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assume a unit of 3.
do i... choose a target, roll for scatter, reroll if i dont like it since its twin linked, place marker and then roll to place 5 more templates around the first?

also...

a model can be hit multiple times if its covered by multiple templates right?

is this right?
sorry, its been awhile for me

On the special rules section there's a how-to on how to handle multiple blasts (it's like 4/5 of the way through the rules).

You fire, scatter, and count how many are hit. You do this however many times, then you add up all your to hits scored and then proceed to roll those for wounds.

A model can be hit by multiple blasts, total up the hits and apply to the unit using the centre of the first blast for the "origin" for wound allocation purposes.

And stormshard mortary thingumms are Heavy 2 and each Wyvern has 2 of such, so that's 11 rather than 5 more templates...

 victorydeluxe wrote:
On the special rules section there's a how-to on how to handle multiple blasts (it's like 4/5 of the way through the rules).

You fire, scatter, and count how many are hit. You do this however many times, then you add up all your to hits scored and then proceed to roll those for wounds.

Except this is not the process for the Stormshard Mortar.

The Stormshard Mortar is not just a blast weapon, it is Barrage as well, so you use the barrage rules to fire all of the Stormshard Mortars in the squadron.

Check the barrage rules for the full process, but basically you roll to hit, use the Twin Linked re-roll if you want to, then any subsequent shots will be placed adjacent and touching that first blast marker in the direction of the scatter die. On a hit you can place it adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, then you roll the scatter die for the subsequent shots to place them adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, rinse and repeat. This is a quick summary of the process.

for the full rules check the barrage rules.

 Quanar wrote:
total up the hits and apply to the unit using the centre of the first blast for the "origin" for wound allocation purposes.

Isn't it from the firer? In the wound allocation section it says to allocate wounds from the wound pool to the enemy model closest to the firing unit. I believe it reiterates this in the section for multiple blasts as well under special rules.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 victorydeluxe wrote:
On the special rules section there's a how-to on how to handle multiple blasts (it's like 4/5 of the way through the rules).

You fire, scatter, and count how many are hit. You do this however many times, then you add up all your to hits scored and then proceed to roll those for wounds.

Except this is not the process for the Stormshard Mortar.

The Stormshard Mortar is not just a blast weapon, it is Barrage as well, so you use the barrage rules to fire all of the Stormshard Mortars in the squadron.

Check the barrage rules for the full process, but basically you roll to hit, use the Twin Linked re-roll if you want to, then any subsequent shots will be placed adjacent and touching that first blast marker in the direction of the scatter die. On a hit you can place it adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, then you roll the scatter die for the subsequent shots to place them adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, rinse and repeat. This is a quick summary of the process.

for the full rules check the barrage rules.

I don't have the AM codex, the way OP wrote it I assumed it was just multiple blasts.

Well, now I know!

It would be from the firer but it is barrage so it uses the center of the marker for wound allocation.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 victorydeluxe wrote:
On the special rules section there's a how-to on how to handle multiple blasts (it's like 4/5 of the way through the rules).

You fire, scatter, and count how many are hit. You do this however many times, then you add up all your to hits scored and then proceed to roll those for wounds.

Except this is not the process for the Stormshard Mortar.

The Stormshard Mortar is not just a blast weapon, it is Barrage as well, so you use the barrage rules to fire all of the Stormshard Mortars in the squadron.

Check the barrage rules for the full process, but basically you roll to hit, use the Twin Linked re-roll if you want to, then any subsequent shots will be placed adjacent and touching that first blast marker in the direction of the scatter die. On a hit you can place it adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, then you roll the scatter die for the subsequent shots to place them adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, rinse and repeat. This is a quick summary of the process.

for the full rules check the barrage rules.

Almost correct. Note that hits can be placed touching any previously placed blast marker, not just the first, so you can daisy chain with the hits. Only the arrows must be placed adjacent to the first one. OH yeah, and all those blasts after the first can also reroll to hit thanks to twin-linked. Once all markers are placed, count up the number covered and roll to wound (with a reroll due to shred). Per new multiple barrage rules, casualties/cover are determined from the center of the first blast marker.

 don_mondo wrote:
OH yeah, and all those blasts after the first can also reroll to hit thanks to twin-linked.

Debatable.
Only the initial marker is said to Scatter.
The subsiquent markers do not Scatter (that involves a scatter dice, 2D6 and lots of funky rules), they are simply placed using a scatter dice (note the difference between Scatter and scatter dice).
Twin-linked also states that you must re-roll the 2D6 as well. Something that can't be done, because it wasn't a Scatter.

 don_mondo wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 victorydeluxe wrote:
On the special rules section there's a how-to on how to handle multiple blasts (it's like 4/5 of the way through the rules).

You fire, scatter, and count how many are hit. You do this however many times, then you add up all your to hits scored and then proceed to roll those for wounds.

Except this is not the process for the Stormshard Mortar.

The Stormshard Mortar is not just a blast weapon, it is Barrage as well, so you use the barrage rules to fire all of the Stormshard Mortars in the squadron.

Check the barrage rules for the full process, but basically you roll to hit, use the Twin Linked re-roll if you want to, then any subsequent shots will be placed adjacent and touching that first blast marker in the direction of the scatter die. On a hit you can place it adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, then you roll the scatter die for the subsequent shots to place them adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, rinse and repeat. This is a quick summary of the process.

for the full rules check the barrage rules.

Almost correct. Note that hits can be placed touching any previously placed blast marker, not just the first, so you can daisy chain with the hits. Only the arrows must be placed adjacent to the first one. OH yeah, and all those blasts after the first can also reroll to hit thanks to twin-linked. Once all markers are placed, count up the number covered and roll to wound (with a reroll due to shred). Per new multiple barrage rules, casualties/cover are determined from the center of the first blast marker.

