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So I'm getting back into 40k and putting together an Eldar army. I was wondering what is the general opinion on Eldar Wraithseers?
I used to run a tau army and used some of the forge world stuff from there such as the tetra's and some of the gun turrets. I really like the
Wraithseer model and running an Iyanden army i think they would fit fluff wise. Just looking for thoughts on whether or not they are really viable as an HQ
choice.

Here is the think to the rules and model

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Eldar/ELDAR-WRAITHSEER.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/w/wraithseer.pdf

All thoughts and advice are welcome

Those rules are well and truly out of date, so you'll need a copy of IA: Apocalypse if you want to use him.

The Wraithseer is pretty much a must have if you really want a flavorful Iyanden army. It's a good enough model on it's own merits, with a beefy statline, fairly reasonable price, and good options, but being an Eldar psyker (so far the best in the game, my other armies only wish they had powers that good without digging into the BRB) with a wraithlord+ statline and the benefits it gives to wraith units is what sells it.

I'd highly recommend running one, not only because it's a good and flavorful unit, but also because it looks really, really cool.

Hornets are also excellent skimmers, Shadow Spectres are rather iffy and gimmicky units that fill a role your army doesn't need much more of (MEQ, Monstrous creature, and TEQ killing), the Nightwing is great, and the FW grav-tank variations are all very specialized.

Overall the Eldar get a healthy amount of love and respect from FW and is reasonably likely to get more units from outside the codex.

The FW Eldar units aren't war winners, but all of them can have a place in your army. Yes, even the Shadow Spectres.

Chrysis wrote:
Those rules are well and truly out of date, so you'll need a copy of IA: Apocalypse if you want to use him.

Thank you. I just google'd Wraithseer rules and that was the first thing that came up, I'll swing by my hobby shop tomorrow and pick up a copy of the IA book.


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 Kain wrote:
The Wraithseer is pretty much a must have if you really want a flavorful Iyanden army. It's a good enough model on it's own merits, with a beefy statline, fairly reasonable price, and good options, but being an Eldar psyker (so far the best in the game, my other armies only wish they had powers that good without digging into the BRB) with a wraithlord+ statline and the benefits it gives to wraith units is what sells it.

I'd highly recommend running one, not only because it's a good and flavorful unit, but also because it looks really, really cool.

Hornets are also excellent skimmers, Shadow Spectres are rather iffy and gimmicky units that fill a role your army doesn't need much more of (MEQ, Monstrous creature, and TEQ killing), the Nightwing is great, and the FW grav-tank variations are all very specialized.

Overall the Eldar get a healthy amount of love and respect from FW and is reasonably likely to get more units from outside the codex.

The FW Eldar units aren't war winners, but all of them can have a place in your army. Yes, even the Shadow Spectres.

Ty very much, I'll look into picking up a couple. The main reason i asked is because the model looks so bad ass! Glad to see its not a waste of points (im still fairly new to Eldar and don't quite have a grasp on whats good and whats not yet.)
Another quick question if you dont mind. Whats the difference between the codex wave serpents and the Type 2 wave serpents

 Guilldog wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
Those rules are well and truly out of date, so you'll need a copy of IA: Apocalypse if you want to use him.

Thank you. I just google'd Wraithseer rules and that was the first thing that came up, I'll swing by my hobby shop tomorrow and pick up a copy of the IA book.

Your hobby shop stocks Forge World? Lucky.

If you do, make sure it's the one with the Chaos Reaver Titan on the front. This is the second book from Forge World entitled IA: Apocalypse, the first was for the original Apocalypse release and so won't help you much.

The difference is solely in the looks. Specifically the rear fins and turret style.

 Guilldog wrote:

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 Kain wrote:
The Wraithseer is pretty much a must have if you really want a flavorful Iyanden army. It's a good enough model on it's own merits, with a beefy statline, fairly reasonable price, and good options, but being an Eldar psyker (so far the best in the game, my other armies only wish they had powers that good without digging into the BRB) with a wraithlord+ statline and the benefits it gives to wraith units is what sells it.

I'd highly recommend running one, not only because it's a good and flavorful unit, but also because it looks really, really cool.

Hornets are also excellent skimmers, Shadow Spectres are rather iffy and gimmicky units that fill a role your army doesn't need much more of (MEQ, Monstrous creature, and TEQ killing), the Nightwing is great, and the FW grav-tank variations are all very specialized.

