[1500] - Clan Raukaan/Ravenwing - Smashwing

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**Lammikkovalas**

Okay, so after suffering a humiliating defeat at the hands of my friend's KDK I figured that I'd craft a nasty list to face them the next time. (No, I don't take this game too seriously, trust me) Also, I'm not running any grav weapons because Ravenwing don't have them and I intend to continue playing the first legion in the future.

Clan Raukaan CAD:

HQ:

Smashfether (CM with bike, Gorgon's Chain, Artificer armour, Digital weapons and Thunder hammer)

Troops:

Bike Squad, 6 bikes, 2 plasma guns, Attack bike with MM, sergeant with power sword and melta bombs

Bike Squad, 6 bikes, 2 meltaguns, Attack bike with MM, veteran sergeant with power sword and melta bombs

Ravenwing AD:

HQ:

Libby lvl 2, PFG, bike

Ravenwing Command Squad, apothecary, RW champion, Company banner, grenade launcher

Troops:

Scout squad, 4 sniper rifles and a missile launcher

Fast Attack:

Ravenwing Attack Squadron, 6 bikes, 2 meltaguns, attack bike with MM, sergeant with power sword and melta bombs

Help, suggestions and complaints about running Mr. Smash are welcome.

**Arbiter**

Looks like fun! Though cm smash face might get killed due to S D blood thirsters.

**raiden**

Why power swords? Why not mauls? Or better yet, lances. I run power lances on my bikes. It works wonders with hit and run.

**Lammikkovalas**

raiden wrote:
Why power swords? Why not mauls? Or better yet, lances. I run power lances on my bikes. It works wonders with hit and run.

I guess using lances could be a good idea, at least on the Ravenwing bike squad. I Don't think that Clan Raukaan gets Hit & Run on their bike squads. If something doesn't die immediately to the charge I guess it's because of the sheer number of bodies and in that case being AP4 wouldn't really be the deciding factor in subsequent rounds.

Also, has anyone seen some great Smashfether/Smashbane conversions? I have a few ideas but always looking for some more inspiration.

**raiden**

Ah, if they don't I can see why. I prefer mauls since most things you are charging have either 1 wound a model or 4+ armor, the str6 helps a lot on getting wounds through. Even on MCs with 3+ armor.

**Lammikkovalas**

A Lord on a Juggernaut with a few accompanying Flesh Hound squads were a bit annoying and all too soon up in my face last game. I guess lances would be better than swords when dealing with them in pretty much any case though, maces probably being the best. I should have enough plasma and/or melta to ignore the marines' saves or pop their transports when they get too close.

**raiden**

Gonna be honest, for sheer power I'd say go iron hand successor ally

your smashfether now has IWND 6+fnp w/out apothecary (should he die) and access to shield eternal/burning blade.

Best part is you can flavor it as them being a successor chapter of the first legion that has adopted a slightly different style due to their region of space ;p.

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Edit: or just swap em in for the normal DA allies.

**Lammikkovalas**

There are two reasons beside fluff and general awesomeness why I really want that RW detachment:

1: The Librarian can roll on divination, but more importantly, get that PFG and practically make jinking completely unnecessary for the command squad.

2: The Ravenwing grenade launcher is sometimes an endless source of awesome hijinks. For those uninitiated to the secrets of The Rock, the launcher's rad shells debuff opponent's toughness by 1 and the stasis shells do the same to their WS and initiative. Usually nothing too gamebreaking, but having your bolters inflict instant death to GEQ is hilarious. The launcher is like a gift that just keeps on giving!

**raiden**

I do love my grenade launchers. Just spitballing ideas here lol.

I'm also pretty sure normal SM libs can get divination powers now as well.

**Lammikkovalas**

Not according to my codex they can't. Checked the FAQ/Errata and nothing there suggests otherwise either.

Perfect Timing + Prescience + Rad grenade + rapid firing Plasma Talons just sounds so lovely... there's no kill like overkill!

**raiden**

Another suggestion. Drop the RWAS from the allies list and take another ravenwing command squad. Its overall better imo.

**Lammikkovalas**

Can't have more than 1 HQ in an allied detachment and I can't really see how I could run this as a two CAD list if I really want to cram all this good stuff in 1500 pts. Maybe at 1850 it'd be more feasible.

