Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**Mantle**

I would really hope for some plastic rangers, for more poses but also for plenty of conversion opportunities

**Cypher's Sword**

AHAHAHAHAH!!!!! I can't wait, plastic webway portal!!! Finally something that ACTUALLY relates to the eldar way of fighting

I'll be sad if the don't bring back the solataire though, I was sad already that he wasn't in the Dark Eldar book.

**Thunderfrog**

BlueDagger wrote:Eh track record lately:

DE congrats go buy new stuff
- - GK, congrats go buy new stuff
- Necrons, congrats go buy a whole new army
- CSM, seems so far congrats go buy new stuff

I have no doubt in my mind that when it comes to eldar, the new stuff will outshine the stuff we currently have. Not to mention the 7 million Eldar bandwagoners.

People were actually scrambling for my old GK minis when I put them up for sale.

They all came outfitted with halberds and the storm bolters looked better. The old Termies are a little harder to use, but I prefer the old PAGKs.

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Mantle wrote:I would really hope for some plastic rangers, for more poses but also for plenty of conversion opportunities

Not likely since they just put them out in Finecast. Regardless of your opinion on the medium, they haven't put anything out in plastic that was already released in finecast.

**lonedrow02**

Very neat rumor. Il have to dust off my eldar for the flyer coming out. also i will shelf my imperials if theirs exodite/ corsair goodies in store for us.

**tdwg83**

lonedrow02 wrote:Very neat rumor. Il have to dust off my eldar for the flyer coming out. also i will shelf my imperials if theirs exodite/ corsair goodies in store for us.

I would believe exodites, probably not corsairs except a character or two like Yriel since they were the subject of IA11....

**lonedrow02**

tdwg83 wrote:
lonedrow02 wrote:Very neat rumor. Il have to dust off my eldar for the flyer coming out. also i will shelf my imperials if theirs exodite/ corsair goodies in store for us.

I would believe exodites, probably not corsairs except a character or two like Yriel since they were the subject of IA11....

Your very right! i forgot about IA11. epic titan battles...

**Arschbombe**

Thunderfrog wrote:
Not likely since they just put them out in Finecast. Regardless of your opinion on the medium, they haven't put anything out in plastic that was already released in finecast.

That's not correct. The metal hive tyrant went finecast last year before the plastic kit was released this February.

**Thunderfrog**

Indeed.

**Fayric**

Individual resin "exarchs" ?
What are they up to.
Ofcourse it would be nice not to pay for an extra exarch every 6th model, but most likely the price will be as before + an extra expencive exarch (xentarch) on the side.

**foofighter**

This is awesome!! Though the wait could very well kill me

Plastic Spiders will be pretty sweet and I'm gonna have to dig my old codex out for that Niadhu guy - wasn't he an old Siam Hann character?
Also checked the original link and that Phantomwaechter-ma-bob has now changed to "Some sort of Dreadnought-like construct potentially larger than a Wraithlord"

No word on psychic powers though - will be hoping that maybe Eldar get their own pack if thats how they wanna do it these days

Ah well as long as this flyer wave does include the Eldar i'll be happy enough - btw I know WD was apparently pushed back so when were we due to get it?
I was assuming next week but pffffft if I ever keep track of time

**ChrisPatrickJones**

If half of this is to be true, I can see myself doing an Eldar army come the new codex.

**Mahtamori**

Fayric wrote:Individual resin "exarchs" ?
What are they up to.
Ofcourse it would be nice not to pay for an extra exarch every 6th model, but most likely the price will be as before + an extra expencive exarch (xentarch) on the side.

While this is an early rumour we're looking at, I note that there's no mention of an updated Dire Avenger kit, for example. Additionally, there's no reason to change the name of the Exarch to Xentarch. I would hazard a guess: one-per-army Exarch upgrade with extra juicy options? Think "Eldar Snikrot". Possibly the Xentarchs might be used in a HQ Court unit. A third possibility is that they've got new Eldar Shenanigans on the way, though I personally think Exarch upgrades is more likely.

**MightyGodzilla**

On the off Xentarchs are really Exarchs and they're really getting single resins, I'd like to say that it would really be nice if all of the exarchs had all of their weapon choices available....spinnerets rifles, sunrifles, web o skulls, etc.

**Gamble**

I hear ya mighty G, but are WoS still in game?

**4oursword**

They're Triskeles now...

**Mahtamori**

Triskele and Web of Skulls share nothing in common. Web of Skulls is sadly (thankfully?) gone. But there are a lot of items missing in the different kits. We're straying off topic, though.

