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Hi. I've done a Chaos codex revision but I wanted to try making a fluff 'dex that I think will be much easier to use than a codex revision. But the whole point is to make this both easy to use and fair to use. I can't do that on my own though I think I've made a good start. A lot of these designs are my originals but not all. Feedback is wanted and welcome. Here's what I have so far as it is far from completion. And feel free to post your own ideas too!



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Eliphas the Inheritor 130

Eliphas the Inheritor WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv3+

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit composition: 1 (Unique)

Wargear: Power Sword, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Bolt Pistol

Special Rules: Champion of Chaos, Crusader, Furious Charge, Mark of Khorne, Veterans of the Long War, Zealot, Fearless, Independent Character

Inheritor: When Eliphas kills an opponent's character instead of rolling on the Chaos Boon table you may roll a D6 on the Inheritor table. If you roll a result you previously rolled on the Inheritor table nothing happens.

Inheritor Table
1: Pitiful: Nothing
2: Sigil of the Crusader: Eliphas’s attack characteristic is increased by one
3: Rageful Aura: Eliphas and his unit have the Hatred (Universal) special rule
4: Melta Pistol: Eliphas replaces his bolt pistol with a Melta Pistol
5: One Thousand Years of Torment: Eliphas has the Feel No Pain (6+) special rule
6: Daemon Armour: Eliphas has a 5+ invulnerable save



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Kharne the Betrayer 200 points

Kharne the Betrayer WS7 BS5 S5 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

Wargear: Gorechild, Artificer Amour, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Flamer, Aura of Dark Glory

Special Rules: Mark of Khorne, It Will Not Die, Champion of Chaos, Blessing of the Blood God, Fearless, Furious Charge, Hatred (Universal), Independent Character, Veterans of the Long War, The Betrayer



HQ:
Combat Servitors: 75 points
For every Warpsmith you have in your army you made add one Combat Servitor squad these do not take up a slot in your organization chart.

WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv4+

Combat Servitors.....................................................................................................................................................................................75pts
You may include one unit of Combat Servitors for every Warpsmith in your army.

Unit Composition:
- 5 Combat servitors

Unit Type:
- Infantry

Wargear
- Chain Tendrils

Special Rules
-Berserk Mindlock
-Fleet
-Furious Charge
-Self-destruct

Berserk Mindlock:
A unit of Combat Servitors must test for Berserk Mindlock at the start of each friendly turn. Roll a D6 for each unit of Combat Servitors. If the result is a 4+ the test is passed and the unit can function normally for the remainder of the turn. If the result is a 1-3 then the unit of Combat servitors have Succumbed to Berserk Mindlock - The unit (and any character in the unit) must move and assault the closest enemy unit (and any characters must move and assault the closest enemy unit (unless there are any special rules that have been bestowed on the unit that specifies that the unit cannot perform the Berserk Mindlock, such as an effect of a psychic power for example). A combat servitor unit does not make a Berserk Mindlock test if the unit is pinned or falling back. If a unit of Combat Servitors rally, then they must take the Rally test before making a Berserk Mindlock test.

Self-Destruct:
In the main-fight sub phase any number combat servitors may declare that they are going to declare a Self-Destruct rule, place a small blast template over the combat servitor, all models (friend and foe) under the small blast template suffer a Str 3 AP - hit, after casualty's have been resolved remove the Combat servitor without any types saves allowed (or any other clever way you can think of keeping him on the table). If all friendly Warpsmiths that the owning player controls have been removed from the table however, then all friendly Combat Servitors lose the Self-Destruct rule.

Chain Tendrils:
A model equipped with chain Tendrils gain +2 attacks in combat.

Bind the machine!
If a Warpsmith is with a squad of Combat Servitors as he is about to repair a vehicle using the Master of Mechanisms rule, then the Warpsmith gets an additional +1 to add to his repair roll for every 5 Combat Servitors in the unit.