I was accurate in my quick summary and noted that you need to check the barrage rules for the full rules. there are other steps that I didnt cover because it was a quick summary.

Wait when Barrage fires directly you still take from the center of the blast correct? Not like the closest model? Meaning it's always the closest model to the center of the blast?

Hollismason wrote:
Wait when Barrage fires directly you still take from the center of the blast correct? Not like the closest model? Meaning it's always the closest model to the center of the blast?

Yes, direct or indirect it's always closest to the blast marker.

now that i know how they work... how well do they work? any experience with them?

grendel083 wrote:

 don_mondo wrote:
OH yeah, and all those blasts after the first can also reroll to hit thanks to twin-linked.

Debatable.
Only the initial marker is said to Scatter.
The subsiquent markers do not Scatter (that involves a scatter dice, 2D6 and lots of funky rules), they are simply placed using a scatter dice (note the difference between Scatter and scatter dice).
Twin-linked also states that you must re-roll the 2D6 as well. Something that can't be done, because it wasn't a Scatter.

Long thread on this somewhere around here. In that thread it's also pointed out that GWs article on the Wyvern in WD did state that you got to reroll the subsequent scatters. Sure, it's WD and not a proper FAQ, but it is an answer.

DeathReaper wrote:

 don_mondo wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 victorydeluxe wrote:
On the special rules section there's a how-to on how to handle multiple blasts (it's like 4/5 of the way through the rules).

You fire, scatter, and count how many are hit. You do this however many times, then you add up all your to hits scored and then proceed to roll those for wounds.

Except this is not the process for the Stormshard Mortar.

The Stormshard Mortar is not just a blast weapon, it is Barrage as well, so you use the barrage rules to fire all of the Stormshard Mortars in the squadron.

Check the barrage rules for the full process, but basically you roll to hit, use the Twin Linked re-roll if you want to, then any subsequent shots will be placed adjacent and touching that first blast marker in the direction of the scatter die. On a hit you can place it adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, then you roll the scatter die for the subsequent shots to place them adjacent and touching or directly over the first marker or touching a portion of the first marker, rinse and repeat. This is a quick summary of the process.

for the full rules check the barrage rules.

Almost correct. Note that hits can be placed touching any previously placed blast marker, not just the first, so you can daisy chain with the hits. Only the arrows must be placed adjacent to the first one. OH yeah, and all those blasts after the first can also reroll to hit thanks to twin-linked. Once all markers are placed, count up the number covered and roll to wound (with a reroll due to shred). Per new multiple barrage rules, casualties/cover are determined from the center of the first blast marker.

I was accurate in my quick summary and noted that you need to check the barrage rules for the full rules. there are other steps that I didnt cover because it was a quick summary.

Well, other than the bit about all the markers having to touch the first one, sure....

That is why I said "for the full rules check the barrage rules." This indicated that there were missing parts and not the full rules...

i thought under the new rules you place first blast, tally hits, resolve wounds, then move on to second blast.

 deviantduck wrote:
i thought under the new rules you place first blast, tally hits, resolve wounds, then move on to second blast.

That is correct for blast weapons, but the Wyvern is a Barrage weapon, it works a bit differently.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
now that i know how they work... how well do they work? any experience with them?

They're pretty amazing for deleting any xenos infantry squad. Due to the ridiculousness of the barrage rules (shot comes from the center of the marker) they are fantastic at sniping out characters or heavy weapons.

Trasvi wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
now that i know how they work... how well do they work? any experience with them?

They're pretty amazing for deleting any xenos infantry squad. Due to the ridiculousness of the barrage rules (shot comes from the center of the marker) they are fantastic at sniping out characters or heavy weapons.

Not just Xenos but Marines and Daemons too. For 195 points you're getting 12 S4 blasts that reroll just about anything. They should wipe a unit of 5 Terminators or 10 Marines with each volley, basically meaning they earn their points back pretty much wvety single turn they fire. There is not a more points efficient AI unit in the entire game.

Usernamesareannoying, just in case you missed it, I thought there are two twin linked mortars per wyvern, giving a total of 4 blast templates. A unit of three should give 12. That's what I remember it to be but I do not own e codex.


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Maybe 12 blasts can sway the vote towards good? If you were already considering them when they were 6 blasts.


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And ignores cover. So no jink against wyvern. Pretty decent I'd say, but I have not played against them before.

I saw a unit of two of them go to town against a khorn bloodletter army. It was absurd. They pretty much wiped out a unit a turn. *shudder*

I run an infantry heavy eldar army that depends on its cover saves, so these tanks are pretty much a hard counter to what I'm trying to do.

Answer:
A Void shield network, they are now quite powerful.

I played 6 the other day (3 units of 2). I felt dirty.

Mad_Proctologist wrote:
I played 6 the other day (3 units of 2). I felt dirty.

Geeze I felt dirty playing with just two, I can't even imagine playing with 6.

Yes they are very much worth it. 65 points for 4 X-link, shredding blasts. Beats the pants off a 60 point heavy weapon squad with 3 mortars.

Basically its a better version of a TFC for 35 points less and the TFC is one of the strongest HS slots available to marines...

Only downside is the Mortars are split between two seperate weapons.
So if it moves, it's firepower is halved.

 grendel083 wrote:
Only downside is the Mortars are split between two seperate weapons.
So if it moves, it's firepower is halved.

But on the plus side, a weapon destroyed only takes out half its firepower.

Compare to the TFC or a Mortar team and the fact you get half your firepower when moving is no downside at all.