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**Johnny-Crass**

I found a really fuzzy picture floating around on the Ogre Stronghold but I was hoping for something more real

**Kanluwen**

It might be an early concept cover, or it might just be someone trying to do an April Fool's Day joke.

**zedmeister**

A nice five-finger-discount from BoLS. SotonShades is doing a QandA session with the FW designers and fielding questions posted on BoLS loungs. Highlights below:

The Warlock Titan. Sorry eldargirl, but they won't be upgrading your beloved Phantom until the next time they do a major Eldar book (I'll explain when that is likely to be in a bit).

You want terrain kits? Blake Spence is working on them. He's the gentleman you can thank for the Zone Mortalis boards. Mostly going to be working on Realm of Battle Boards and more expansions for ZM, but other stand alone pieces are planned. Race specific RoB sections are planned, for most armies in 40k AND Fantasy! Could be a while before we see them though. This will include proper Cityfight terrain, possibly trenches in the future and linking pieces between RoB sections and ZM modules, such as stairs/subway entrances.

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Minotaurs will probably appear in several unlinked books, with an overal unfolding mystery about them. The Tzeentch/penal colony stuff will most likely be IA13 now (possibly with a Fantasy Book inbetween) and will most likely cover a Tzeenchian Cult across several legions and renegade space mainres.

No plans for any further Enforcers/Arbities rekeases. In fact, a point was made that if you see it as a show only model, it is probably because they don't feel it would work as an army. Same goes for Primarch models, but for a slightly different reason.

No plans to release any more models for Badab characters, whichwas why such detailed descriptions were given, to give you chance to convert them.

Next fantasy book is most likely going to be a campaign between Orcs and Goblins and the Emprire.

There are fairly well developed ideas for the next 3 or 4 I story lines. In fact the DE one is having to be rewritten because it is currently too Grim-Dark and bleak for 40k!

Speaking of which, Adeptus Mechanicus MAY appear in the next 2-3 books. Not certain, and probably more as part of a faction than as a force in their own right. They really want to do Knight Titans, but will be a while away yet.

I still have a few more pages of notes to type up, but i need to finish my rapidly cooling chips and collect my painting comp entry in the next few mins. Will carry on when i can

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There are also stirings within the studio for doing Chapter specific Contermptors, similar to their current range of Dreadnoughts. Nothing officially started yet, but it is something various designers said they wanted to work on.

Similar story for Iron Hands but less so. As for Mk VIII armour, the Errent pattern... No real interest I'm afraid. Maybe if their is enough demand for it, but designers are doubtful it would be different enough from the plastic kits to be worth doing.

During the Q&A session, a question was raised regarding some SM chapters getting certain equipment and other not (such as the Thunderfire Cannon). Chaos Marines were also mentioned. Basicly, GW & FW want to keep some disparity between the MEQ lists based on the way they are supposed to play, so not all equipment will go to everyone. This includes chaos not getting a Caestus Assault Ram.

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Yep. I'm afraid there are no plans to revisit them (Elysians) at the moment, or any other IG regiments or previously pulished lists. There are a few kits from previous books in the pipeline, most notably ran Redmaw, but for the most part what is out is out. Apart from whomeveer gets in to IA12. Speaking of which;

IA12 is Minotaur Space Marines Vs Necrons. Focus is on sectorwide conflict rather than specific system/planet, so will incorporate IG and probably other races as well. Looking at a facet of Imperial war we haven't really seen before.

To go with the book expect a BIG expansion of FW's Necron range. I have seen Minotaur shoulder pads. Simon Eagen wants to work on helmets, torsos and backpack bits as well (in fact that is where the 2 Minotaur characteers came from).

Speaking of conversion bits, new style Terminators WILL be getting full set of weapon options, possibly including some more esoteric ideas (graviton gun perhaps?) and Assault Terminator options. Assault Termies were on display in Will Hayes's Case.

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Several people asked about a bulk land pod for the Thunderhawk Transporter. Again, it's another case of "something we'd like to do, but have no plans or concepts for it yet.

