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2014/09/16 06:40:30
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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As the title says, if you could have one Forgeworld item be released as a standard GW item, what would you choose? Also, additional question, what do you think would make that not happen?
I will start off. I would like to see the Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought to see general release. I think they look cooler than the regular dreads and helbrutes. Also, they appear to have many more options for customization. There are a number of factors preventing their release(besides the obvious fact that if GW wanted to release them, they would have). First, they are bigger than the standard dread, and including all the different arm choices would be very expensive if not cost prohibitive. Secondly, they are vastly better than the standard dread, even at their points costs. People might stop buying the standard dread if the price (both in points and money) was right. Thirdly, they are supposed to be rare! It wouldn't make much sense for them to be all that common.
What items would you guys like to see?
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
30K 2500 pts |
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2014/09/16 06:45:35
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Terrifying Doombull
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Death korps Of Krieg range for one would be good to see as a "standard" GW release, well because the soldiers of Krieg sums up what I like to imgien the humble foot soldier in the 41th millenium would look like well outside of Cadian and simmilar equiped regiments that is. They are also noteably much much more enjoyebal to pain and work with as a whole. And they preform good enough on the table too.
Well it wont happen because they are a FW limited regiment, and currently produced in resin so the transition to plastic would perhaps lessen their uniq look and feel??
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2014/09/16 08:38:04
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Douglas Bader
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None of the above. Resin is better than plastic, so a "general release" would mean sacrificing quality and therefore have no purpose.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2014/09/16 08:44:29
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Peregrine wrote:None of the above. Resin is better than plastic, so a "general release" would mean sacrificing quality and therefore have no purpose.
That's debatable. It isn't called Failcast for nothing. Though I don't have much experience with Forgeworld's products (cost prohibitive, the Mrs. already is unhappy with my expenditures). If the quality vastly better than GW's Finecast, then I can see your point.
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5250 pts
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Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
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2014/09/16 08:55:32
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Douglas Bader
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Failcast is not resin. Failcast is garbage blobbed into something vaguely resembling a model and sold at obscene prices. Real resin is much harder, doesn't deform under its own weight, doesn't have fine detail crumble away as soon as you touch it with anything stiffer than a paintbrush, and doesn't have the constant bubbles.
If the quality vastly better than GW's Finecast, then I can see your point.
It is. Both the material itself and quality control in the casting process are vastly superior to finecast.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2014/09/16 09:07:07
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Peregrine wrote:
Failcast is not resin. Failcast is garbage blobbed into something vaguely resembling a model and sold at obscene prices. Real resin is much harder, doesn't deform under its own weight, doesn't have fine detail crumble away as soon as you touch it with anything stiffer than a paintbrush, and doesn't have the constant bubbles.
If the quality vastly better than GW's Finecast, then I can see your point.
It is. Both the material itself and quality control in the casting process are vastly superior to finecast.
Hmm, I will take that under advisement. Still, the main issue with Forgeworld is that they are so costly. A Contemptor Mortis will set you back $100, which is a pretty premium price for a single item. I haven't even priced out stuff like a Fire Raptor or Caestus Assault Ram. If they could get the same quality as the resin in plastic (probably close to impossible), but at a reduced price, I would be all over it.
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
30K 2500 pts |
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2014/09/16 09:08:14
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Dakka Veteran
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I'd like to see the forgeworld mega dread released for standard gw. Its about the size of the orkanauts and has many unique and random weapons of mass destruction. Also it comes in 2 flavors, standard and mek. Its also cheaper than the orkanauts.
But with the orkanauts release, gw probably won't consider anymore ork dreads or walkers period.
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2014/09/16 09:11:54
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Douglas Bader
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casvalremdeikun wrote:If they could get the same quality as the resin in plastic (probably close to impossible), but at a reduced price, I would be all over it.
It can't be done, at least with GW's plastic methods. Injection molding simply has technical limits that prevent you from doing some of the things (undercuts, fine detail) that are easy to do in resin. So a plastic kit will either have lower quality or will have way too many pieces (especially tiny delicate pieces) to be practical for a game piece aimed at an audience that isn't composed of obsessive veteran model builders.
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2014/09/16 09:35:29
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Death Korps or Heresy Marines (just a plastic set of some mkII-VI armour parts and bolters, and some HH type heavy/special weapons). I agree that Resin holds more detail (and only slightly more these days) than plastic, but for an army I'd rather have the multi-part compatibility, conversion scope and less intensive cleanup of plastic.