Edit: I made a list for 1850 and I feel so dirty just looking at it. Here, have a look:

Clan Raukaan CAD:

HQ:

Smashfether (CM with bike, Gorgon's Chain, Artificer armour, Digital weapons and Thunder hammer)

Troops:

Bike Squad, 6 bikes, 2 plasma guns, Attack bike with MM, sergeant with power maul and melta bombs

Bike Squad, 6 bikes, 2 meltaguns, Attack bike with MM, sergeant with power maul and melta bombs

Land Speeder, Assault Cannon, MM

Ravenwing CAD:

HQ:

Libby lvl 2, PFG, bike, auspex

Ravenwing Command Squad, apothecary, RW champion, Chapter banner, grenade launcher

Libby lvl 2, PFG, bike, auspex

Ravenwing Command Squad, apothecary, RW champion, Company banner, grenade launcher

Troops:

Scout squad, 4 sniper rifles and a missile launcher

Scout squad, 4 sniper rifles and a missile launcher

**raiden**

Best part about the Ravenwing command squad? Its not an HQ choice. Its a free pick. (no force org. fill)

literally no need to make any changes just swap em with the RWAS :3

**Lammikkovalas**

"For each HQ choice in your army that is mounted on a bike (or Sammael, but not including other Ravenwing Command
Squads) you may include a Ravenwing Command Squad. These selections do not use up a Force Organisation slot."

I don't have the HQ slots to take another librarian and therefore I can't take more than one Command Squad.

**Quanar**

Lammikkovalas wrote:
"For each HQ choice in your army that is mounted on a bike"

But you already have another HQ on a bike in your army - Smashfether! It's almost certainly not intended, but it's RAW.

Another alternative would be a Techmarine on a bike - the Libby unlocks the Tech and one command squad, whilst the Tech unlocks another command squad.

Another another alternative, would be just swapping the fast attack RWAS for a Black Knight unit - you don't get to take an Apoth though.

**Lammikkovalas**

Quanar wrote:
Lammikkovalas wrote:
"For each HQ choice in your army that is mounted on a bike"
But you already have another HQ on a bike in your army - Smashfether! It's almost certainly not intended, but it's RAW.

Another alternative would be a Techmarine on a bike - the Libby unlocks the Tech and one command squad, whilst the Tech unlocks another command squad.

Another another alternative, would be just swapping the fast attack RWAS for a Black Knight unit - you don't get to take an Apoth though.

I could indeed fit black knights in the list instead of just a regular RW squad although it just feels a bit wrong to play more for practically the same dudes. I thought about that wording too and realized that I could take another command squad without that being intended but I think I'll pass this time. I haven't fallen to the dark side by that much just yet. Having two squads with the grenade launchers would also create some nice synergy with using both debuffs on the same target... would getting 6 more Black Knights be worth losing a 6 bike melta squad with an attack bike?

**Quanar**

Lammikkovalas wrote:
I could indeed fit black knights in the list instead of just a regular RW squad although it just feels a bit wrong to play more for practically the same dudes.

You're only paying slightly more for BK's over a Command Squad (42 versus 40) but get the Hunstmaster instead of a Company Champion (boo, Blade of Caliban being Unwieldy). I'd say the main loss is the Apothecary.

Lammikkovalas wrote:
Having two squads with the grenade launchers would also create some nice synergy with using both debuffs on the same target... would getting 6 more Black Knights be worth losing a 6 bike melta squad with an attack bike?

If you did go down this route, switch the IH bike squad with Plasma to Melta or you'll be overloaded in the AP department but lacking in AT. One benefit of Bike Squads in the SM Codex is that they aren't forced to split off from the unit (leaving a tempting first blood target), whereas the RW attack bike would get Scout.

**ionusx**

It's a fresh idea but I think that an even cooler idea would be standard marines from raukkan backing up a dark angels offensive cc hit squad of like a dwcs in a raider and some assault marines, maybe get some veterans into a storm talon that'd be pretty sweet.

Contrary to popular belief dark angels are actually pretty terrible in lists with only one kind of unit ( only bikes, only terminators) they excel when you get more than one type working togeather in harmony.

**Lammikkovalas**

Thanks for the input, but I think that for this list I'll be sticking with just bikes. I already have a lot of green and bone-white marines so a list like this gives me a good reason to expand my relatively small RW force. I just really, really like the idea of having The Smasher with all the Ravenwing goodness.

How would you build a list like you mentioned, ionusx? Can you give me an example?