**JOHIRA**

Mahtamori wrote:
Fayric wrote:Individual resin "exarchs" ?
What are they up to.
Ofcourse it would be nice not to pay for an extra exarch every 6th model, but most likely the price will be as before + an extra expencive exarch (xentarch) on the side.

While this is an early rumour we're looking at, I note that there's no mention of an updated Dire Avenger kit, for example. Additionally, there's no reason to change the name of the Exarch to Xentarch. I would hazard a guess: one-per-army Exarch upgrade with extra juicy options? Think "Eldar Snikrot". Possibly the Xentarchs might be used in a HQ Court unit. A third possibility is that they've got new Eldar Shenanigans on the way, though I personally think Exarch upgrades is more likely.

This might require a background re-write to make sense. Exarchs are already the literal embodiment of their aspect path, Eldar who are so obsessed they've let their entire personality get subsumed by the goal of perfecting their warrior aspect and can never break away to be anything else, ever again. To break out a new guy who is "That, only better" would be ridiculous. Though sadly in keeping with the way GW writes their fluff these days.

**Azreal13**

JOHIRA wrote:
Mahtamori wrote:
Fayric wrote:Individual resin "exarchs" ?
What are they up to.
Ofcourse it would be nice not to pay for an extra exarch every 6th model, but most likely the price will be as before + an extra expencive exarch (xentarch) on the side.

While this is an early rumour we're looking at, I note that there's no mention of an updated Dire Avenger kit, for example. Additionally, there's no reason to change the name of the Exarch to Xentarch. I would hazard a guess: one-per-army Exarch upgrade with extra juicy options? Think "Eldar Snikrot". Possibly the Xentarchs might be used in a HQ Court unit. A third possibility is that they've got new Eldar Shenanigans on the way, though I personally think Exarch upgrades is more likely.

This might require a background re-write to make sense. Exarchs are already the literal embodiment of their aspect path, Eldar who are so obsessed they've let their entire personality get subsumed by the goal of perfecting their warrior aspect and can never break away to be anything else, ever again. To break out a new guy who is "That, only better" would be ridiculous. Though sadly in keeping with the way GW writes their fluff these days.

No you could squeeze it in. Exarchs are the guardian of the shrine of their aspect on each craftworld. You make Xentarch some sort of wondering exarch who has left his shrine behind and dedicated himself to engaging in perpetual war, seeking it out whenever possible.

Not currently in the fluff, but fits without upsetting anything

**Ascalam**

Or make them an uber exarch who can take a unit of exarchs ....damn, channelling Ward again :(

I'm excited about the rumors, but it will really depend on who's writing the book. If it's certain writers my wife will probably sell her Eldar and quit 40k, or just use the old book and units in home games.

**Mahtamori**

Or simply give Eldar back their Exarchs but with a new name, and then implementing a new, lower, form of exarchy which is what we've had to deal with the past decades since 3rd edition gave the two-finger to the fluff regarding Exarchs.

**RiTides**

Kirby posts here, too... at least, I have assumed it was the same Kirby, perhaps not!

**Sean_OBrien**

Based on the past HQ - special troops pattern, Xentarchs are probably special HQ choices which allow you to take their particular Shrine figures as a troops choice.

I sort of find this one annoying:

plastic phoenix lord niadhau - For Shining Spears, appears to be on a Vyper jetbike.

Used to be he was just some guy from Saim-Hann. Got a promotion to a phoenix lord and they are doing plastic for him. Would much rather see a metal/finecast version of him and make a plastic box of harlequins or one of the other aspect warriors.

**Relapse**

spectreoneone wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:So they have plan on having product sit in a warehouse for the next year? That would be a tad strange.

If you were to believe other rumors, GW apparently has all of the models for the next Tau release completed, possibly the codex as well. Frankly, it's not that odd of a business strategy. Think of it on these terms: GW has to pace their releases so they can maintain a schedule of releasing products at a constant rate, with little interruption. GW is a relatively small company with limited resources, so they can't continuously pump out full lines year round for long. They need time to develop each release. Sometimes they get ahead, and can have product sitting in a warehouse, waiting for its release. Sometimes they get behind, so the release schedule might need to get shifted, thus having an entire release on standby in a warehouse allows for a contingency plan with minimal scrambling for a solution. I wouldn't be surprised if GW has one or two fully completed product releases sitting in their main warehouse at any given time, with one or two other releases in production, and another one or two in development.

