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Is there an imperial, loyalist counterpart similar to what abbadon is for Chaos?

I would imagine that would be Kaldor Draigo.

No-one has the same level over overall command over the imperial forces, or is as much of a figurehead for the cause. Marneus Calgar or Logan Grimnar would probably be the closest analogs. Creed maybe, but he's a pure commander rather than a beefy superwarrior.

In terms of brutishness (And cool evil-ness), probably Asterion Moloc.

In terms of military power and command, Marneus Calgar.

Asterion Calgar would be the chap you're looking for.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
No-one has the same level over overall command over the imperial forces, or is as much of a figurehead for the cause. Marneus Calgar or Logan Grimnar would probably be the closest analogs. Creed maybe, but he's a pure commander rather than a beefy superwarrior.

These. Calgar's probably the most direct analogue, although Creed and then Grimnar would be honourable mentions. They're all still outclassed (fluff-wise) by Abaddon though.

Grand Master Azrael. He has power over the largest number of Space Marines in the galaxy. Every Dark Angels successor chapter is answerable to him, and if he calls on them, they will join his cause.

 tommse wrote:
Is there an imperial, loyalist counterpart similar to what abbadon is for Chaos?

Sigismund.

Creed for sure. They're both as close as you get to having complete command over their respective factions.

Sure, Abaddon is more physically capable, but then again Creed doesn't need to personally fight because Tactical Genius!

The Master of the Administratum?

According to Lexicanum, the highest military rank in the Imperium is the Lord Commander Militant, who has a seat as High Lords of Terra. He is mostly concerned with bureaucratic and administrative tasks, and military operations are handled by the Lord Commanders, who each are in charge of one of the segmentums. So those would be the closest analogues to Abaddon in terms of overall command.

Was gonna say something along the same lines. No marine has the same level of control (which is the whole point of chapters). It'd be some guard Militant/Solar.

Lord Solar Macharius. He may be dead now, but has been around within the last 600 years. He led a crusade as large as Abaddons... and actually achieved stuff - so I guess he's not the equivalent after all.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
The Master of the Administratum?

Whether you're being pedantic or joking it does fit better than it should.

After all while Chaos relies on evil, cunning and violence the Imperium is ultimately fed by bureaucracy. Don't care how big your thunderwolf is, if those Guard boys don't their requisition forms stamped you're going home in a body bag.

 Jape wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:
The Master of the Administratum?

Whether you're being pedantic or joking it does fit better than it should.

After all while Chaos relies on evil, cunning and violence the Imperium is ultimately fed by bureaucracy. Don't care how big your thunderwolf is, if those Guard boys don't their requisition forms stamped you're going home in a body bag.

Why does my post suggest pedantry or jokiness?

I was being neither, thank you very much. I was posing a question in response to the OP, would it be the Master of the Administratum, as the most powerful of the High Lords.

They might not have any where near Abaddons level of combat prowess but they certainly have as much authority and power as he does.

Screw the Space Marines.

Admiral Ravenburg, commander of Battlefleet Gothic. He's the guy with probably the most direct military power in the Imperium. He also defeated the 13th Black Crusade...

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Jape wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:
The Master of the Administratum?

Whether you're being pedantic or joking it does fit better than it should.

After all while Chaos relies on evil, cunning and violence the Imperium is ultimately fed by bureaucracy. Don't care how big your thunderwolf is, if those Guard boys don't their requisition forms stamped you're going home in a body bag.

Why does my post suggest pedantry or jokiness?

I was being neither, thank you very much.

Didn't mean to offend, apologies.

 Still Standing wrote:
Screw the Space Marines.

Admiral Ravenburg, commander of Battlefleet Gothic. He's the guy with probably the most direct military power in the Imperium. He also defeated the 13th Black Crusade...

Space Forces...... There's still the ground war to worry about.

Lord Solar Macharius really is. Sure he was a normal human, conquered far more territory, and is dead, but he's the closest. Both have the huge, never ending crusade as their MO, both brought together a massive part of their faction, but still not all of it, both are charismatic leaders who lead from the front, not paper pushers, and unlike loyalist SM's who only ever have authority over their own chapters, Macharius, like Abaddon, was actually the supreme authority over his entire forces.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 Still Standing wrote:
Screw the Space Marines.

