Vallejo Game Color Special Effects Colors & Game Air Paints (Now with pics of the Game Air paints)

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**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

Element games where doing a bundle as that's where I ordered from though think they may be waiting a resupply now

**Yonan**

Element Games looks pretty good. £107.06 for the bundle and £5.75 int'l shipping. Tempting...

edit: It's listed as "Pre-order release: 19th Sep" yeah, damn.

**Azazelx**

Yonan wrote:
I couldn't find Fireforge, got a link for them? This Troll Trader? They have good Vallejo prices ( £1.89) but no Game Air yet, I imagine they will soon enough.

Yep, that Troll Trader. Not released in the UK yet is the reason why. I made a common (for me) mistake - Firestorm games, not Fireforge....
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/

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Yonan wrote:
Element Games looks pretty good. £107.06 for the bundle and £5.75 int'l shipping. Tempting...

edit: It's listed as "Pre-order release: 19th Sep" yeah, damn.

It does - but they'd have to send them via Courier, so the shipping might be a lot more than that. Worth checking with them first.

Never heard of Element Games. I might start a Dakka Discussions thread to see what the feedback is like.

**Ninjakinshu**

If only I could get some of these at my local hobby stores. It's a pain in the ass that I have to order individual bottles online. I much prefer going to the store and seeing the colors for myself.

**ced1106**

I've heard negative reviews of Vallejo's Game Color line (and the last two pages are all raves about the Air colors!), so if anyone who gets their hands on the Game Effects line and could give impressions when they get them, I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks way way in advance!

**Azazelx**

Game Colour is great. And I'm not some anti-GW snob - I use paints from a variety of manufactuers - Citadel, Vallejo Game Colour, Model Colour, Model Air, Reaper, Coat D'Arms, etc etc.

Seeing as the last two pages are raves about Model Air, and the main difference between Model Air and Game Air will be the colour range, expect the same raves about VGA...

Yonan - did you contact those guys about ability to ship the VGA set to Australia?

**Rayvon**

I have never heard anyone with a bad thing to say about Vallejo, quite the opposite in fact, I cannot wait to get my hands on some air model colours now.

**dsteingass**

ced1106 wrote:
Being a coward after starting with the Reaper Learn to Paint Kits' MSP paints, I haven't tried other lines. i like the convenience of not needing to thin the paints (I just use a little water on the brush) and I'm only painting to tabletop, mostly for soft plastic boardgame pieces. Are these VGAC paints overkill for me? What are some ways to transition to these paints without, say, overlapping one's existing paint range or making the wrong choices? I'm thinking red and yellow (saw the yellow coverage in the video -- nice!) could be good starts because of their notoriously bad few-coat coverage in most hobby paints, and the surface primers look appealing because I have to use brush-on primer after finding yet another missed mold line on this soft boardgame plastic miniatures...! Thanks in advance for your advice!

No real worries about overlaps. There is no reason at all not to try several manufacturers paint ranges. Acrylic is acrylic, explore, enjoy!

**Yonan**

Azazelx wrote:
Yonan - did you contact those guys about ability to ship the VGA set to Australia?

Element Games? Nah not yet since their stock was almost a month off. Thought I'd wait and see if a better option presented itself before I harassed them.

Rayvon wrote:
I have never heard anyone with a bad thing to say about Vallejo, quite the opposite in fact, I cannot wait to get my hands on some air model colours now.

I love my Vallejo but a couple VGC colours can require stirring and a couple have very low coverage, they're the only major complaints I can attribute to VGC. It's still a great range and my go-to for vibrant colours. Until I get VGA ; )

**Yodhrin**

Yonan wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
Yonan - did you contact those guys about ability to ship the VGA set to Australia?

Element Games? Nah not yet since their stock was almost a month off. Thought I'd wait and see if a better option presented itself before I harassed them.

Rayvon wrote:
I have never heard anyone with a bad thing to say about Vallejo, quite the opposite in fact, I cannot wait to get my hands on some air model colours now.

I love my Vallejo but a couple VGC colours can require stirring and a couple have very low coverage, they're the only major complaints I can attribute to VGC. It's still a great range and my go-to for vibrant colours. Until I get VGA ; )

Quick point; they have stock of all the colours available now, the "set" is delayed because they've not got the primers and mediums, so if someone just wants the paints themselves you can order right now - I just grabbed one of every colour last night.

**Ghaz**

From Vallejo's Facebook page:

**Yonan**

Ooooh very nice. My VGA paints just arrived yesterday and so far so good. Haven't tried the chipping medium yet. I can see me picking up some more of these!

**smurfORnot**

Does any one know how they perform with AK interactive chipping effects? I think that I read before that vallejo colors don't mix good with chipping effects from AK, like they peel more than they should and stuff like that.

**-Loki-**

I wonder how te chipping medium works. I'm guessing something like the GW desert earth paint that cracks and goes brittle when it dries?

**caylentor**

How well does the surface primer work through an airbrush? Does it need thinning or work straight out of the bottle (or is there an air range primer)?

**Yonan**

-Loki- wrote:
I wonder how te chipping medium works. I'm guessing something like the GW desert earth paint that cracks and goes brittle when it dries?

I haven't tried it yet but it says: "Apply on paint or primer. When dry, apply second, final coat of waterbased acrylic paint. When dry, re-moisten with water areas to be chipped and scratch off some of the final paint."

caylentor wrote:
How well does the surface primer work through an airbrush? Does it need thinning or work straight out of the bottle (or is there an air range primer)?

Vallejo does a polyurethane range of airbrush primers (that also work fine by brush) that many people here recommend. You don't need to thin it but you can. I use the white, grey and black ones and they're great, though they have a longer cure time than rattle cans. The cheap price and thin coats is really nice.