In both cases, though, GW would believe it would cannibalise existing ranges, but not realise they'd easily sell more plastic DKoK than Cadians.
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2014/09/16 09:56:53
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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this many responses and no THUNDERHAWWWK... im amazed
but yeah not sure what id want from FW as a "general" release item.
ohh i know, their books. and the way their books are done replicated by " GW".
i use " " because the companies are one and the same, but yeah the way the HH books are done are amazing. that kind of thing for LE books and maybe just doing the other books the way FW do them,
um happy enough with the models staying their (expensive as they are).
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CSM 20,000 Pts
Daemons 4,000 (ish)
WoC over 10,000
6000+ Pts
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2014/09/16 11:08:42
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Ship's Officer
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The Arvus lighter, aka space shuttle in the next generation!
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2014/09/16 12:43:45
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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A Fire Raptor, since CSM could finally get some decent AA without experimental rules
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My armies:
Eldar
Necron
Chaos Space Marines
Grey Knights
Imperial Knights
Death Guard
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2014/09/16 12:59:02
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Missionary On A Mission
Australia
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Avenger Strike Fighter - I think it's an awesome looking model, but the price is a bit tough to swallow. Giving it a plastic kit at least and including it in the Guard and Sisters codices would have me insta-buying it.
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2014/09/16 13:00:18
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Confident Goblin Boss
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Thunderhawk. Never would use one but awesome model!
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2014/09/16 13:29:28
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Tunneling Trygon
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The Elysian Drop Troops line would be my first choice to see in the wider 40k range since it is so at odds with traditional Guard armies of 'TANKS!! TANKS AND BODIES FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!' I'd have Dune Buggies in everything..
But me personally, I wish Eldar Hornets were easier to get a hold of. Last bit of 'need' for my Eldar list and picking up three of them isn't friendly on my empty wallet. But I really want to replace the Vypers and Falcon in my list with Hornets.
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2014/09/16 13:46:28
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Failcast is not resin. Failcast is garbage blobbed into something vaguely resembling a model and sold at obscene prices. Real resin is much harder, doesn't deform under its own weight, doesn't have fine detail crumble away as soon as you touch it with anything stiffer than a paintbrush, and doesn't have the constant bubbles.
It's possible that failcast is a urethane, but it's not likely. The fact that the biggest complaint was air bubbles tells me they picked a very cheap resin that cures too fast to properly degass. That and improperly designed molds are how you get air bubbles in the first place. Resin can and will do all the things you listed under the right circumstances.
It can't be done, at least with GW's plastic methods.
It can be done and with a lot less modification than you think. I've designed more complex items for injection molding than that mega-dread and had no issues. Would it need to be altered slightly? Yes. Would it need to come in more pieces? Yes. However it wouldn't nearly be the mess you're thinking of. Ten years ago I'd have agreed with you, but not now.
Personally, I'd like to see some of the Mechanicus stuff or a Warhound. I know, I know! Dreaming on the Warhound front and that kit WOULD be a nightmare, but man would a plastic Chaos Warhound rock! lol
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Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug
Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..." |
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2014/09/16 13:55:44
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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I would like to see a boxed game for Aeronautica Imperialis (or however it is spelled) kind of like the box for Dread Fleet. A cool cloth mat for a playing surface, plastic terrain/targets and aircraft for a couple of factions, along with the rules and stuff you need to play.
The game looked really cool, but it was a bit too expensive for me to jump into. I would love a chance to do so at a reasonable price.
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2014/09/16 15:05:38
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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Those Death Korps gun tractors.
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2014/09/16 17:41:19
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Humorless Arbite
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DKOK Death Riders in plastic... I so want the models but the price!
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2014/09/16 17:55:25
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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While I want to see plastic/cheaper DKOK, I fear what GW proper would do with them.
Forgeworld make realistic scale models, GW make bobbleheaded scale models. I don't really want to see bobbleheaded DKOK.
I would like to see the Thunderbolt though (along with rules that don't completely suck balls).
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2014/09/16 18:24:31
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Really hard to pick Forge World has really picked up the baton from GW as far as making really great models. Shame I hate resin so much....
So let me limit the question not to what I want to see, but what I would run out and buy the next day.