Options:

May include up to 5 additional Combat Servitors:.....15pts/model

The unit may take one following Marks of Chaos:

Mark of Khorne:....4pts/model
Mark of Tzeench:...5pts/model
Mark of Nurgle:...4pts/Model
Mark of Slannesh:....3pts/model

For every 5 Combat servitors, one Combat Servitor may replace their Chain Tendrils with one of the following:
Meltagun:....................10pts/model
Flamer:........................free/model


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Khorne Berzerkers 120 points

Khorne Berzerker WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld8 Sv3+
Berzerker Champion WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv 3+
Berzerker-Surgeon WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld8 Sv3+

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 4 Khorne Berzerkers, 1 Berzerker Chapmion

Wargear: Power Armour, Chain Sword, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades

Special Rules: Champion of Chaos (Champion only), Crusader, Fearless, Furious Charge, Mark of Khorne, Psycho-Surgery (Berzerker Surgeon only), We Need Enemies

Psycho-Surgery: The Khorne Berzerker unit have the Feel No Pain (6+) special rule.

We Need Enemies: If this unit of Khorne Berzerkers cannot assault in the following assault phase and there is an enemy unit within 18" of this Khorne Berzerker unit this unit must run towards the nearest enemy unit. When this Khorne Berzerker unit run they may shoot in the same shooting phase.

Options: As per codex with following modifications.

The Berzerker Champion may replace his Chain Sword
with a Heavy Chain Sword…………………………………………………2 pts

The Khorne Berzerker Squad may take a Berzerker-Surgeon……………………….30 pts

May add up to 15 Khorne Berzerkers………………………………………...20 pts/model



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Sorcerer Cult 15 pts

Cultist Sorcerer WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv6+/5++

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 3 Cultist Sorcerers

Wargear: Close-Combat Weapon, Auto Pistol, Improvised Armour

Magical Shield: The Cultist Sorcerers have a 6+ invulnerable save.

Special Rules: Brotherhood of Psykers, Mark of Tzeentch

Options:
May add up to 7 Cultist Sorcerers……………………………………………………..5 pts



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Psychic Choir 75 points

Aspiring Sorcerer WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld10 Sv3+ /4++

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 3 Aspiring Sorcerers

Wargear: Power Armour, Force Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Aura of Dark Glory

Special Rules: Brotherhood of Psykers, Veterans of the Long War, Fearless, Mark of Tzeentch

Options:

May add up to 7 Aspiring Sorcerers………………………………………...25 pts/model

May take the Icon of Flame...............................................................................10 pts



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Mortis Metalikus 120 points

Mortis Metalikus WS4 BS4 S6 F13 S12 R10 I4 A3 HP3

Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker)

Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

Wargear: Power Fist, Multi-Melta

Special Rules: Crazed

A Thousand Years of Anger: Mortis Metalikus has the Rage special rule and may reroll his result on the Crazed Table.



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Kranon the Relentless 180 points

Kranon the Relentless WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+/4++

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

Chaos Artefacts: Blade of the Relentless, The Slaughterer's Horns, Daemonheart

Wargear: Plasma Pistol, Sigil of Corruption, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades

Special Rules: Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Independent Character, Mark of Khorne, Relentless, Veterans of the Long War

Thanks for looking and any feedback you've given. Check back every now and then for updates. Thank you.

"WS3BS3S3T3W1I3A1Ld8Sv6+/5++ "
put some spaces in there or something O_o.

I assume the berzerker surgeon gives the squad psycho-surgery?

Doesn't 'butchers nails' refer to the spikes in their brains? doesn't seem like a good name for a weapon.

Overall some good ideas though.

JubbJubbz wrote:
"WS3BS3S3T3W1I3A1Ld8Sv6+/5++ "
put some spaces in there or something O_o.

I assume the berzerker surgeon gives the squad psycho-surgery?

Doesn't 'butchers nails' refer to the spikes in their brains? doesn't seem like a good name for a weapon.

