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2014/01/29 15:21:20
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hey all. I keep getting told that my Contemptor Mortis is now BS 4 not BS 5. I have Imperial Armor Apoc 2nd edition which says it is BS 5 and can not find any FAQ that nerfs it.,
Can anyone help me find this mythical rule?
I think it may be a confusion with the Mortis Dreadnought (great naming structure forge world!) which is a Dark Angles only unit that is now BS4 but is allot cheaper than the Contemptor Mortis.
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2014/01/29 15:39:34
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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The newest IA Apocalypse.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/01/29 15:43:03
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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IA2, Second is the new publication.
OP, Make sure you have your Book, and you should print out the FAQ from Forge world's Downloads page(on their website) to prove it has not been changed.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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2014/01/29 15:48:18
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 Kommissar Kel wrote:
IA2, Second is the new publication.
OP, Make sure you have your Book, and you should print out the FAQ from Forge world's Downloads page(on their website) to prove it has not been changed.
Kk, he has IAA 2nd ed, which is out of date due to the release of IAA. I'm unaware if IA2 2nd ed has the rules, if it does it most likely would be the same as the latest IAA.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/01/29 15:48:49
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thanks. It is very hard to prove a negative. I have IA second edition, and I have FAQ, but because I can't find the so called nerf (a mistake which BOLS has repeated in there recent article on FW units). I keep getting challenged in games.
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2014/01/29 15:52:28
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Shortly after GW released the new Apocalypse rules, FW re-released IA Apocalypse. Per the latest IA Apocalypse, the Mortis is BS4. If IA2 second ed changed it back to BS5, then I am unaware of the change.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/01/29 15:58:35
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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HAppy are you 100% sure we are talking about the Contemtpor Mortis as opposed to the regluar Mortis dreadnought? The reg Mortis is BS4, it is also 50pts cheaper than a Contemptor.
Imperial Armor Apoc 2nd edition def has the Contemptor at BS5.
FW really needs to work on there naming structure.
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2014/01/29 16:02:33
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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The Hive Mind
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Adepticon has Imperial Armour Vol. 2 - 2nd Edition listed as the most current rules.
Awesomely, for both the Mortis Contemptor Dread and the Cont. Mortis.
Just wanted to make sure everyone's looking at the right set of rules - with FW it's difficult to know which book is most current.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2014/01/29 16:04:54
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I am looking at IA Apocalypse right now. SM Contemptor-Mortis Patten Dreadnought, points 155, BS4.
Automatically Appended Next Post: rigeld2 wrote:Adepticon has Imperial Armour Vol. 2 - 2nd Edition listed as the most current rules.
Awesomely, for both the Mortis Contemptor Dread and the Cont. Mortis.
Just wanted to make sure everyone's looking at the right set of rules - with FW it's difficult to know which book is most current.
I realize that IA2 (2nd ed) is more recent. What I don't know (since I don't own it) is if that stats changed (again) for the mortis or contrmptor-mortis.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/01/29 16:08:34
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/01/29 16:09:40
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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The Hive Mind
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Which is outdated and superceded by IA2:2nd.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2014/01/29 16:15:41
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Did FW change the stats from IA Apocalypse, or ate they the same in IA2? That's the question. The OP mentioned IA Apocalypse second ed, which is out-dated.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/01/29 16:19:26
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Jesus these names give me a head ache....
IA Apoc2 2nd edition was published in 2013, what is more recent?
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2014/01/29 16:28:39
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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The Hive Mind
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 Happyjew wrote:Did FW change the stats from IA Apocalypse, or ate they the same in IA2? That's the question. The OP mentioned IA Apocalypse second ed, which is out-dated.
He mentioned stats from IA*2* 2nd ed. Which is recent - has LoW stamps and everything.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2014/01/29 16:31:57
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Space Marine Scout with Sniper Rifle
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Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition actually came out in 2011. The only valid one as of now is simply called "Imperial Armour - Apocalypse."
Imperial Armour Apocalypse was released in August 2013 as a replacement to the Second Edition one.
A good way to see this is go on the forge world website. They no longer sell the Second Edition, only the newest book.
And this new book does say that the contemptor-mortis dreadnought is now only BS 4.
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2014/01/29 16:33:24
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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rigeld2 wrote: Happyjew wrote:Did FW change the stats from IA Apocalypse, or ate they the same in IA2? That's the question. The OP mentioned IA Apocalypse second ed, which is out-dated.
He mentioned stats from IA*2* 2nd ed. Which is recent - has LoW stamps and everything.
Re-read his first post. Third sentence, "I have imperial armour apocalypse second edition ".