Overall the Eldar get a healthy amount of love and respect from FW and is reasonably likely to get more units from outside the codex.

The FW Eldar units aren't war winners, but all of them can have a place in your army. Yes, even the Shadow Spectres.

Ty very much, I'll look into picking up a couple. The main reason i asked is because the model looks so bad ass! Glad to see its not a waste of points (im still fairly new to Eldar and don't quite have a grasp on whats good and whats not yet.)
Another quick question if you dont mind. Whats the difference between the codex wave serpents and the Type 2 wave serpents

The Craftworld Eldar are overall a very good army with a good selection of allies who mesh really well with them, good internal balance, perhaps the best usage of psykers in the game (the only thing they're missing is biomancy access) with only Tzeentch daemons and the Grey Knights offering any serious competition, and great special rules. The top rung of armies are generally agreed to be the Tau, Eldar, Daemons, and Necrons and there is a damn good reason for that.

As for the wave serpents, the same difference between the Deimos Pattern Predator and the regular Predator, it's aesthetic.

Chrysis wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
Those rules are well and truly out of date, so you'll need a copy of IA: Apocalypse if you want to use him.

Thank you. I just google'd Wraithseer rules and that was the first thing that came up, I'll swing by my hobby shop tomorrow and pick up a copy of the IA book.

Your hobby shop stocks Forge World? Lucky.

If you do, make sure it's the one with the Chaos Reaver Titan on the front. This is the second book from Forge World entitled IA: Apocalypse, the first was for the original Apocalypse release and so won't help you much.

The difference is solely in the looks. Specifically the rear fins and turret style.

I think they have the books but if you want the models you have to ask them and they order them for you.


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 Kain wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

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 Kain wrote:
The Wraithseer is pretty much a must have if you really want a flavorful Iyanden army. It's a good enough model on it's own merits, with a beefy statline, fairly reasonable price, and good options, but being an Eldar psyker (so far the best in the game, my other armies only wish they had powers that good without digging into the BRB) with a wraithlord+ statline and the benefits it gives to wraith units is what sells it.

I'd highly recommend running one, not only because it's a good and flavorful unit, but also because it looks really, really cool.

Hornets are also excellent skimmers, Shadow Spectres are rather iffy and gimmicky units that fill a role your army doesn't need much more of (MEQ, Monstrous creature, and TEQ killing), the Nightwing is great, and the FW grav-tank variations are all very specialized.

Overall the Eldar get a healthy amount of love and respect from FW and is reasonably likely to get more units from outside the codex.

The FW Eldar units aren't war winners, but all of them can have a place in your army. Yes, even the Shadow Spectres.

Ty very much, I'll look into picking up a couple. The main reason i asked is because the model looks so bad ass! Glad to see its not a waste of points (im still fairly new to Eldar and don't quite have a grasp on whats good and whats not yet.)
Another quick question if you dont mind. Whats the difference between the codex wave serpents and the Type 2 wave serpents

The Craftworld Eldar are overall a very good army with a good selection of allies who mesh really well with them, good internal balance, perhaps the best usage of psykers in the game (the only thing they're missing is biomancy access) with only Tzeentch daemons and the Grey Knights offering any serious competition, and great special rules. The top rung of armies are generally agreed to be the Tau, Eldar, Daemons, and Necrons and there is a damn good reason for that.

As for the wave serpents, the same difference between the Deimos Pattern Predator and the regular Predator, it's aesthetic.

Ok thanks again. I'll be sure to ask you if i have any other questions, you seem to know plenty about the Eldar and im just starting out!


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Chrysis wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
Those rules are well and truly out of date, so you'll need a copy of IA: Apocalypse if you want to use him.

Thank you. I just google'd Wraithseer rules and that was the first thing that came up, I'll swing by my hobby shop tomorrow and pick up a copy of the IA book.

Your hobby shop stocks Forge World? Lucky.

If you do, make sure it's the one with the Chaos Reaver Titan on the front. This is the second book from Forge World entitled IA: Apocalypse, the first was for the original Apocalypse release and so won't help you much.

The difference is solely in the looks. Specifically the rear fins and turret style.

I asked a buddy of mine and he said he as it, Its in the Imperial Armour Book Doom of Mymeara, Its the same as the one i posted but the upgrades are a bit cheaper. The Doom scythe is only 40 points and a few of the others are cheaper as well.

