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I tell you about some shocked incident , what happened in Poland some time ago.
On Red Goblin Torment , two players have fight between them , the situation is difficult because is not first action of bought , and some boy was in center . The organizer is seeing everyone ,that he is ok ,but witness is telling some different stories.
In wary short cut , they have got wary stressful game , one of them irritate the second . The judgment have got many work whit them. In critical moment second stared throwing objects < temple, discs, maybe models> in that first , he allow start throwing some objects. When the ammunition was end , second jump on the table and he wont to hit that first . He miss , throw anadem table , all sow many people say that hit the boy . Rest of people separate them , but the judge and organizator see ,first time they must levee the event , but second when they come down they can stay .
Whole Polish RPG society is shocked about this situation because . First one is complete idiot and irritated others, second is to mooch aggressive then other people , they probably hurt a child . The organizer was incompetent, end punishment is to low only reprimanded from Polish Judgments Lig ,not suspends for rest of torments season .
I have question about it , what are you think about this situation. That thing are happened on rest of world or not. What will be most right punishment for them for that beehive .
Sorry for my grammar end interruption.
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I find the Polish wargaming scene to be particularly intense. The best 'everything' comes out of Poland, as a result its members are more hardcore than most, it seems.
"Red Viper" wrote:So the fight in the first post was over a rules interpretation?
There is a different situation from another tournament , such a thing happen more often at rallies.
From what I know, it's pretty common behavior of tournament players in Poland, they really want to win, the ranking of the players, etc.
Total Idiots
Deliberitus886 wrote: second jump on the table and he wont to hit that first . He miss , throw anadem table , all sow many people say that hit the boy . Rest of people separate them , but the judge and organizator see ,first time they must levee the event , but second when they come down they can stay
This sounds awesome and in fact is ideally how all rules related questions should be resolved.
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We are in a hobby that is about imaginary war, with toy soldiers, dice and awkward rules. It's a funky game that involves nothing physical. This is no sport, no physical hassle. We have no tackles, collision, shoulder to shoulder confrontations etc... unlike in football (american or soccer), and I do not even speak about tough men sports like Rugby. Slapping at your opponent in wargaming (or other social games) is beyond me. This is a shame. And in the view of TV on top of that. The disgrace for everyone.
My Polish is quite rusty, but the people and organizers don't seem to pay much attention to the incident. Tournament is viewed as a success...
What would I have done if it had arrived in the tournament I organize ?
I would have ousted them, quick and with roaring. Then their names would be written on a banishing list in my club, for lifetime (or at least many years). Such a serious incident would be reported on the main WHFB - WH40k forums in the event debriefing thread. The incident would be communicated to all the tournament organizers I happen to know. And believe me, this is a pretty small community, many tournament organizers know each other, so the ban list thing would absolutely not be an isolated action. You just cannot let violence rotting wargaming events, or you are screwed.
In my country, some organizers had banned people for much less than that. Granted, tournament scene is pretty calm and moslty respectful in my country. I had never heard of such a trouble.
Yea, that kind of behavior has no place at the tables. Get them up and get them out. Make sure they don't come back. I've never been threatened with bodily harm and a tourney or con, but have been berated. In my mind, that doesn't belong either, but you can't really legislate class.
I'm pretty sure it's against forum rules to post videos of gay porn. Although it might not be f the video is just the preamble I guess. Lucky for you the video ends before the makeout session and the oils come out.
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"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
So it happens that I'm Polish and I know the situation very well.
First of all, I'd like to point out that Deliberitus886 is a notorious Polish forum troll, who is currently banned from most of the biggest forums (both 40k and fantasy).
He started similar threads on DakkaDakka and Warseer (on the latter the thread is already closed). The reason he did it remains unknown to anyone but him, unfortunately. We, the Polish players, are deeply disgusted with the fact someone would make the effort to publicly ruin our reputation. We firmly believe this twisted individual is simply seeking attention by publishing untrue information. Here (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357158.page?userfilterid=38682) is another flame-thread he started and you can read a post by the admin of the biggest Polish forum asking everyone to ignore Deliberitus.