For those of you who aren't so pleased with the WD SoB codex... well, FW haven't got that on their radar yet, but really want to do a War of Faith style IA book, with Sister and lots of screaming fanatics. Earliest would be several years down the pipeline though.

Some points were raised about Blakc Library and FW cross-overs. Basic reply was that they love to draw inspiration from each other, but neither party wants to do any tie-ins because it screws with their creative freedom. Specifically, can you imagine how a BL author would feel if one of his favourite characters to write had a bullet put in the back of his head by a FW writer?

THERE WILL BE MORE MODELLING MASTERCLASS VOLUMES!
Hopefully they will be putting a new one out every year or year and a half. Most likely the next one will be a Fantasy release. That said, it was doubtful they would be releasing and more hobby supplies such as their weathering powders any time soon.

Despite the release of so many older marks of armour and relic style vehicles/weaspon, FW will not be doing any pre/heresy stuff any time soon. To do a book would essentially mean SM vs SM, and would be such a big project it would be very very difficult to manage around doing other releases. They also don't feel it would work too well along the lines of the game set in the 41st millenium, so wouldnt work with/against 41st millennium codicies. Afterall, the great crusade was humanity expanding across the whole galaxy in a few hundred years, wipining out all but a handful of sentient xenos races.

FW also apologised for dropping a lot of their older scenery kits recently, particularly the old trench system. Basically comes down to not being able to constantly stock enough, with terrain beaing some of the worst selling stuff and too expensive to manufacture for what they can reasonably expect to sell it at. The old foam bits were also too damagable. Hopefully the new hollow terrain casting methods will mean they can stock and create a much greater variety (as I've already mentioned.)

FW want to convert more of the deamon engines and superheavies from epic in to 40k sclae. however, simply blowing up the old models is not a realistic option, so they would need to be completely redesigned, probably keeping little more than the original name. they also pointed out that scale ratios in epic do not work in 40k. mostly, especially on tall models such as titans, they are too short! And the taller the model, the worse this difference is (so my warlord at 40+ inches isnt too far off what they should be)

The FW design team want to keep IG using tracked vehicles, grinding forwards, rather than wheels like trrop trucks or bikes. Don't expect to see too many exceptions like the tauros for the elysians. They will only do it where it makes sense for a regiemtn in their books.

FW won't be doing any Fellblades for the Space Marines. They dont feel it fits with 40k since the reorganisation of the Legions to chapters. There was however talk of doing weapons packs, such as 10 combi-meltas for example only, that would be popular. Similar to the Chapterhouse kits. No firm confirmation on this though.

As they've pointed out before, FW have very few links with the main design studio, so theyk now nothing of 6th Ed and how their stuff will integrate. As far as FW are concerned, anything stamped with the 40k approved logo is balanced enough for regular games, but always ask your opponant (no reason to say no, but...) They haven't even had a chance to get a hold of the new paints yet (so I had to tell Phil what they were like!) Similarly, there is no connection between the FW Demigryphs and the new empirs plastics as far as the FW team are aware.

FW are happy with the rate at which they put out books. They want to cover all the race before they cover any again (though expect Imperials to be in all books, quite possibly mostly Minotaurs for the next few), so we are now expecting Necrons in IA12, Tzeentch later (prob IA13) then DE and Slaanesh before anyone else gets re-done. Necrons are in very early concept phase, so will be a while before we get out hand on them, but there are all ready plans afoot for a BIG kit for Orks when they come round again. They will almost certainly get either a Bomma or a Gargant. Quite possibly both.

**TheSovereign**

zedmeister wrote:
"Bran Redmaw has been put on hold."

Well, that answers my question. I wonder why. Was looking forward to his Wulfen form model for use as MotW in my squads.

**AegisGrimm**

The Avenger is cool for the role it plays as a tank killer, but I still think the Thunderbolt looks much cooler as a IG flyer.

The Warhammer stuff i can't really comment on, as I couldn't make too much out.

The Spartan looks like something created with the old VDR rules, where people took things far too much to the comical extreme, like putting four heavy bolters on a landspeeder, or a six-barreled dark lance on a DE skimmer. You might as well put a thudd-gun or a thunderfire cannon in each sponson.

