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In a battle forged army, can I take more than one CAD? If so, can this be a different faction from the Primary Detachment?

Example:
[Primary Detachment] Combined Arms Detachment (Eldar)
Combined Arms Detachment (Dark Eldar)

Is this legal? Or would the Dark Eldar have to be an "Allied Detachment" instead?

It's legal. As many cad as you like

Awesome! Thats what it looked like, but I wanted to be sure. Thanks.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It's legal. As many cad as you like

Wrong, the DE would have to be allies. Only the same Faction(codex) can be the "primary detachment"(no limit to number of). All others are allies(no limit to number of ally detachments). Page 122 and others.

 Byte wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It's legal. As many cad as you like

Wrong, the DE would have to be allies. Only the same Faction(codex) can be the "primary detachment"(no limit to number of). All others are allies(no limit to number of ally detachments). Page 122 and others.

But the Dark Eldar are not a part of the Primary Detachment. They are a second Combined Arms Detachment.

They would be "allies" if the Eldar are the Primary detachment.

I'll try and break this down.

-Battleforged List
-Units must be organized into Detachments
-No limit to number of Detachments
-A Combined Arms Detachment is a type of Detachment
-No restriction on having Detachments of different Factions
-I take 1 Eldar Detachment with at least 1 HQ and 2 Troop choices (Combined Arms Detachment)
-I take 1 Dark Eldar Detachment with at least 1 HQ and 2 Troop choices (Combined Arms Detachment)
-Farseer is my warlord and thus, the Eldar CAD must be my Primary Detachment.

I cant find a rule that states something to the effect of: "If you wish to take a Detachment of a different Faction than your primary, it can only be an Allied Detachment"

If this exists somewhere, it really wouldnt make sense anyway, as Formations are now detachments as well, and you can take them from any faction you like without them having to follow the organization chart for an Allied Detachment.

Combined Arms Detachment must come from the same codex.

Eldar and DE are different codex, so DE must be taken as allies.

page 122 from 7th BRB

Polecat wrote:
Combined Arms Detachment must come from the same codex.

Eldar and DE are different codex, so DE must be taken as allies.

page 122 from 7th BRB

Not codex, faction lol but yeah this correct. Unless you are using a supplement and parent codex, then the CAD can consist of the two.

Polecat wrote:
Combined Arms Detachment must come from the same codex.

Eldar and DE are different codex, so DE must be taken as allies.

page 122 from 7th BRB

All units in a Combined Arms Detachment must be from the same Faction, but I can't see anything that says all Combined Arms Detachments must be from the same faction.

What section says that? I have the iBook version, so the page number doesn't help.

EDIT: Yeah thats what i'm talking about.

 extremefreak17 wrote:
EDIT: Yeah thats what i'm talking about.

I already provided the reference above. Page 122 under "restrictions".

Also, "Codex and supplements" and "Factions" are essentially the same terminology in game terms.

 Byte wrote:
I already provided the reference above. Page 122 under "restrictions".

"All units chosen must have the same Faction (or have ​
no Faction)."

This is the only restriction on a Combined Arms Detachment. This is a restriction on that Detachment, not ALL Detachments.
I can't find anything that says ALL Detachments must be from the same Faction.
Can you quote the line please, as page numbers aren't the same between printed and digital.

 Byte wrote:

 extremefreak17 wrote:
EDIT: Yeah thats what i'm talking about.

I already provided the reference above. Page 122 under "restrictions".

Also, "Codex and supplements" and "Factions" are essentially the same terminology in game terms.

As grendel said, This is only a restriction for a single CAD. I want to take two seperate CADs. Each CAD will only cosist of one faction. Do you see something that indicates Seperate CADs need to be from the same faction?

 grendel083 wrote:

 Byte wrote:
I already provided the reference above. Page 122 under "restrictions".

"All units chosen must have the same Faction (or have ​
no Faction)."

This is the only restriction on a Combined Arms Detachment. This is a restriction on that Detachment, not ALL Detachments.
I can't find anything that says ALL Detachments must be from the same Faction.
Can you quote the line please, as page numbers aren't the same between printed and digital.

I couldn't find one!

So, CADs are unlimited and I have no idea why Allies even exist.




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 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 extremefreak17 wrote:
EDIT: Yeah thats what i'm talking about.

I already provided the reference above. Page 122 under "restrictions".

Also, "Codex and supplements" and "Factions" are essentially the same terminology in game terms.

As grendel said, This is only a restriction for a single CAD. I want to take two seperate CADs. Each CAD will only cosist of one faction. Do you see something that indicates Seperate CADs need to be from the same faction?

No I didn't, just that one shall include the warlord.

Pretty much it seems that the Allied Detachment would only be usefull If you wanted to take a single unit from another codex and didnt want to pay the additional troop tax.

I guess it's for when you only need a single HS/HQ/El/FA from your allied book and don't fancy forking out for 2 Troops to unlock them.