Doom of Mymeara is also out of date, superseded by IA: Apocalypse. The only reasons to buy IA:11 as an Eldar player is for the fluff, the Corsair army list and the Wasp Assault Walker rules. All the other rules have been replaced in either IA: Apocalypse or IA: Aeronautica. With significant differences, as IA:11 was a 5th edition book while Aeronautica and Apocalypse are 6th edition ones.

Chrysis wrote:
Doom of Mymeara is also out of date, superseded by IA: Apocalypse. The only reasons to buy IA:11 as an Eldar player is for the fluff, the Corsair army list and the Wasp Assault Walker rules. All the other rules have been replaced in either IA: Apocalypse or IA: Aeronautica. With significant differences, as IA:11 was a 5th edition book while Aeronautica and Apocalypse are 6th edition ones.

well i got a PDF of IA Apocalypse II and im not seeing the rules in there.

IA Apoc II was 5th edition also. They have a new IA: Apoc book out that you need to find.

Goobi2 wrote:
IA Apoc II was 5th edition also. They have a new IA: Apoc book out that you need to find.

Crap, i'll look around, but the one i have has the reaver titan as the cover. thats the one i was told i would need

This is the book you need:

 Happyjew wrote:
This is the book you need:

Dammit, they dont have that at my hobby shop.
Oh well guess i just gotta order it



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So from doing a little digging around the web, everything is the same statline wise as from Doom of Mymeara, They only discrepancies are
that in one edition it says a seer takes a wraithcannon for 40pts and another says D-Scythe, From what i understand that is an editing issue
on the part of the publisher and it is in fact a D-scythe, That is what the model comes with and that is what has been placed in previous editions
Also the only changes are to the psyker abilities to update to 6th ed and they are listed below. And that should bring us up to snuff on the wraith seer rules
thank you all for your help

Eldar Wraithseer

(Imperial Armour Apocalypse, Second Edition
, p59)
Eldar Wraithseers gain the following special rule, which replaces the

Wraithseer Powers rule: Psyker (Mastery level 1).

Wraithseer Psychic powers: Wraithseers have the following Psychic
powers. These powers completely replace those listed in
Imperial Armour
Apocalypse, Second Edition
.
Foreboding
(Warp Charge 1)
The Wraithseer invokes the terror of death upon the lesser species,
clouding their minds with dread.
Foreboding is a nova power, except that it targets any one enemy unit
within 18". The target unit must make an immediate Pinning test at -2 to
their Leadership.

Enliven
(Warp Charge 1)
The Wraithseer enlivens the Eldar spirit stones around him, bringing them
fresh vigour and life.Enliven is a blessing
that targets a single friendly Wraithlord or
Wraithguard squad within 12” of the Wraithseer. Whilst this power is in
effect the target unit gains the Fleet special rule.

Deliverance
(Warp Charge 1)
The fates are marshalled to protect the Wraithseer and its charges.
Deliverance is a
blessing
that targets a single friendly Wraithlord or Wraithguard within 6” of the Wraithseer (the Wraithseer may be chosen
as the target of this power). Whilst this power is in effect the target unit gains the Feel No Pain (4+) special rule

Also, I noticed i cannot use the forgestone to heal the seer, i also cant cast voice of twilight or give the advantage of a spirit mark, even it's own spirit mark, due to the wording in the codex all those things
are for Wraithgaurd/blade Wraithlords, and Wraithknights. So really taking all that into equation i wonder if its really worth it, Now that i have the new rules and rulings on it, i see i can only cast Deliverance on my
wraithlord and gaurd, not my Knight. which was the plan, the lord prolly needs it more but still. The Wraithseer himself and my wraithknight dont actually gain any benefit from each other or my spiritseer.

Do you think he should still be included or should i spend the 225 points else ware?



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Sorry didnt mention, This is my list for 1750

Spiritseer (wraithforge stone)
Wraithseer ( D-scythe)
Wraithgaurd (wraithcannon)
-Wave Serpent (Scatterlaser & Holofields)
Wraithgaurd (wraithcannon)
-Wave Serpent (Scatterlaser & Holofields)
Wraithgaurd (D-scythe)
-Wave Serpent (Scatterlaser & Holofields)
Wraithlord (2 Flamers,2 Brightlance, Ghost glaive)
Wraith Knight (Suncannon,Scatterlaser, Warlord)

I am pretty sure its a D-Cannon not a wraithcannon. D-scythe wasn't written into the rules until long after the Wraithseer was created so whoever is telling you this is full of it(Unless I missed an FAQ)

Col. Dash wrote:
I am pretty sure its a D-Cannon not a wraithcannon. D-scythe wasn't written into the rules until long after the Wraithseer was created so whoever is telling you this is full of it(Unless I missed an FAQ)

It could be the D cannon, i was typing that from memory, Minus the spells, i copy and pasted those, its most likely my own error.

