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I definitely feel like the cannon is being pulled in several directions with this Character. Now i have 2 pieces of direct evidence and a rumor to back my theory, here is number 1. 1) The New Draigo Ebook ends with Draigo seeing a world ''steeped in sorcerous winds'' were Chaos is held back by a ''God-King'', Draigo begins walking towards this realm hoping to find answers. This seems to be a reference to the Winds of Magic of Fantasy and the fact Karl Franz recently went Super Saiyan and became Sigmar incarnate (E.G a God-King).
2) In the Elf End Times a group of Wood Elves enter the Guarden of Nurgle to release a Goddess from Nurgles mansion, and upon there travels they run into an Armoured Giant who spoke with a strange accent who fought with Blue Psychic Fire. He was beyond the power of lesser Daemons to kill as he wandered through the Chaos Wastes and charged into Nurgles personal Guard of Plague Bearers to create a distraction for the Elves. He lost and was impaled, but it's stated he can't be killed by them and he will be back to get revenge.
And the rumor is that when Fantasy is down scaled to 6 races, 5 are ones we already have and 1 is a new race similar to Knights Templar or good Chaos Warriors. All of this together leads me to believe Draigo is on his way from 40K to Fantasy, maybe not as a playable model, but certainly to play a part in the End Times story-wise.
How would you react if GW cemented that it is possible to move from one universe to the other and if one of 40K's most hated characters became Fantasy's problem?
Quote from Ebook
Time flows strangely within the
empyrean. In the scattering of the
daemon’s remains, I see patterns. I see
shapes and colours. I see echoes of
things that are, and futures that were.
I see an old world beyond the next
horizon – a world that likely never was,
where sorcery blew in the very winds
and a self-made god-king was all that
stood against the Ruinous Powers.
Mayhap I would find the answer there,
if I could find it at all.
Sheathing the Titansword, with my
tattered cloak whipping about me, I
trudge away into the storm. If my destiny
will not follow, then I will go on as I
always have.Alone.
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I'd prefer if he was retconned out of existence. Not too keen on the universe travel but it might be worth it if it means getting rid of him. But wouldn't that make him even more over the top since he's the only one who's done it?
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And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
just because he's mentioned in fantasy in a subtle manner does not mean he's "coming to fantasy" it's at best a very quiet cross over. the idea that the warp could be used to move between worlds is an intreasting idea, and makes plenty of sense but I don't see him transfering over. particularly because the new GK codex makes pretty clear he is cursed to wander the warp for ten thousand years,
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Last I heard, the official line was that Fantasy and 40K take place in entirely seperate universes. Meaning they can't do crossovers.
Still, despite this, authors do slip in implications of interactions, sometimes. IIRC, Ward had a Chaos guy disappearing in a Fantasy army book, and wrote in a guy with the same name in a 40K codex. So this could also just be an author slipping in a nod to Fantasy.
Still, GW's done all sorts of unexpected stuff, lately. Who can say for sure?
Edit: but, IMO, him suddenly showing up in Fantasy would be way too out of place.
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Draigo coming to fantasy would mean the end of everything Chaos. The dude could for sure take on the entirety of the Chaos armies himself based on his psychic ability, wargear, training, physiology, experience, etc.
Ignatius wrote: Draigo coming to fantasy would mean the end of everything Chaos. The dude could for sure take on the entirety of the Chaos armies himself based on his psychic ability, wargear, training, physiology, experience, etc.
I was more thinking along the lines that Draigo, in his terminator armor, would drop through the planet core at near light speed after being spit out of a warp rift, shattering the whole planet, ensuring there can be no next cycle ever again. But yeah, I think he probably could do what you said.
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Ignatius wrote: Draigo coming to fantasy would mean the end of everything Chaos. The dude could for sure take on the entirety of the Chaos armies himself based on his psychic ability, wargear, training, physiology, experience, etc.
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Draigo would absolutely butcher the forces of Chaos on the fantasy universe. It wouldn't even be fair.
EDIT: Draigo would butcher EVERYTHING in the fantasy universe, including the Empire. After all.. they don't worship the Emperor, so they're heretical in the extreme.