You can also look at it from another standpoint: if GW were to release everything as they completed it, they wouldn't be able to upsell the latest product for long, and the consumer would be flooded with many, many choices. While we might complain as gamers that our favorite army only gets love every few years (l know I'm ready for a new Tau release), GW actually gets more sales through promoting the latest and greatest release. Remember...it's not the veterans they're mainly targeting...it's the new players they want to reel in, because they know the vets will snatch up product regardless.

That goes against every lean principle of manufacturing known. Who is going to sit on inventory, paying taxes on it, and risking that all that stock proves unpopular?

**Eldarguy88**

Sean_OBrien wrote:Based on the past HQ - special troops pattern, Xentarchs are probably special HQ choices which allow you to take their particular Shrine figures as a troops choice.

Isn't it far more likely that Xentarchs or whatever is just a mistranslation and that they are the finecast releases of the phoenix lords? The whole original rumour is riddled with doubling up and mistranslation.

Consider this:

1) That would be far too many original sculpts for a release compared to what we are used to.
2) The exact aspects that have a phoenix lord are getting Xentarchs in Resin
3) All the phoenix lords are currently metal, it makes sense that they would be finecasted at this point.
4) There is no reason for something between an exarch and a phoenix lord to exist, either in fluff or on the table. I just wish the phoenix lords became upgrade characters for their squads.

**BlackRaven1987!!**

Whatever happens it is about time eldar got some love and can't wait to see new sculpts of phoenix lords always imagined them more epic looking.

**Eldarguy88**

There is no way they will all be redone. Again, there is too many of them and they are all apparently coming all at once. They are amazing sculpts anyway, they aren't diminutive like the warlocks or other old sculpts. I really hoped one day we would see a kit for warlocks, but it seems from the rumour all the plastics are new things or the equally overdue wraithguard.

**Brother SRM**

BlackRaven1987!! wrote:Whatever happens it is about time eldar got some love and can't wait to see new sculpts of phoenix lords always imagined them more epic looking.

I sincerely doubt we'll get new sculpts of Phoenix Lords. GW is curiously reluctant to update ancient special characters.

**Sean_OBrien**

Eldarguy88 wrote:Isn't it far more likely that Xentarchs or whatever is just a mistranslation and that they are the finecast releases of the phoenix lords? The whole original rumour is riddled with doubling up and mistranslation.

If it were all of the Phoenix Lords - sure. But it skips on Baharroth and Maugan Ra. The ones which are getting the Xentarch treatment are pretty good options for troops conversion (fairly standard ground pounders with specialties). The aspects which are left out are ones which don't fit well with the troops concept.

Like I said - it makes sense. All the current armies have HQ choices which allow you to move Elites over to Troops choices and the like. They will likely do something like that for the Eldar as well. It could be done with the Phoenix Lords - but a Phoenix Lord is specifically mentioned as a Phoenix Lord (granted it is a new one). Also, if it were simply an update of the old models into resin - they would likely be available for preorder or online already if they have been seen in the warehouse. There isn't an advantage to sitting on boxes of finecast Phoenix Lords when they could be selling them at a premium price for a reduced cost when compared to the metal figures. Since they wouldn't actually be new figures - they would not have the big hype that new figures get (or be held back for Codex release schedules).

can't wait to see new sculpts of phoenix lords always imagined them more epic looking.

What would indicate new sculpts even if they were going to be Finecast? The vast majority of finecast figures are the exact same figures as the metal ones created from the exact same masters that the metal molds are made from. It would be neat if GW would actually do some new sculpts - but I don't seem them changing anytime soon.

**Fayric**

Anyway, about Xentarchs being special HQ with possibilities to take aspect troops -wouldnt it be easier to just give those abilities to the Phoenix lords?
Now, Im more with the theory that Xentartchs are mistranslated phoenix lords. Sounds possitively sacreligious to rename Exarchs.

Also, resin Eldrich Raiders makes me wonder- what role in the army could they possibly play? Weak, fast, sneaky raiders with lots of attacks and some melta equipment perhaps. Wait, what did the harlequins do already?

**the_dunner**

I don't know what UK tax law is like, but in the US a company would never keep product in its warehouse for over a year without releasing it. In the US, a company must pay taxes on their saleable assets at the end of every business year. Those taxes can be substantial (~20% of the claimed value). That's in addition to any other warehousing costs.

This is one of the primary motivations for the adoption of "just in time" inventorying practices.

That's also why companies often have major clearance sales at a regular point in the calendar year -- reducing their inventory so that they don't have to pay taxes on it.

Of course, if UK law doesn't have a tax like this, the point is moot.