Overall some good ideas though.

Sure thing.

Yeah I should list that.

I've heard a lot about Butcher's nails and ideas for what they do but I always assumed that they were something like sharp brass knuckles.

Butcher's nails is a brain implant, indeed.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Butcher's nails is a brain implant, indeed.

Alright I can re-work that then. Perhaps +1 Toughness? But with FNP (6+) that might be a bit OP unless it's priced kind of high.

Butcher's Nails is something pretty baseline fluffwise for the Eaters.

Just assume the Nails is what gives them WS5.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Butcher's Nails is something pretty baseline fluffwise for the Eaters.

Just assume the Nails is what gives them WS5.

Alright. That's fine too.

Ignore this post.

why have heavy chainsword when they have axes already? If anything, drop the cost on chain axes, and maybe give the champion a USR to ignore unwieldy on power axes only?

Also, how about next on the list we put in rules for CM level lords, and make the dark apostle not terrible. 2am for me, so bedtime!

StarHunter25 wrote:
why have heavy chainsword when they have axes already? If anything, drop the cost on chain axes, and maybe give the champion a USR to ignore unwieldy on power axes only?

Also, how about next on the list we put in rules for CM level lords, and make the dark apostle not terrible. 2am for me, so bedtime!

I suppose I could do that. But against most armies AP 4 is decent. Also I think that the rule to ignore unwieldy should be something for a Unique HQ not a minor champion.

What are CM level lords? I'm guessing you mean Chaos Lords equal to Chapter Masters? As for the Dark Apostle I could come up with something for him. Certainly lower his price.

The AP4 thing is just weird. It mostly boosts the berzerkers abilities against units that are already not very durable in cc. Berzerkers don't really need any additional help in that area. My issues with berzerkers has been sending them against units that aren't just fodder. If you throw them at tacticals you are really relying on that first round of combat with charge bonuses. If that round doesn't go very well you're stuck in combat for awhile and without much bonus over the tacticals. Now, you've given them base 2 attacks which goes a long way to remedying this imo. I would love an option for chain axes but ap3 is too powerful and ap4 doesn't really help. Maybe something like worsen armor save by 1? That would be an option that would useful vs all armies (instead of just half the armies like ap4) but im not sure on points cost.

I like the surgeon as an option but a 6+ fnp seems like a pretty hail mary option to me. Its one of those options that either be worth its points or not and thus always taken or never taken.

We need enemies is pretty fluffy but I feel it hurts the unit more than it seems at first. They will often be running in odd directions, out of cover, etc. Perhaps limit it somehow such as only if enemy unit is in 18" or if they fail a test or something. Also if you wanted to work the 'Butcher's Nails' phrase in this would be the place to do it since they are the brain implants that make the zerks go zerker.

One addtional point is that they may be undercosted but you'd have to test em out. We're talking 5 WS5 S6 attacks on the charge per dude. That is absolutely brutal for 20 points.

As for the Dark the apostle he's pretty cheap for an HQ already I think his support abilities just need to be a bit better.

Thats my 2c

JubbJubbz wrote:
The AP4 thing is just weird. It mostly boosts the berzerkers abilities against units that are already not very durable in cc. Berzerkers don't really need any additional help in that area. My issues with berzerkers has been sending them against units that aren't just fodder. If you throw them at tacticals you are really relying on that first round of combat with charge bonuses. If that round doesn't go very well you're stuck in combat for awhile and without much bonus over the tacticals. Now, you've given them base 2 attacks which goes a long way to remedying this imo. I would love an option for chain axes but ap3 is too powerful and ap4 doesn't really help. Maybe something like worsen armor save by 1? That would be an option that would useful vs all armies (instead of just half the armies like ap4) but im not sure on points cost.

I like the surgeon as an option but a 6+ fnp seems like a pretty hail mary option to me. Its one of those options that either be worth its points or not and thus always taken or never taken.