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Relevant passage (in the BOLS article, not End Times: Khaine.):
Araloth (the wood elf) ventured into the Realms of Chaos on a mission at one point and while there meets, and is aided by, a scholar, a sorcerer, and an unusually large knight in gleaming silver armor. He is described as speaking in a strange language and claims that he has made a name for himself within the Realms of Chaos. When he fights demons he can fling out his hand and have blue flame erupt amongst them
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If it looks like a Draigo, talks like a Draigo, and walks like a Draigo, it's probably a Draigo.
I wouldn't expect Draigo's role in Fantasy to go beyond cameos like that one, though. But I also wouldn't be too surprised if some day the human faction in the new Warhammer Fantasy got a special character called "The Grey Knight" or something (the potential fluff reason for Draigo not being overpowered being because his powered armour and force weapons' batteries had run out long ago).
Ignatius wrote: Draigo coming to fantasy would mean the end of everything Chaos. The dude could for sure take on the entirety of the Chaos armies himself based on his psychic ability, wargear, training, physiology, experience, etc.
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Draigo would absolutely butcher the forces of Chaos on the fantasy universe. It wouldn't even be fair.
EDIT: Draigo would butcher EVERYTHING in the fantasy universe, including the Empire. After all.. they don't worship the Emperor, so they're heretical in the extreme.
Grey Knights primarily care about fighting demons and Chaos. They'll stop to defend an Imperial World from other threats sometimes if they happen to be passing by (one fluff example being them saving a planet from Orks, no Chaos involved) but I doubt they'd go out of their way to kill something that's also fighting Chaos. They've worked with xenos like Eldar and Necrons (implied) in the past against Chaos, and the Grey Knights in The Emperor's Gift were actually ANNOYED that they were being used to prosecute the Space Wolves instead because that wasn't their job. So I doubt Draigo would butcher the Empire or any anti-Chaos faction when his primary concern is fighting Chaos.
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Not to mention Draigo would top the heavy hitters list in Fantasy. I doubt he could destroy all of Chaos, or all of Fantasy. The big dogs like Nagash, Teclis, any of the Incarnates of Magic or anyone with a cannon and a good aim (He'll regret leaving his Helmet behind) would give him a run for his money.
Does anyone remember Storms of Magic which was ret-conned when the Big Final Battle of Chaos vs Empire happened? Then, right at the end after Chaos had almost won, Grimgor, a particularly nasty Black Ork walked up to the Ever-Choser (Fantasy Abbadon) and headbutted him, knocking him out cold and saving the world due to the fight caving in around the fallen Warmaster.
This is what i imagine, but wish it won't, happen. He could come in right at the end with a heroic sacrifice to save this world he just met. Fantasy is loosing so many special characters, maybe 40K should get some of the fun?
Ignatius wrote:Draigo coming to fantasy would mean the end of everything Chaos. The dude could for sure take on the entirety of the Chaos armies himself based on his psychic ability, wargear, training, physiology, experience, etc.
lcmiracle wrote:Would make for quite a Deus Ex machina for The End Times...
... except for the part where Nagash waves his hand and Draigo explodes, because seriously, Nagash is the fantasy realm's equivalent of a C'tan. A whole C'tan.
Draigo may be a big fish in 40k, but in fantasy, he's really nothing impressive. The heroes of Fantasy outshine any mortal in 40k - you have to start bringing in titans to match the same kind of power level in a single individual.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
The heroes of Fantasy outshine any mortal in 40k - you have to start bringing in titans to match the same kind of power level in a single individual.
Not sure about that. Theres 40k fluff that states level 4 psykers i.e. true masters, can destroy whole worlds with a thought. Not many of them live to see the light of day but I'd wager they'd give fantasy casters a real run for their money.
In additon characters like Skarbrand who have innate magical resistance would carve one hell of a path through most of Fantasy. Or Kharn etc.
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Troike wrote: Last I heard, the official line was that Fantasy and 40K take place in entirely seperate universes. Meaning they can't do crossovers.