Before I get to the whole fight thing, I'd like to inform everyone that the video of the punch, embedded above, is indeed from a Polish Master tournament, YET it was a friendly punch - the two guys had a bet and the winner would be allowed to punch the loser in the face. End of story. Everything happened in a cheerful atmosphere, there was no violence nor hostility involved. The whole event was recorded for laughs, nobody ever thought anyone would use it to try to support his hateful propaganda.
About the fight... Let's focus on the facts. There was no fight. What actually happened is that one of the guys kept provoking the other verbally by making a number of sarcastic and offensive comments after the dice rolls saved him from losing 0-20 (finally it finished 7-13). The provoking player has a very bad reputation overall, he is widely regarded as a an unpleasant opponent (cheating on rules, cheating on movements, cheating on roster, stalling). The other guy, on the other hand, is an impetuous person, although completely polite and generally OK (and yes, I know them both personally).
So, the latter could not stand offensive comments from the former and tossed a LoS template at him. The first guy did not take a clue and instead of toning-down, he tossed a tape measure at the winner. So, the impetuous guy sort of lost it and rushed towards the offending guy with his fists. Fortunately, he was immediately stopped by another player who was standing next to him. There was only ONE punch exchanged and in fact, it was the guy who kept provoking the other who threw the punch (while the rushing forward guy was being held by the interfering person - judge it for yourself).
There was nobody hurt in the incident, the only thing that happened besides the aforementioned punch was that in the tumult one of the gaming tables got a bit flipped and some models were damaged. As a redress, the owner of the damaged models received the winner's prize so he could buy the models back.
Both the players involved received an ultimate warning regarding the 'fight'. Any similar offence in the future will be punished by a life-long tournament ban at that venue.
We, the Polish players, are deeply ashamed it happened and we know it does not show us in favorable light. We are sorry that some ego-centric, attention-seeking troll would publish distorted account of the whole incident. We hope the thread is going to be locked and edited not to display information that is harmful to the image of the whole Polish Warhammer Community.
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Jasif wrote:He started similar threads on DakkaDakka and Warseer (on the latter the thread is already closed). The reason he did it remains unknown to anyone but him, unfortunately. We, the Polish players, are deeply disgusted with the fact someone would make the effort to publicly ruin our reputation. We firmly believe this twisted individual is simply seeking attention by publishing untrue information. Here (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357158.page?userfilterid=38682) is another flame-thread he started and you can read a post by the admin of the biggest Polish forum asking everyone to ignore Deliberitus.
I have to be ignored because i told the truth, could it be censorship.
Sometimes I have the impression that Poland is a country ruled by the post-communists. This also applies to the Polish forums, except that that the forums every opponent power is called a troll .
Jasif wrote:About the fight... Let's focus on the facts. There was no fight. What actually happened is that one of the guys kept provoking the other verbally by making a number of sarcastic and offensive comments after the dice rolls saved him from losing 0-20 (finally it finished 7-13). The provoking player has a very bad reputation overall, he is widely regarded as a an unpleasant opponent (cheating on rules, cheating on movements, cheating on roster, stalling). The other guy, on the other hand, is an impetuous person, although completely polite and generally OK (and yes, I know them both personally).
So, the latter could not stand offensive comments from the former and tossed a LoS template at him. The first guy did not take a clue and instead of toning-down, he tossed a tape measure at the winner. So, the impetuous guy sort of lost it and rushed towards the offending guy with his fists. Fortunately, he was immediately stopped by another player who was standing next to him. There was only ONE punch exchanged and in fact, it was the guy who kept provoking the other who threw the punch (while the rushing forward guy was being held by the interfering person - judge it for yourself).
That's a lie .
People write different things about it and are outraged..No I'm just about Wargaming society, but almost all RPGs in Poland.
