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Hey. I just play a fun list - green tide against Chao!

When I just assult onto chao marine unit with warlord attach to unit.

Warlord issue a challenging on my greentide and my opponent told me I have to accept challenge. My Nob die. Not allow to assult on warlord so I assult his unit instead! Wipe out chao marine... Still locked with warlord, his turn - warlord issue challenging again and kill other Nob... My Boyz do not allow to fight with warlord because warlord had been challenged my Nob but my 100 Boyz unable to do anything! And the result - 0-1. Then my opponent said I have to leadership test for sweeping advance... I thought " what? One vs 100?" Then I say Mobz Rulez! Fearless! ( I know I know.... Bad habit from Old codex! Oops!)

My green tide are locked in combat with single enemy who keeping issue a challenging every single game turn...

After read new codex, mobz rulez do not give my BoyZ fearless...
I just thought...

Is it possible to wipe out the green tide with sweeping advance?!

Since they are not fearless, then yes you could lose due to sweeping advance.

However a key point here is you should retread the rules regarding challenges. Read the entire section, as there are a couple things your opponent told you that are incorrect.

Challenges do not work like that anymore. You 100 boyz would attack his warlord.

CC works differently in 7th. Wounds can spill out of and into challenges, and your boys are allowed to hit a challenger if there is nothing else to attack.

Per the BRB (digital edition, so I can't quote page numbers):

"“Outside Forces
Whilst the challenge is ongoing, other models locked in the combat can only allocate Wounds to the models involved in the challenge after all other enemy models that are locked in that combat (if any) have been removed as casualties, even if the models fighting in a challenge are the closest "

So, unless I am missing something, you cannot hit a model in a challenge, but only allocate wounds once you run out of other models to allocate them to. If there are no other models to hit, you cannot generate wounds to roll over to the model in the challenge.

I think its worth noting that in close combat as long as you have characters and sufficient units size the Mob rule will prevent you from failing morale in combat and will kill a few boyz instead

Firstly, challenges have changed. You can strike the guyz in challenges if there's noone else to strike and allocate extra wounds to them as well. Just read the challenge part in the BRB.

Secondly, if you have at least 1 character and >10 models in a squad, you can't get a failed result via mob rule.

And thirdly, you're not forced to accept challenges. Only Warboss in this formation must accept challenges and if he's not within fighting range (2' within the b2b model), he can't challenge or be challenged out.

Strtkwr wrote:
Per the BRB (digital edition, so I can't quote page numbers):

"“Outside Forces
Whilst the challenge is ongoing, other models locked in the combat can only allocate Wounds to the models involved in the challenge after all other enemy models that are locked in that combat (if any) have been removed as casualties, even if the models fighting in a challenge are the closest "

So, unless I am missing something, you cannot hit a model in a challenge, but only allocate wounds once you run out of other models to allocate them to. If there are no other models to hit, you cannot generate wounds to roll over to the model in the challenge.

I initially thought it was played like that too. Turns out that challenges aren't a safe haven any more

Strtkwr wrote:
Per the BRB (digital edition, so I can't quote page numbers):

"“Outside Forces
Whilst the challenge is ongoing, other models locked in the combat can only allocate Wounds to the models involved in the challenge after all other enemy models that are locked in that combat (if any) have been removed as casualties, even if the models fighting in a challenge are the closest "

So, unless I am missing something, you cannot hit a model in a challenge, but only allocate wounds once you run out of other models to allocate them to. If there are no other models to hit, you cannot generate wounds to roll over to the model in the challenge.

Nothing about challenges prevent you from rolling to hit. Challenges only prevented you from allocating wounds into a challenge, which Outside Forces gets around.

And it's also worth pointing out that you can only issue ONE challenge per close combat, so he can't really keep challenging the tide to keep killing your nobs and warboss.

 big mek crazygit wrote:
And it's also worth pointing out that you can only issue ONE challenge per close combat, so he can't really keep challenging the tide to keep killing your nobs and warboss.

If the Ork characters keep dying there's nothing to prevent further challenges being issued in subsequent turns.
Unless it's changed from 6th.

Trust me, it has. I don't exactly remember the page number of where it states it, but it is there.

 big mek crazygit wrote:
Trust me, it has. I don't exactly remember the page number of where it states it, but it is there.

The wording is the same as it was in 6ed

 big mek crazygit wrote:
Trust me, it has. I don't exactly remember the page number of where it states it, but it is there.

I would rather trust the Rulebook which says otherwise.

 big mek crazygit wrote:
Trust me, it has. I don't exactly remember the page number of where it states it, but it is there.

It's not there. As long as there are characters, he can challenge.
Nothing has changed from 6th.

AS above. Big mek is incorrect on this, others should not trust them

Yeah Chao warlord killing two Nob per game turn ( one Chao combat turn and one my turn )

Until in 5th game turn the 8th Nobs dying and Chao warlord ran out of Challenging because 2 Nobz and Warboss are too far, back of the Greentide. ( good Job!)

My boyz wipe off this dirty smirk face off the Chao Warlord face! Too bad I only got Victory point from warlord and Chao got 14 VP.. I only have one unit!