The Raven still looks kind of awkward with the too-far back wings, but I like it better after seeing more photos in different perspectives than the Salamanders one. My time away from the game must show, though, because seeing it's all it's rules versus it's points makes me shake my head.

I used to make flyers with the old VDR rules that were less powerful than this thing but more expensive, and people used to call vehicles with those rules undercosted.

**Nagashek**

Sad that I will have to wait so long for a DE book, but HIGHLY amused that someone really got into the fiction for DE so much that FW started getting squeamish. That pleases me greatly. Bwa ha ha.

**AgeOfEgos**

Big expansion of the Necron range

**Xca|iber**

Liking the Avenger and the Apothecaries.

Stormeagle (now that we've got some more angles) still not doing it for me, but I'm thinking of some neat conversion possibilities.

Still liking the Tartaros Terminators. I may nab some of those in the future.

Not much of an opinion on anything else.

Oh and the Khorne Flake was beautiful.

**Perkustin**

WOWOWOW

Do want! Do want much strongly!

I'll take one of everything!

That imperial flier is fabulous and i will have to by a load of the Tartarus character sets....

**darknightwing**

So another imperial flyer I must have! My wife is going to kill me this year...

**Dysartes**

Well, I said in the Newsletter thread with the show-only models in I'd try to get a couple of pics of the models after the show. Unfortunately, due to a logistical issue meaning they were massively short on the Skin Wolf (I was told by a staff member when I joined the queue at 10:45am that they'd only had 25 Skin Wolves, but the FW staff member disagreed with that number, though agreed that they'd massively underestimated the likely demand), I can't supply any further pictures until my one gets here.

In the mean time, though, here are a couple of shots of the Enforcer & Cyberpuppy:

I particularly like the detail on the spine of the Cyberpuppy.

I think you've had pictures of the new things I saw, so I won't bother posting them.

**darknightwing**

JaqTaar wrote:
First thing that came to my mind is that it looked like a combination of two WWII planes: Messerschmidt ME110 and Corsair F4U

First thing that came to my mind was a Grumman Skyrocket

**Kanluwen**

The head being a separate piece is actually kind of a surprise!

But thanks for the shots Dysartes.

**Karnage**

The Khorne Flake wasn't the only April Fool

**Kanluwen**

Oh my God, how was that not shown sooner?

Will Hayes--you are a genius.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Karnage wrote:The Khorne Flake wasn't the only April Fool

i want one!

**FM Ninja 048**

Karnage wrote:The Khorne Flake wasn't the only April Fool

next years show only please

but did a question for those that saw the Avenger, 1 crewman or a tandem seater?

**Kanluwen**

If you look at the mock-up, it's two in a back-to-back setup like the Snowspeeder from The Empire Strikes Back.

**Happygrunt**

Platuan4th wrote:PLEASE tell me the Spartan can still poop Terminators while it drives

Like all Land Raider variants, it's a must buy for my Deathwing.

Also, who was it that called it that BA wouldn't get the Storm Eagle?

I said I didn't think it was likely the BA would get the Storm Eagle. And you have no idea how pissed I am that I was right.

Stuff looks good. And doesn't it sound like the Minotaurs are replacing the Red Scorpions as the "Forgeworld chapter"?

**Kepora**

AlexHolker wrote:Rules for the Storm Eagle:

Spoiler:

225 points

Storm Eagle BS4 12/12/12

Fast Skimmer
Four access points
Transports either 20 or 25 models (Terminators and JI count twice)
One hull mounted TL HB
One hull mounted Vengeance Launcher (48" / S5 / AP4 / Heavy 2, Large Blast)
Ceramite plating

Deep Strike
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit

Options:
TLHB for:
TL multi-melta: +15 pts
Typhoon ML: +25 pts

0-1 of the following:
4* Hellstrike missiles: +40 pts
2* TL lascannon: +60 pts

Any of the following:
Searchlight: +1 pt
Extra armour: +15 pts

FA choice for C:SM, C: DA, C:SW, C:BT
FA choice for Siege Assault Vanguard
HS choice for Tyrant's Legion

Why am I not surprised that Chaos wasn't on that list?

zedmeister wrote:
During the Q&A session, a question was raised regarding some SM chapters getting certain equipment and other not (such as the Thunderfire Cannon). Chaos Marines were also mentioned. Basicly, GW & FW want to keep some disparity between the MEQ lists based on the way they are supposed to play, so not all equipment will go to everyone. This includes chaos not getting a Caestus Assault Ram.