Still, despite this, authors do slip in implications of interactions, sometimes. IIRC, Ward had a Chaos guy disappearing in a Fantasy army book, and wrote in a guy with the same name in a 40K codex. So this could also just be an author slipping in a nod to Fantasy.
Still, GW's done all sorts of unexpected stuff, lately. Who can say for sure?
Edit: but, IMO, him suddenly showing up in Fantasy would be way too out of place.
that "official" line was stated by someone who worked for GW but clearly didn't know what he was talking about, since that fabled statement GW has published a lot of crossover things, from deamons to chainswords, and most recently the soul grinder.
Ignatius wrote: Draigo would butcher EVERYTHING in the fantasy universe, including the Empire. After all.. they don't worship the Emperor, so they're heretical in the extreme.
disagree with that Dragio would leave em alone butchering humans whom in their ignorance don't know the light of the emperor is... counter productive. rememebr the IoM in a situation like this typically moves in and co-opts the local religon to the faith of the god-emperor. in this they'd most likely co-opt the worship of Sigmar, teaching that he was in fact the emperor walking among them, forging humanity into a single great empire on the world, as he did among the stars!
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
The heroes of Fantasy outshine any mortal in 40k - you have to start bringing in titans to match the same kind of power level in a single individual.
Not sure about that. Theres 40k fluff that states level 4 psykers i.e. true masters, can destroy whole worlds with a thought. Not many of them live to see the light of day but I'd wager they'd give fantasy casters a real run for their money.
In additon characters like Skarbrand who have innate magical resistance would carve one hell of a path through most of Fantasy. Or Kharn etc.
What level 4 psykers do we actually have in 40k? Ahriman. Eldrad. Think that's about it.
Conversely, Fantasy is over-flowing with them, and even has a few level 5 casters - notably, Arkhan, Nagash, Teclis and Ariel, even if two of those were recently removed from the picture.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Ignatius wrote:Draigo coming to fantasy would mean the end of everything Chaos. The dude could for sure take on the entirety of the Chaos armies himself based on his psychic ability, wargear, training, physiology, experience, etc.
lcmiracle wrote:Would make for quite a Deus Ex machina for The End Times...
... except for the part where Nagash waves his hand and Draigo explodes, because seriously, Nagash is the fantasy realm's equivalent of a C'tan. A whole C'tan.
Draigo may be a big fish in 40k, but in fantasy, he's really nothing impressive. The heroes of Fantasy outshine any mortal in 40k - you have to start bringing in titans to match the same kind of power level in a single individual.
Well, Nagash is still using magic; magic is still made of warp stuff -- even though the winds of magic are now bound to mortals instead of the vortex, apparently, they are still warp stuffs. This is Draigo's advantage.
He distracts the demons long enough so that Araloth can complete his mission and on his way back out the elf sees the “knight” impaled upon a spear but still alive. He wants to save him but the scholar says that he will be fine and that the demons cannot ever truly kill him.
from the same BOLS article
So basically his curse will deny him death -- as such he can easily raid Nagash in his now flying monolith, again and again, with the right amount of Deny the Witch rolls I'm sure he can pull it off at some point. But yeah, GW or whoever is/are writing the End Times books won't be cheesy enough to pull that on the fanbase... right?
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The heroes of Fantasy outshine any mortal in 40k - you have to start bringing in titans to match the same kind of power level in a single individual.
Not sure about that. Theres 40k fluff that states level 4 psykers i.e. true masters, can destroy whole worlds with a thought. Not many of them live to see the light of day but I'd wager they'd give fantasy casters a real run for their money.
In additon characters like Skarbrand who have innate magical resistance would carve one hell of a path through most of Fantasy. Or Kharn etc.
Actually, the Warhammer Fantasy world would be the absolute bane of psykers. The Warp in Fantasy functions differently than in 40k, and in Fantasy, human souls do not have a presence within it like in 40k, therefore, all Fantasy humans would be blanks.