Can I refused my opponent a challenge even if they told me that I cannot refuse?
If this was true then I should have won a game because in first close combat I allow to kill that warlord without use up my power-klaw Nobz.

Solidcrash wrote:
Can I refused my opponent a challenge even if they told me that I cannot refuse?
If this was true then I should have won a game because in first close combat I allow to kill that warlord without use up my power-klaw Nobz.

Yes you can refuse, as long as there's no extra rule that prevents it (if your opponenet has one, ask him to show it to you).

But bare in mind the "Biggest an' da Best" rule from the Green Tide, if the Warboss in there is your Warlord.

 grendel083 wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Can I refused my opponent a challenge even if they told me that I cannot refuse?
If this was true then I should have won a game because in first close combat I allow to kill that warlord without use up my power-klaw Nobz.

Yes you can refuse, as long as there's no extra rule that prevents it (if your opponenet has one, ask him to show it to you).

But bare in mind the "Biggest an' da Best" rule from the Green Tide, if the Warboss in there is your Warlord.

Yeah His Chao Warlord must issue and accept a challenge whenever possible, and My Warboss are about 12" away. Too far correct?

Solidcrash wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Can I refused my opponent a challenge even if they told me that I cannot refuse?
If this was true then I should have won a game because in first close combat I allow to kill that warlord without use up my power-klaw Nobz.

Yes you can refuse, as long as there's no extra rule that prevents it (if your opponenet has one, ask him to show it to you).

But bare in mind the "Biggest an' da Best" rule from the Green Tide, if the Warboss in there is your Warlord.

Yeah His Chao Warlord must issue and accept a challenge whenever possible, and My Warboss are about 12" away. Too far correct?

Corect. If you're too far away to attack, you can't issue/accept challenges.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
AS above. Big mek is incorrect on this, others should not trust them

Ey, 'dat ain't nice.

Nevertheless, if you all don't believe me, check page 101 in the text under "Issuing a Challenge". There's a bolded line stating what I mentioned.

Bah... I should have this joy just like this part from Planet of the Ape!




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 big mek crazygit wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
AS above. Big mek is incorrect on this, others should not trust them

Ey, 'dat ain't nice.

Nevertheless, if you all don't believe me, check page 101 in the text under "Issuing a Challenge". There's a bolded line stating what I mentioned.

yeah saw it. only once per close combat phase. that mean unit vs unit, since I only have one unit

 big mek crazygit wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
AS above. Big mek is incorrect on this, others should not trust them

Ey, 'dat ain't nice.

Nevertheless, if you all don't believe me, check page 101 in the text under "Issuing a Challenge". There's a bolded line stating what I mentioned.

If you continue reading that rule (in particular the third paragraph) you'll see why you were not correct.

Once one challenge is over, you can issue another one.

"Once one challenge has been made, no further challenges can be issued in that combat that turn. If the challenge is accepted (see opposite), no further challenges can be issued until that challenge has been resolved."

 grendel083 wrote:

 big mek crazygit wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
AS above. Big mek is incorrect on this, others should not trust them

Ey, 'dat ain't nice.

Nevertheless, if you all don't believe me, check page 101 in the text under "Issuing a Challenge". There's a bolded line stating what I mentioned.

If you continue reading that rule (in particular the third paragraph) you'll see why you were not correct.

Once one challenge is over, you can issue another one.

"Once one challenge has been made, no further challenges can be issued in that combat that turn. If the challenge is accepted (see opposite), no further challenges can be issued until that challenge has been resolved."

I stand corrected then.

The smiley was supposed to make it nicer

As above, this is the exact same rule as in 6th, and if you just read the first line you think it means for the whole combat, as they used a poor choice of words.

Yeah. Once per unit who are locked in combat. Or it would be suicidal that I have to sent this single model to kill all ten nob with power klaw and warboss with power klaw!! I would be tabled in my own second turn(!)

It would still be suicide as all your other Nobz and Boyz still get to hit him. I wonder how 90 boyz and all those Nobz didn't finish him off in the first round?

 FlingitNow wrote:
It would still be suicide as all your other Nobz and Boyz still get to hit him. I wonder how 90 boyz and all those Nobz didn't finish him off in the first round?

That was because He issue a challenge in every combat turn. I refuse his challenge because he had a advantage ( high initiative while my nobs has initiative of one.)

He said I cannot refuse challenge and had to challenge him instead. I want to attack him with my boyz, he said I am not allow to do that. Bah I give in and carry on with it.

if the opponent had just their warlord...

Outside Forces Whilst the challenge is ongoing, other models locked in the combat can only allocate Wounds to the models involved in the challenge after all other enemy models that are locked in that combat (if any) have been removed as casualties, even if the models fighting in a challenge are the closest models.


all of your other models could attack it, even if it is in a challenge with one of your other models.

You can also refuse the challenge, or accept with any character model (nob) if you want and have the rest just beat down the chaos lord.

Yes he issues a challenge you accept. He kills the Nob, then your boyz and Nobz kill him. Challenges no longer stop attacks going into or out of them. They are effectively just character sniping now.