I need a Ravager--> Take allied and you only need to pay for a single Kabalite squad
I want 3 Ravagers and 2 Reavers --> Take combined arms and just pay for 2 Kabalites.

 extremefreak17 wrote:
Pretty much it seems that the Allied Detachment would only be usefull If you wanted to take a single unit from another codex and didnt want to pay the additional troop tax.

Yep, that's it.

Otherwise I'll take my LoW and fortifications shenanigans per CAD.

 Byte wrote:
So, CADs are unlimited and I have no idea why Allies even exist.

Smaller troop tax is the only reason I can see.

Although some Tournaments (such are GW's own Throne of Skulls surprisingly) are already stating Battleforged only with a max 1 combined and 1 Allied.

extremefreak17 wrote:Pretty much it seems that the Allied Detachment would only be usefull If you wanted to take a single unit from another codex and didnt want to pay the additional troop tax.

Mozzamanx wrote:I guess it's for when you only need a single HS/HQ/El/FA from your allied book and don't fancy forking out for 2 Troops to unlock them.

I need a Ravager--> Take allied and you only need to pay for a single Kabalite squad
I want 3 Ravagers and 2 Reavers --> Take combined arms and just pay for 2 Kabalites.

grendel083 wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So, CADs are unlimited and I have no idea why Allies even exist.

Smaller troop tax is the only reason I can see.

Although some Tournaments (such are GW's own Throne of Skulls surprisingly) are already stating Battleforged only with a max 1 combined and 1 Allied.

Aye, thanks all.

 grendel083 wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So, CADs are unlimited and I have no idea why Allies even exist.

Smaller troop tax is the only reason I can see.

Although some Tournaments (such are GW's own Throne of Skulls surprisingly) are already stating Battleforged only with a max 1 combined and 1 Allied.

Thats good point too. It does facilitate "house ruling" pretty well.

 Byte wrote:

 extremefreak17 wrote:
Pretty much it seems that the Allied Detachment would only be usefull If you wanted to take a single unit from another codex and didnt want to pay the additional troop tax.

Yep, that's it.

Otherwise I'll take my LoW and fortifications shenanigans per CAD.

At first glance it does seem like you can do:

CAD (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)
CAD 2 (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)

So you can legally have 2 LoW and 2 Fortifications if you pay the added tax

Back to the orignal you can take a CAD of Eldar and a CAD of dark eldar this is perfectly legal to do.

The rule on page 122 applies to single detachment it just means all the models in that one detachment have to be from the same faction not the next detachment. So aslong as your not trying to mix dark eldar and eldar into on CAD.... FREEDOM!!!

 BlackTalos wrote:


At first glance it does seem like you can do:

CAD (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)
CAD 2 (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)

So you can legally have 2 LoW and 2 Fortifications if you pay the added tax

I think you can just about fit 3x Baneblade style LoW in at 1500pts for an AM force.

Loopstah wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:


At first glance it does seem like you can do:

CAD (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)
CAD 2 (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)

So you can legally have 2 LoW and 2 Fortifications if you pay the added tax

I think you can just about fit 3x Baneblade style LoW in at 1500pts for an AM force.

Nice.

Loopstah wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:


At first glance it does seem like you can do:

CAD (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)
CAD 2 (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)

So you can legally have 2 LoW and 2 Fortifications if you pay the added tax

I think you can just about fit 3x Baneblade style LoW in at 1500pts for an AM force.

BOOM! BATTLE FORGED!!!

 grendel083 wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So, CADs are unlimited and I have no idea why Allies even exist.

Smaller troop tax is the only reason I can see.

Although some Tournaments (such are GW's own Throne of Skulls surprisingly) are already stating Battleforged only with a max 1 combined and 1 Allied.

Oh good, because they had not screwed over Tyranids quite enough yet...

coredump wrote:
Oh good, because they had not screwed over Tyranids quite enough yet...

You get a Flying Tyrant, that can fire off Witchfires at seperate targets, then shoot BOTH devourers (at a different target to the Witchfires), and now only takes a grounding test on an unsaved wound (rather than any hit).
Yes, poor Tyranids

For Lords of War... wouldn't you only get one in a Battle-Forged list? I see no rules for when or how to take an LoW in the new BRB. Which would mean we'd have to default to the rules in escalation. Which gives you one per Primary Detachment. And since in 7th BRB, you only get 1 Primary detachment, you would only get one LoW, correct?

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 extremefreak17 wrote:
Pretty much it seems that the Allied Detachment would only be usefull If you wanted to take a single unit from another codex and didnt want to pay the additional troop tax.

Yep, that's it.

Otherwise I'll take my LoW and fortifications shenanigans per CAD.

At first glance it does seem like you can do:

CAD (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)
CAD 2 (1HQ - 2 Troops - 1 Fortification - 1 LoW)

So you can legally have 2 LoW and 2 Fortifications if you pay the added tax

You are very wrong on this.

LoW and Fortifications per their respective bookis, are detachments themselves.

You can field 1 Combined Arms Primary detachment with 1 HQ, and 2 Troops, then field 3 LoW Detachments with 3 different Baneblade variants.

You can legally add 2 LoW detachments and 2 Fortifications detachments without paying any extra Combined Arms/Allied detachment tax.