We need enemies is pretty fluffy but I feel it hurts the unit more than it seems at first. They will often be running in odd directions, out of cover, etc. Perhaps limit it somehow such as only if enemy unit is in 18" or if they fail a test or something. Also if you wanted to work the 'Butcher's Nails' phrase in this would be the place to do it since they are the brain implants that make the zerks go zerker.

One addtional point is that they may be undercosted but you'd have to test em out. We're talking 5 WS5 S6 attacks on the charge per dude. That is absolutely brutal for 20 points.

As for the Dark the apostle he's pretty cheap for an HQ already I think his support abilities just need to be a bit better.

Thats my 2c

Agreed. AP 4 is not good enough against space marines and others like them. But something that makes saves worse seems a little OP as well.

True. If you have any ideas to perhaps make the surgeon a better option I'm all ears but for the moment he is there to help address the longevity issues that often pop up with Khorne.

Perhaps. Yes I would have to run some tests.

Yes that would be a little more fun. perhaps 12" though? When you consider that on the normal Dawn of War table set-up that there is only 24" apart 18" is not that large.

I suppose but there is little we can do fluff wise. I do have a power "Incite Riot" I came up with.

Incite Riot: If at the beginning of the fight sub-phase this Dark Apostle is in a Cultist Squad and they are locked in combat The Cultist Squad to riot. All Cultists receive an additional attack. At the end of the fight sub-phase the Cultist Squad must take a number of S2 AP- hits equal to the amount of wounds dealt by the Cultist Squad.

S=5 is a bit much for the Khorne Zerks. By that logic Nobz should also be just as good. A average Nob could take a average Zerker most days

 Overlord Thraka wrote:
S=5 is a bit much for the Khorne Zerks. By that logic Nobz should also be just as good. A average Nob could take a average Zerker most days

Gamewise, certainly, a Nob takes a Zerker.

Fluffwise, that is extremely debatable and definitely not something you should put forward as some kind of objective fact.

Also, Khârn is S5.

Ignore this post. Quoted instead of edited.

EDIT: This is Marrowick. Overlord Thraka and I live in the same house and I forgot to sign in as myself. Sorry about that.

I've got a few new designs. Here they are.

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Psychic Choir 75 points

Aspiring Sorcerer WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld10 Sv3+ /4++

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 3 Aspiring Sorcerers

Wargear: Power Armour, Force Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Aura of Dark Glory

Special Rules: Brotherhood of Psykers, Veterans of the Long War, Fearless, Mark of Tzeentch

Options:

May add up to 7 Aspiring Sorcerers………………………………………...25 pts/model

May take the Icon of Flame...............................................................................10 pts



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Mortis Metalikus 125 points

Khorne Berzerker WS4 BS4 S6 F13 S12 R10 I4 A3 HP3

Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker)

Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

Wargear: Power Fist, Multi-Melta

Special Rules: Crazed

A Thousand Years of Anger: Mortis Metalikus has the Rage special rule and may reroll his result on the Crazed Table.



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Kranon the Relentless 190 points

Khorne Berzerker WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+/4++

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

Chaos Artefacts: Blade of the Relentless, The Slaughterer's Horns, Daemonheart

Wargear: Plasma Pistol, Sigil of Corruption, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades

Special Rules: Champion of Chaos (Champion only), Fearless, Independent Character, Mark of Khorne, Relentless, Veterans of the Long War


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Whoops

As stated above I'm really sorry about that. It won't happen again.

in 3.5 Ed book Kharn had a 2+ FnP 4+, Eternal Warrior, Gorechild, talisman of burning blood( reroll on the blood frenzy" simili-fleet"), Khorne's rage(+D3 A), 4 Wounds and a Collar( Blessing of the BG).

...For 180pts.

So for 200+pts you can give him EW and FnP i think.

Also the we need ennemies rule for zerkers is kinda, not working...

They have to run, they can run and shoot..., but then they can't assault...