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/01/29 16:42:35
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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The Hive Mind
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Happyjew wrote:rigeld2 wrote: Happyjew wrote:Did FW change the stats from IA Apocalypse, or ate they the same in IA2? That's the question. The OP mentioned IA Apocalypse second ed, which is out-dated.
He mentioned stats from IA*2* 2nd ed. Which is recent - has LoW stamps and everything.
Re-read his first post. Third sentence, "I have imperial armour apocalypse second edition ".
Sorry. I must've misread.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_VOLUME_TWO_SECOND_EDITION.html is the most recent book with this unit in it (as far as I can tell).
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2014/01/29 16:50:26
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I am also sorry, the naming conventions from Forgworld are wack.
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2014/01/29 22:41:28
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration
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This, more than any other reason, is the real difficulty with FW.
HIWPI:
As long as the title of the book that I show up with is the latest version then I go with those rules. I don't care if that same unit happens to show up in a different FW book, with potentially different rules.
If I'm playing someone who happens to have a differently titled book with the same unit on the board, then he uses his rules and I use mine. To me, doing otherwise, leads to insanity.
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2014/01/30 07:22:55
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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This is a snippet from the newest book, points values removed.
(If this is not a cool thing to do, let me know and I'll make it go away)
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2014/01/30 08:16:25
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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FFS, it is different than in the new FW Apoc book, this is ridiculous. Units in FW books might be outdated in few months, and there is actually no way to tell that it has happened, unless you buy the new book. People say that codices are expensive, but at least when you buy one, you'll know it is good for a whole edition.
PS. Aeronautica: 155p BS5, Apoc: 155p BS4, IA2: 175p BS4. So they first nerfed the BS in one book, then in the next book raised the point cost. Was that that really necessary?
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2014/01/31 02:29:43
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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FYI, for Adepticon we tend to keep a spreadsheet running of where all the latest rules for each IA unit is found. Naturally this doesn't get updated throughout the year, but it is still a good resource most of the time. You can find the latest iteration here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/576754.page
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2014/01/31 03:44:45
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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You can also email FW directly ad they can tell you what book has the most up to date info on their models
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2014/01/31 15:09:28
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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Yeah its in the new IAA(2013), pg20. Exact same as in the snippet above but its 20pts cheaper.
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2014/01/31 15:28:13
Subject: Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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kryczek wrote:Yeah its in the new IAA(2013), pg20. Exact same as in the snippet above but its 20pts cheaper.
That is not the most recent Book.
Volume 2 second edition is.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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2014/01/31 15:36:28
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Using Inks and Washes
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Which book exactly is that from, Mulletdude?
If it's not from IA V.2 2nd Ed, that is not the most recent book.
edit:
I do happen to have Horus Heresy book 2 and they are listed with wildly different stats than what you've got there. I realize it's a different book and all, but all the other Horus Heresy vehicles, at least, are point for point with their 40k equivalents if they happen to have any.
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2014/01/31 20:48:36
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Beast of Nurgle
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""If it's not from IA V.2 2nd Ed, that is not the most recent book.""
The above is wrong.
The most current apoc book forgeworld offers is this one, released august 9th of last year. the ia v2 2nd edition is much older than this.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_APOCALYPSE.html
That book is the only one they sell anymore, that book contains the mortis contemptor, and that book has the mortis as bs4. ( i have it right in front of me and am looking right at the mortis page.)
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2014/01/31 21:01:18
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Kelne
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Are you really saying that a book whose preview came out in august is newer than one which was teased in november?
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2014/01/31 21:01:25
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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Imperial Armour Volume 2 2nd Edition is the most recent, it's still on the new release page: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff
According to FW Newsletter #374 it was first available to pre-order at a FW WHW event on the 23rd of November.
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2014/01/31 21:03:27
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Rakear wrote:""If it's not from IA V.2 2nd Ed, that is not the most recent book."" The above is wrong.
You are wrong. Linky <--- Everyone should bookmark this if you use FW. Scroll to bottom. Imperial Armour Volume Two Second Edition - War Machiens of the Adeptus Astartes December 2013 Imperial Armour Apocalypse August 2013
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2014/01/31 21:14:33
Subject: Re:Please help me find the FAQ that nerfs the Mortis Contemptor Dread down to BS4.
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Beast of Nurgle
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My mistake, I responded thinking the abbreviation mean the revised imperial armour apocalypse book, in which case i was correct.
I now see the abbreviation is not finished and had it included the warmachines of the adeptus bit i would have been clearer to me that that was the book being referred to.
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