**caylentor**

Yonan wrote:

caylentor wrote:
How well does the surface primer work through an airbrush? Does it need thinning or work straight out of the bottle (or is there an air range primer)?

Vallejo does a polyurethane range of airbrush primers (that also work fine by brush) that many people here recommend. You don't need to thin it but you can. I use the white, grey and black ones and they're great, though they have a longer cure time than rattle cans. The cheap price and thin coats is really nice.

Thanks - so http://elementgames.co.uk/paints-hobby-and-scenery/paints-washes-etc/vallejo-paints/model-air/surface-primers are the airbrush ones? They didn't mention the Air range so I wasn't certain!

**Ghaz**

-Loki- wrote:
I wonder how te chipping medium works. I'm guessing something like the GW desert earth paint that cracks and goes brittle when it dries?

The chipping medium is not a new product in the Special Effects set and came out earlier in the year. From Vallejo's FAQ:

11.16. What is the difference between the new Chipping Medium and the Crackle Medium?

Our new Chipping Medium has been formulated especially to create flaked and chipped paint on very specific areas of the model, spots where complete control is required, whereas Crackle Medium is used primarily in dioramas, to create cracked and peeled paint on ruined buildings and for effects of dried and cracked earth in desert landscapes.

11.17. How do I use your new Chipping Medium, Ref. 76.550?

The transparent Chipping Medium is applied to the base color of the model, on those areas where flaked and chipped paint is to be created. When the Medium is dry to the touch, the final color is applied with brush or airbrush, and once dry, the area where paint will be chipped is moistened slightly with water: paint flakes are chipped off with a dry brush or stick. Let the area dry again, and apply a final varnish to protect the result.

11.18. How long before the Chipping Medium takes effect?

The Medium works by slowing down the drying of the final color, and this varies according to how the final coat has been applied and on local conditions of humidity in the air. Colors applied with an airbrush dry very quickly, for instance. At any rate, the final color should be dry to touch before starting the flaking process (see 11.17).

11.19. Does the new Chipping Medium contain solvents?

No, the product is water-based, and paint brushes and airbrush can be cleaned with water.

**Yonan**

caylentor wrote:
Yonan wrote:

caylentor wrote:
How well does the surface primer work through an airbrush? Does it need thinning or work straight out of the bottle (or is there an air range primer)?

Vallejo does a polyurethane range of airbrush primers (that also work fine by brush) that many people here recommend. You don't need to thin it but you can. I use the white, grey and black ones and they're great, though they have a longer cure time than rattle cans. The cheap price and thin coats is really nice.

Thanks - so http://elementgames.co.uk/paints-hobby-and-scenery/paints-washes-etc/vallejo-paints/model-air/surface-primers are the airbrush ones? They didn't mention the Air range so I wasn't certain!

Yep that's them, the 200ml white, grey and black bottles for £9.89 are what I use, so I can't comment on the coloured primers. They're not part of the air range I don't think, but they work perfectly fine with the airbrush (Vallejo primer page).

**Yonan**

I had a quick go with the 9 VGA paints I picked up. I brushed a couple on test models and airbrushed all of them onto their lids. They behave exactly the same as VMA which is great. Coverage varies and is lowest as expected on the yellows and orange that I have, but charred brown, the metallic and the new alien purple all had really good coverage with the others being average. The dark metallic I picked up was really smooth too. I didn't notice any substantial separation or settling which makes me really happy as that was a big problem with VGC charred brown which I otherwise loved. Really happy with this range, definitely going to pick up some more.

**SickSix**

This is great news!

No really, I am serious. This is awesome. I love Vallejo paints.

**Alpharius**

Verdigris!

Sweet!

**ski2060**

Chipping mediums are not mixed with other paints. They are applied in a layer over your undercoat/base coat/ rust coat on a model. Then your top coat is applied and left to dry. Once dry, you go back in and wet the model in places you want to do chipping/scratches, and use a toothbrush/ pick/ wooden toothpick to scratch the top paint layer away.

So, in order:

Primer
Base coat that you want to show through. (Rust, bottom paint coat, etc.)
Gloss sealant
Chipping medium/liquid
Topcoat (including camo work, highlighting etc)

Once topcoat dries, wet areas, and use implement to chip off showing undercoat layer.

Look on youtube, there are some great examples using AK interactive and Ammo by Mig for chipping fluids.

That VGA effects set looks great. I may have to pick that up at some point.

**Ghaz**

Alpharius wrote:
Verdigris!

Sweet!

Not sure how it differs from the existing VMC Verdigris Glaze

**Alpharius**

Me neither, but I only just realized I'd be needing to use it, so I'm excited by this mostly because it also comes with a nice little 'how to' guide as well.

**dsteingass**

I've been using the Vallejo Air colored primers for awhile now- they work GREAT straight out of the bottle without thinning in your AB. I was ready to found a religion around them, until I got ahold of some of the new Badger AB primers from GenCon....so..soo smooth (Just not all the cool colors yet Black, white, grey). But if you want cool basecoats such as German Grun Braun- grab some Vallejo Primer without hesitation.

**Azazelx**

Ghaz wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Verdigris!

Sweet!

Not sure how it differs from the existing VMC Verdigris Glaze

These look like a straight ripoff of the new(ish) GW technical paints, so the Verdigris will be like a wash, but with very strong/dense pigments. The existing Vallejo Verdigris is anything but a wash - it's more like toothpaste in thickness and consistency.

**Yonan**

This might (or might not!) be useful to people to get a better idea of the VGA range. I airbrush the tops of my bottles so they're easier to distinguish. This is on a white primer with a satin varnish... unless I took the pic before the varnish, which I may have done.

**gorgon**

Nice! Looks like they go on reasonably flat. I tried some Minitaire recently and couldn't believe how glossy-looking it was.