Spawn wrote:Laik won.
Butane second guess.
NSS was not. He was the discus throw, Shot Put and jumping hurdles
Andrzej wrote:In Laika joined the real frenzy, I've never seen anyone with such hatred in his eyes. He threw me closer to an unidentified object (I thought at first that it was his cell phone, I found out later that it was, ironically, one of the things to measure losa distributed on Bilaticonie) Without thinking threw it to him. Then in my side flew scoop, and when I opened the front of her corner of my eye I saw Laika properly into place on the table and throwing at me with his fists! I was able to bounce back, and layman finally landed on the table next, rolling it and throwing all the figures from the table, among other things belonging to the youngest player in the tournament, Kamil. Fortunately, there were a lot of people around, so I managed to restrain him and pull away from me.
RedScorpion wrote:people are in your head does not fit, you can even skip the question of who started it, but it has to be a hobby. From your description more closely resembles the Ukrainian parliament.
Andrzej wrote:I did not add also that I received from him a kick in the thigh, and as I just found out from jenego with świadkó threw at me I'm not the fate of bilaticonu and some of the gnome and threw him not losa, and scoop. Still some details that radically alter the fact that the layman lunged at me across the table, destroying figurines belonging to a total of 4 players, and he initiated all acts of verbal and physical aggression? Oh, and I forgot! Before we jumped on the table stood on a chair, and the ruler is not ducked, but turned back.
Heretic<org> wrote:
Andrew was a very unpleasant situation . I decided first to throw Laika . I changed my mind for a different reason . I do not know where in your application that did not throw Tom out of the tournament to rescue the turnout next tournament . Any normal person would not have to blame me for it , along with Laikeim , so not sure attendance would suffer . I did it because I have uploaded layman 's tournament and gave the entire prize to the person destroyed the figures . I talked today with the boy , and said that the amount of Laika was satisfactory for him in the sense powetowania losses. That's why I changed my mind .
I am very sorry that a person with my club defamed me publicly and properly insults . Describing me as a person incompetent . I do not even know that it was I was the person who grabbed and pulled Laika from you , in his rage , when jumping on the tables , not massacred you face. Which means that rather I have eggs . " Firmly kept his composure and decisions changed for the reasons given above . Believe that I did well in spite of the fact that it put me in the light of those inconsistent in relation to the provision in the rules that I created . most important for me that the young boy has the money paid for figsy that he destroyed
Durin wrote:
Andrew that hit in the face of a guy who was kept is weak not only battlowo<wargammers>, but also in life.
Assessment of the behavior of these people belong to waw. The fact is that many people in Poland do not attend Inns by such behavior. And why this is happening because their guys organizers tolerate it.
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Since you, mr Delibertius, fight for a better world (because if you wouldn’t why would mods close your similar threads on Warseer and on Warhammer.org) I thought I may help you spamming… erm, I meant saving the world of course, so I translated your story to French and some Arabian language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Ti8-KiTBs#t=5s If I were you, I would use the translation asap, because not only this matter can not wait, but this topic will get closed soon and I bet French are dying to know about your story.
Yours sincerely, Marks
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Marks wrote:Since you, mr Delibertius, fight for a better world (because if you wouldn’t why would mods close your similar threads on Warseer and on Warhammer.org) I thought I may help you spamming… erm, I meant saving the world of course, so I translated your story to French and some Arabian language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Ti8-KiTBs#t=5s If I were you, I would use the translation asap, because not only this matter can not wait, but this topic will get closed soon and I bet French are dying to know about your story.
Yours sincerely, Marks
In fact , yes., But they did something worse than closing the topic they censored it by deleting all posts of users. Also all critical opinions, does not exist.
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This thread is being locked to cool things down, and also assess the intent and actions of the posters involved... Do not start any similar threads for the time being please Deliberitus886.
Another fight 
, such a thing happen more often at rallies.
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