The rules actually state wraithcannon, due to a lack of checking by the writers.

I've got a wraithseer, and have used him quite a bit in friendly games. He once took down a full wound bloodthirster by himself. Admittedly, I had Fortune and FNP cast on him, and it took a good 5 rounds of combat. He's a great, fluffy choice, and the model is superb. i'm just waiting for a local tournament at 2k+ points so I can bust him out with my Elfzilla list (Wraithseer, Avatar, 2 Wraithknights and as many wraithlords as I can fit).

Hornet are a fantastic unit, i've not fielded them, but a couple of locale swear by them. I think they'll be great for escalation games, and a solid choice for taking out knights.

Belly wrote:
The rules actually state wraithcannon, due to a lack of checking by the writers.

I've got a wraithseer, and have used him quite a bit in friendly games. He once took down a full wound bloodthirster by himself. Admittedly, I had Fortune and FNP cast on him, and it took a good 5 rounds of combat. He's a great, fluffy choice, and the model is superb. i'm just waiting for a local tournament at 2k+ points so I can bust him out with my Elfzilla list (Wraithseer, Avatar, 2 Wraithknights and as many wraithlords as I can fit).

Hornet are a fantastic unit, i've not fielded them, but a couple of locale swear by them. I think they'll be great for escalation games, and a solid choice for taking out knights.

Awesome, now my question is the wraithcannon the mistake, and should it be a D scythe or????

Wow, just looked it up last night, that's a hell of a nerf. D-cannon down to a lowly wraithcannon for 40 points? I hope that is a typo.

Col. Dash wrote:
Wow, just looked it up last night, that's a hell of a nerf. D-cannon down to a lowly wraithcannon for 40 points? I hope that is a typo.

Other way around, the FAQ said that the guy typing had a derp, so it should read "D-cannon".

Thank, and yeah quite the derp.

Gotta find and print that one out. Yay, plan and points stay intact heheh.

Col. Dash wrote:
Gotta find and print that one out. Yay, plan and points stay intact heheh.

https://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2170001a_40k_Rulebook_FAQ_Version_1_5_January_2012.pdf

there ya go, its right there

I would like to note that while the shadow specters are medicore at best, they phonix lord is actually rather nasty with that silly gun it carries, and will be right at home escorted by a bunch of warp spiders.

The new rules for him are actually quite awesome.

 extremefreak17 wrote:
The new rules for him are actually quite awesome.

Yeah, i posted alot here before i bought anything. I just mad a purchase tho for what my army will be

2 Spiritseers
Wraithseer
20 Wraithgaurd/blades
4 Wave Serpents
10 Guardians with weapons shuriken cannon platform
2 Wraithlords
Wraithknight.

Im thinking of getting another serpent for the gaurdians

I actually got the gaurdians, wraitseer, a waveserpent and some of the wraithgaurd in a a package deal thats
why i got the gaurdians im thinking of like i said kitting them with a serpent or selling them and just running
the wraiths

Similar to the army I was thinking with the exception I am using rangers for litttle troopers and D-scythes and wraithcannon on the guards. Our heavy is identical.

Col. Dash wrote:
Similar to the army I was thinking with the exception I am using rangers for litttle troopers and D-scythes and wraithcannon on the guards. Our heavy is identical.

yeah im gonna run my wraiths with cannons and scythes too its just all NIB so it has the potential to be whatever you know.

If you email FW they will tell you that it is a typo for the wraithcannon. It was supposed to be the D-Cannon. That's why the model comes with a D-Cannon not a Wraithcannon. They also made a public FB statement about it months ago.
Below is what I copied front the email they sent me. Its cool for local tourneys where people know you aren't a cheater but I have found elsewhere its not generally accepted(understandably).

Hi Caleb,

They are correct. As for the Wraithseer in IA Apocalypse we have no plans to release anything as most of our customers know it is a typo mistake as we advertised it on Facebook when the book was first released. It has the same point cost but its just the D-cannon instead of wraithcannon.


If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
Regards,
Forge World


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