Or, you know...3/4ths of the stuff Space Marines get. Did anyone bother asking them WHY the Chaos stuff is so overcosted? Our stuff WOULD be nice if it wasn't "ALMOST as good as loyalists but for more points"...

The flyer is really cool and I want 40, but no Chaos or Tau at all...makes me sad.

**Just Dave**

zedmeister wrote:Further updates snaffled from Warseer:

No primarchs.
Well developed ideas for 3-4 more IAs.
Dark Eldar story being revised on account of being too grimdark even for FW.
AdMech may appear in 2-3 books time.
FW really want to do Knight Titans.

YES!, yes, damn, yes and yes.

I love FW these days, much better behaviour all-round than GW IMHO.
The rate at which they produce new stuff is very impressive too.

**Dysartes**

Kanluwen wrote:If you look at the mock-up, it's two in a back-to-back setup like the Snowspeeder from The Empire Strikes Back.

Indeed - IIRC, the sculptor mentioned in passing that there was going to be a rear gun added before it is completed.

**VaUgHaNy86**

I was talking to a couple of the design team today with regards to the Necrons, apparently they are currently working on some small constructs atm which are referenced as dragonfly like with segmented bodies, 4-5 to a base, with regards to ia 12 they are planning on releasing a titan like model undecided on war machine or construct, something to tie in with tomb stalker but spyder sized, possible upgrade sprues for crypteks/ overlords including possible alternate heads with different styles of death mask, the ia12 will be an entirely new dynasty with very different fluff and a couple named characters possible c'tan shard and they are planning on doing something between tomb stalker/ titan size, possibly a flyer, no plans on doing anything with regards to troops or anything like that, only characters as troops and infantry they believe there is no need to do anything with

**TyraelVladinhurst**

zedmeister wrote:Further updates snaffled from Warseer:

No primarchs.
No plans for more Badab characters
Well developed ideas for 3-4 more IAs.
Dark Eldar story being revised on account of being too grimdark even for FW.
AdMech may appear in 2-3 books time.
FW really want to do Knight Titans.

bad, even worse, good, very bad, doubt it will happen so bad, good

**crimsonfist832**

Loving all the marine bits. The left Apothecary is a MUST have for me. The stuff on the Minotaurs is sooooon good for me, my chapter uses the symbol but them wanting to do shoulders is preety stupid, they already have shoulders done for both marine and termie, but the heads, backpacks and torsos SOUNDS GREAT!!!!! Also can't wait for IA:12 if those things said are true.

**Xca|iber**

Karnage wrote:The Khorne Flake wasn't the only April Fool

Preview of Space-Thunder-Shark Cavalry from Codex: Space Sharks? Or perhaps Shark Attack Jetbikes?

Awesome.

**Dysartes**

I think we can safely say that that Marine jumped the shark...

**Kanluwen**

That was bad, and you should feel bad Dysartes.

**Lovepug13**

Other items from Q&A....

Warlord Titan will be a go.....Late 2013 is the earliest you will see this.

Likewise....Gargant will be a go when Orks get another book....whenever that is.

For IA12 they want to focus on the bigger things for Necrons, a superheavy or superheavys could be on table

The prison planet "morros incident?" still going to be going ahead.....just not yet.

Zone Mortalis board to stay at Warhammer world for usage in main gaming hall....

Tzentch and Slanesh to get some love at some point in future in 40k

Thats all I can remember...had a great day, even got a Grot Mega tank lol :-)

**Capitansolstice**

Wow... a warlord!