So i think its best to make them move towards the closest ennemy unit, and assault if they can ennemy units in a 12"radius.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
in 3.5 Ed book Kharn had a 2+ FnP 4+, Eternal Warrior, Gorechild, talisman of burning blood( reroll on the blood frenzy" simili-fleet"), Khorne's rage(+D3 A), 4 Wounds and a Collar( Blessing of the BG).

...For 180pts.

So for 200+pts you can give him EW and FnP i think.

Also the we need ennemies rule for zerkers is kinda, not working...

They have to run, they can run and shoot..., but then they can't assault...

So i think its best to make them move towards the closest ennemy unit, and assault if they can ennemy units in a 12"radius.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
in 3.5 Ed book Kharn had a 2+ FnP 4+, Eternal Warrior, Gorechild, talisman of burning blood( reroll on the blood frenzy" simili-fleet"), Khorne's rage(+D3 A), 4 Wounds and a Collar( Blessing of the BG).

...For 180pts.

So for 200+pts you can give him EW and FnP i think.

Also the we need ennemies rule for zerkers is kinda, not working...

They have to run, they can run and shoot..., but then they can't assault...

So i think its best to make them move towards the closest ennemy unit, and assault if they can ennemy units in a 12"radius.

I feel a tad uneasy doing that on the advice of just one person.

Perhaps. I suppose we can get rid of it.

P.S. As to the above that as me again.

Here's a couple more designs.

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Zhufor the Impaler 185 points

Zhufor the Impaler WS7 BS5 S5 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+/5++

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

Chaos Artefacts:

Claw of Demnos: The Claw of Demnos is a Powerfist that Incorporates a Combi-Bolter.

Wargear: Terminator Armour, Power Axe

Special Rules: Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Independent Character, Mark of Khorne, Eternal Warrior, Veterans of the Long War



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Revellion 165 points

Revellion WS8 BS0 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv3+/5++

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

Wargear: Chainsword x2, Power Armour

Special Rules: Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Independent Character, Mark of Khorne, Rampage, Veterans of the Long War, Aura of Dark Glory

All Shall Die!: If at the end of your shooting phase Revellion cannot charge an enemy unit and is within 12" of a friendly Unit you must roll a D6. If you roll a one all units are treated as enemy units for the following assault phase and Revellion must charge an enemy unit.

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Possessed 110 points

Possessed WS4 BS4 S5 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+/5++
Possessed Champion WS4 BS4 S5 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+/5++

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 4 Possessed, 1 Possessed Champion

Wargear: Power Armour, CCW

Special Rules: Fearless, Daemon, Fleet, Champion of Chaos (Champion only), Slaves to the Voices

Options: As per codex with following modification

May add up to 15 Possessed………………………………………...25 pts/model



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Chosen 90 points

Chosen WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+
Chosen Champion WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 4 Chosen, 1 Chosen Champion

Wargear: Power Armour, CCW, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Frag & Krak Grenades

Special Rules: Champion of Chaos (Champion only), Veterans of the Long War

Options: As per codex with following modifications

Up to four models may replace their bolter with one of the following

Flamer 5pts
Meltagun 10pts
Plasmagun 15pts
TL Flamer 10pts
TL Meltagun 15pts
TL Plasmagun 20pts



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Lesser Daemons 40 points

Lesser Daemon WS4 BS0 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld10 Sv-

Unit Type: Infantry

Unit Composition: 5 Lesser Daemons

Wargear: CCW

Special Rules: Veterans of the Long War, Deep Strike, Daemon, Fearless, Fleet

Options:

May add up to 15 Lesser Daemons………………………………………...8 pts/model

The unit may take one of the following Marks of Chaos:

Slaneesh 3pts
Khorne 3pts
Nurgle 3pts
Tzeentch 4pts

One model in the unit may purchase one of the following Chaos Icons:

Icon of Flame 10pts
Icon of Despair 5pts
Icon of Vengeance 5pts
Icon of Excess 30pts
Icon of Wrath 10