Admiral Ravenburg, commander of Battlefleet Gothic. He's the guy with probably the most direct military power in the Imperium. He also defeated the 13th Black Crusade...

Space Forces...... There's still the ground war to worry about.

And as soon as the Imperium realises that Cadia is lost (if and when it is), what do you think happens then? Battlefleet Gothic glasses the planet. The remaining forces have no real supply lines, bar the relatively small amounts they can summon from the warp. They have no reinforcements. They have no air support. Yes, they have a foothold, but that only lasts so long against air and space supremacy. It's not even like they can perform a guerrilla war as they cannot hide from the Imperium's technology, or blend in with the locals.

Aun'Va!

 Nemo of Vulkan wrote:

 tommse wrote:
Is there an imperial, loyalist counterpart similar to what abbadon is for Chaos?

Sigismund.

abbadon kills Sigismund, just saying

I'm not sure about Calgar... Does he have the far-reaching reputation and authority over his side that Abbaddon has over his? Of course, he's an important guy in the Imperium, but I'm not sure he is to the majority of Imperial forces what Abbaddon is to the Chaos side.

I think I'd vote for Creed, if anyone. Given that he's directly opposed to Abbaddon in the struggle for Cadia, and presumably has overall command over the IG (thus most of the Imperial side).

I think fluff wise, Bjorn comes the closest. While he does not lead often, it seems everyone will kneel to him and heed his words. The imperium gets all swoony when around someone who walked with a primarch.

Command wise, probably Calgar, then Logan. Calgar having the command over a huge force, and Logan having the charisma and reputation to rally those to his aid.

There is no loyalist counterpart.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
Command wise, probably Calgar, then Logan. Calgar having the command over a huge force, and Logan having the charisma and reputation to rally those to his aid.

Or Commander Dante of the Blood Angels. If two other First Founding Chapters (Salamanders and Ultramarines) can agree that he should be in command of the marines on Armageddon he's certainly in the running.

The Imperium doesn't have a counterpart to Abaddon.

They would have collapsed already due to the enormous pressure they are constantly under if they had anyone that incompetent in charge of their military. Zing!

There are 2 things to consider here when discussing Abbaddon here. First is his pure physical power as a battlefield badass. My choice for his physical counter part would be Castellan Crowe. I think that in a duel he is the only Imperial loyalist who stands a chance of walking away from a fight with Abbaddon. Anybody else, and Abbaddon is just going to wreck them.

The second thing to consider is Abbaddon's political power within his chosen faction, namely Chaos Space Marines. Abbaddon only really controls the Black Legion directly for traitor legions concerned. All the other traitor legions/chapters may honor him or ignore him as they see fit to do so. Chaos is very fickle and selfish to say the least.

I would say his political clout among Chaos Space Marines is probably on par with an Imperial Subsector Commander. I would base this on account of how many troops would actually be following his orders. All of the other legion/chapter masters are going to do what is in their own best interests. And that includes prosecuting yet another crusade against the Imperium.

The Imperium has no central commander or leader (except Him) due to the Heresy, for the same reason Astartes were split into Chapters, so that no one can wield as much power as Horus did. The entire IG revolts? So, they can't go anywhere without the Navy and Marines crush the revolts planet by planet. The AdMech turns? They have no soldiers bar the Titans, who can be taken by ships, and no way to gain new resources or bodies without the people of the Imperium. The Astartes go traitor? Not enough equipment or manpower to oppose the Imperium. The Inquisition hasn't the manpower, the Assassins the mumbers or resources, the Custodes the numbers. The Navy could revolt and go places but they'd have no soldiers or army to conquer with

 Still Standing wrote:
Screw the Space Marines.

Admiral Ravenburg, commander of Battlefleet Gothic. He's the guy with probably the most direct military power in the Imperium. He also defeated the 13th Black Crusade...

The 13th Black Crusade hasn't ended (it has, in fact, just started), and the last time they let it roll out to its conclusion the Imperium lost.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Still Standing wrote:
Screw the Space Marines.

Admiral Ravenburg, commander of Battlefleet Gothic. He's the guy with probably the most direct military power in the Imperium. He also defeated the 13th Black Crusade...

The 13th Black Crusade hasn't ended (it has, in fact, just started), and the last time they let it roll out to its conclusion the Imperium lost.

but apparently won in space.