The Aquilla Lander is the first thing that comes to mind. Just gorgeous and so much better than the Storm Whatevers GW is making.
The Arvus Lighter for the same reasons, not gorgeous but oh so blocky and practical looking.
The Thunderbolt is also one of the few resin models I have been on the verge or ordering.
And of course the Death Korps, the mechanicus, HH marines and the upcoming Solar Aux, but I have so many infantry right now I doubt I'd buy in large numbers. Maybe if my house burned down and I had to start again.
And as far things I would just want to know I could get, well the Reaver has to head that list.
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2014/09/16 18:35:38
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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The original lightning, or the thunderbolt.
if i had to choose, then i will choose the thunderbolt.
and please make damn guardsmen that come with the respirator upgrade packs. The price is ridiculous for those, at least the flyers and vehicles make at least somewhat sense with their pricing, but even then "sense" is very relative in this circumstance.
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2014/09/16 18:42:27
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Lieutenant General
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CptJake wrote:I would like to see a boxed game for Aeronautica Imperialis (or however it is spelled) kind of like the box for Dread Fleet. A cool cloth mat for a playing surface, plastic terrain/targets and aircraft for a couple of factions, along with the rules and stuff you need to play.
The game looked really cool, but it was a bit too expensive for me to jump into. I would love a chance to do so at a reasonable price.
Sounds like you want 'Bommerz Over da Sulphur River'.
Personally I want a Necron Tesseract Ark.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2014/09/16 18:48:46
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Ghaz wrote: CptJake wrote:I would like to see a boxed game for Aeronautica Imperialis (or however it is spelled) kind of like the box for Dread Fleet. A cool cloth mat for a playing surface, plastic terrain/targets and aircraft for a couple of factions, along with the rules and stuff you need to play.
The game looked really cool, but it was a bit too expensive for me to jump into. I would love a chance to do so at a reasonable price.
Sounds like you want 'Bommerz Over da Sulphur River'.
Personally I want a Necron Tesseract Ark.
hey man, battle over the Ruhr in 40k would be awesome .
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2014/09/16 19:04:05
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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Ghaz wrote: CptJake wrote:I would like to see a boxed game for Aeronautica Imperialis (or however it is spelled) kind of like the box for Dread Fleet. A cool cloth mat for a playing surface, plastic terrain/targets and aircraft for a couple of factions, along with the rules and stuff you need to play.
The game looked really cool, but it was a bit too expensive for me to jump into. I would love a chance to do so at a reasonable price.
Sounds like you want 'Bommerz Over da Sulphur River'.
Have it, and no, that is not what I was hoping for.
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2014/09/16 19:21:08
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Ghaz wrote: CptJake wrote:I would like to see a boxed game for Aeronautica Imperialis (or however it is spelled) kind of like the box for Dread Fleet. A cool cloth mat for a playing surface, plastic terrain/targets and aircraft for a couple of factions, along with the rules and stuff you need to play.
The game looked really cool, but it was a bit too expensive for me to jump into. I would love a chance to do so at a reasonable price.
Sounds like you want 'Bommerz Over da Sulphur River'.
Personally I want a Necron Tesseract Ark.
Or, ya know, Aeronautica Imperialis. It's been a while since I played bommerz over da sulpher river, but I don't think it was as good as Aeronautica Imperialis.
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2014/09/16 20:30:53
Subject: Re:If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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It is so adorable! Almost as adorable as Forgeworld's magma dragon or Tau stealth suits :3
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2014/09/16 20:46:13
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Tough call. Aquila, Repressor, Avenger, in that order.
Simply because the Avenger and the Repressor are easily converted from existing GW plastics.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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2014/09/16 22:17:55
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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Zone Mortalis. It's such a cool set I'd like to see it in a bigger release, maybe in a 2x2 fashion like the realm of battle boards
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2014/09/16 22:35:45
Subject: If you could have one Forgeworld item see general release, what would it be?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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The DE Tantalus would be a very cool kit in plastic I think.
I'd like to see the Medusa and Griffon and Bombard/Collossus back in the main range.
Having the Rapier and Thudd Gun (and associated similar units) back in the main line since it got cut in the 3E reboot would be cool.
I'd like to see the Barracuda in the main Tau line, I have no clue why the didn't snag that, instead of the stupid looking "pirhana with wings" flyers they went with.
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