Of course, it would take only a little writing by GW to change all the fluff that makes Fantasy and 40k incompatible with each other, but I don't think they are going to do that. I think Draigo was thrown in more as a kind of easter egg.
Well it sort of makes sense, seeing as the warp is eternal, and its tides and paths travel backward and forward in time. It's perfectly acceptable to have Draigo cameoing in the odd tidbit story, but as long as he doesn't just turn up for major battles. Apart from magic weapons, nothing of the common steel variety sword will have a hope in hell of penetrating his armour or matching his skill at arms, given that he is an Astartes and his reactions far outstrip any regular human. His curse to wander the warp for 10k years basically makes him immortal until the 10k are up. His weapons will defeat anything in the Fantasy universe (The Titansword, forged by the Emperor himself, a Stormshield and a Stormbolter). Not to mention his own psychic might. Yes, compared to the heavy hitters of Fantasy he's small potatoes but he's still pretty powerful.
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Would explain how there going to deal with the floating fortress/ black pyramid, oh look I still have a vortex grenade in my pocket, wonder what happens if I pull this pin
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The heroes of Fantasy outshine any mortal in 40k - you have to start bringing in titans to match the same kind of power level in a single individual.
Not sure about that. Theres 40k fluff that states level 4 psykers i.e. true masters, can destroy whole worlds with a thought. Not many of them live to see the light of day but I'd wager they'd give fantasy casters a real run for their money.
In additon characters like Skarbrand who have innate magical resistance would carve one hell of a path through most of Fantasy. Or Kharn etc.
...just so you know, Skarbrand ALREADY exists in Fantasy. In fact, he recently got killed (Well, banished in daemon terms of course) by Malekith. So much for carving one hell of a path through most of fantasy, eh?
One of the biggest arguments that the mortals of Fantasy are particularly bad ass is that they routinely (daemons infest Fantasy a lot more than they do 40k. Chaos isn't even a secret in Fantasy) fight Bloodthirsters and other daemons withOUT power armour and laser guns.
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The heroes of Fantasy outshine any mortal in 40k - you have to start bringing in titans to match the same kind of power level in a single individual.
Not sure about that. Theres 40k fluff that states level 4 psykers i.e. true masters, can destroy whole worlds with a thought. Not many of them live to see the light of day but I'd wager they'd give fantasy casters a real run for their money.
In additon characters like Skarbrand who have innate magical resistance would carve one hell of a path through most of Fantasy. Or Kharn etc.
...just so you know, Skarbrand ALREADY exists in Fantasy. In fact, he recently got killed (Well, banished in daemon terms of course) by Malekith. So much for carving one hell of a path through most of fantasy, eh?
One of the biggest arguments that the mortals of Fantasy are particularly bad ass is that they routinely (daemons infest Fantasy a lot more than they do 40k. Chaos isn't even a secret in Fantasy) fight Bloodthirsters and other daemons withOUT power armour and laser guns.
Power armor and laz guns are useless against a blood thirster! lol. I fear the day Draigo goes to fantasy though. It's bad enough when hes teleporting 3-5 centurions around. Imagine if he was teleporting 30 heavy cavalry!
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Ashiraya wrote: Draigo is on a whole other level to Fantasy. Him going rampage in their world would be evil.
Remember, sword attacks are Primitive, which means that you must have a SB of at the very least 31ish to even harm him with them. C: C: C:
Most fantasy characters are on the level of Greek Demigods and can demolish entire armies or cut clean through armor. Similar to the insanity of the First Age in the Lord of the Rings universe.
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Formosa wrote: that "official" line was stated by someone who worked for GW but clearly didn't know what he was talking about, since that fabled statement GW has published a lot of crossover things, from deamons to chainswords, and most recently the soul grinder.
I tried to find the source on it, but couldn't. But I'm pretty certain this was a BL author talking about it, who would have been in a position to know. But anyway, the official stance on the issue may have changed since then. There's also the possibility that it hasn't, but GW and BL writers can get away with small divergences like this fairly often.
Either way, I doubt it'll ever progress beyond vague hints like in the OP.
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Order of the Righteous Armour - 542 points so far. 
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