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There's lots of rumors and speculation out there about where WHFB is going after the End Times and into 9th Edition, but, there isn't a place on this forum (that I have seen) that has speculation for where the story goes from here. So, I figured I'd make this place for us to speculate where the fluff goes next. This is all going to be spoilers, but I don't want to use the tags so don't read if you don't want to know what happens at various points in the End Times.

I have one logical idea and one pretty far out there idea.

The logical idea centers around Lileath's pocket dimension where she sent Araloth/Asuryan and Eldyra who has been turned into the Elven keeper of the dead. I'm guessing that while the warp energy was engulfing the world, Teclis, removed from his physical body, was able to channel the warp energy to take the "survivors" to this pocket dimension, "Haven". There, humans, elves and dwarfs will live in co-existence together, led by Araloth and Louen Leoncouer, who was transported there by the Lady of the Lake/Lileath when he fought his final battle in Glottkin and melted into golden light.

Bel'akor, who overheard about Haven in Archaon, will be the one that brings the chaos incursion to the world and start the battles between Chaos and the forces of Light. The turning point in the first battle will be the arrival of the twin-tailed comet and Sigmar will appear on the planet to swing the battle towards the Light.

I'm also going to guess that Thanquol and Ikit Claw came up with some way to find the new area and the Skaven will be there in force. The Lizardmen, in trying to piece together the history of the Old Ones will also appear. I'm sure Undead and Nagash find their way there also, through the work of Dieter Hellsnicht, who had been locked away since Nagash doing something that we didn't know about. And somehow, as always, the Orcs and Goblins find their way there.

So, that is what I have gleaned from the books and what I logically think will happen.

The other idea I have is quite a bit further out there, but is basically that it will end up being an alternate reality version of the previous storyline. We will have Sigmar and his ascent to "God-king" status as the ruler of the Empire. But, there are very distinct differences in the storyline based upon whether people redeemed or demeaned themselves in the previous arc.

For example - Malekith is the Phoenix King and leader of the High Elves, assisted by Teclis. The Dark Elves are led by Morathi and her new husband Tyrion. Alarielle, not wanting to be with Malekith, leaves and forms the Wood Elves as the Everqueen of Athel Loren. Bel'akor is the Everchosen of Chaos and Archaon, having been shown the godly status of Sigmar, is now his champion in the Empire.

I think doing an alternate reality version of the fluff would be a good amount of fun and would allow them to keep the setting and basic aesthetics of the Old World, but then develop off on the storylines based on the various tangents.

Share what your thoughts or ideas are and let me know what you think of my ideas, however crazy they may be.

Archeon and Karl Franz BFF team up ftw.

There's a lot of 'somehow something happens' in that theory, and stuff that makes no sense. Morathi was eaten by Slaanesh, for example.

Well... I have my theories...

1) My worst theory is that Sigmar goes back in time and prevent the destruction of the world by warning what Mannfred was about to do...

2) The spirits of beings like Sigmar, Malekith, Nagash, Archaon and others are still "alive" but with no place to go, until the Lizardmen find a new world and, by using magic in that new place, they unleash those spirits in there.

3) Parts of the world weren't destroyed and the ones that live there start rebuilding the planet... Things evolve to the world we know...

4) The world was destroyed and no one lives there... Until a new race arrive to our planet and starts populating... Then an accident (with some items left behind and discovered by this new race of humans) causes a rift in time-space continuum and Elves, Dwafs, Oggers, Orcs and Goblins (from the End of Times period) go through this "portal". Along with them come entities of Chaos and some from Death (Nagash spirit, Settra, etc). Seeing the world being populated again, the Skaven and the Lizardmen return...

Gork and Mork create a new world, because they realized that with no planet, there's nothing to fight on. And they recreate all of the other races, because, come on. Gotta have someone to fight.

Settra bursts into the realms of the Chaos gods and kills them while ranting at them for daring to think that they could make a servant out of him. The leftover energy from the ass kicking delivered restarts everything except with a substantially nerfed Chaos so the other armies can have non-Pyrrhic victories for once.


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HobbyBox wrote:


Bel'akor, who overheard about Haven in Archaon, will be the one that brings the chaos incursion to the world and start the battles between Chaos and the forces of Light. The turning point in the first battle will be the arrival of the twin-tailed comet and Sigmar will appear on the planet to swing the battle towards the Light.

Be'lakor's imprisoned in a gem even Chaos can't break.

 Kain wrote:
Settra bursts into the realms of the Chaos gods and kills them while ranting at them for daring to think that they could make a servant out of him. The leftover energy from the ass kicking delivered restarts everything except with a substantially nerfed Chaos so the other armies can have non-Pyrrhic victories for once.


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HobbyBox wrote:


Bel'akor, who overheard about Haven in Archaon, will be the one that brings the chaos incursion to the world and start the battles between Chaos and the forces of Light. The turning point in the first battle will be the arrival of the twin-tailed comet and Sigmar will appear on the planet to swing the battle towards the Light.

Be'lakor's imprisoned in a gem even Chaos can't break.

The Gem of "Tosdontallowbattlescrolls?"

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
There's a lot of 'somehow something happens' in that theory, and stuff that makes no sense. Morathi was eaten by Slaanesh, for example.

I did say my second idea was a bit far-fetched and "further out there", but the basics of my idea is based around the whole Randa Dandra thing that they kept saying and that everything is a continuing cycle that restarts. Looking at that, the world restarts again, and the cycle is affected by the actions of the folks in their previous dimension/existence.

Sure, Morathi was eaten by Slaanesh. Now, maybe she is an agent of Slaanesh and is in complete service to him. Which is why she turns on Malekith, tries to usurp him from becoming the Phoenix King and then that is the Sundering that creates the Dark Elves in this new universe. Tyrion goes with her as he sees himself truly being the heir to Aenarion, and we've seen that he is prone to hot-headed decisions fueled more by passion and less by logic.

I think it would be fun to create an new dimension of the previous world that turns some of the characters slightly on their heads. And only Sigmar truly knows what happened before so that he may try to avoid Chaos from over-taking in the future. Which could lead the Empire to be more zealot-based, crazed about doing whatever they can to destroy chaos.

But, it is all just a theory. I was trying to look at how they could not ret-con the entire End Times and jump back (a la Storm of Chaos) but still allow the rumor to be true where it says you can play with almost everything you already own.

As far as the "something and somehows" in my first theory based around Araloth being in the Haven that Lileath created, in Nagash, IIRC Dieter Hellsnicht is locked away deep inside of one of the tombs in Khemri at the orders of Nagash. He is doing something we just don't know what. And, Orcs and Goblins tend to just nomad their way around things. Somehow they will show up there, cause I don't see them getting left behind. Ultimately, they were at the battle in Middenheim, so it is safe to say that they got caught in the warp energy bubble along with everyone else and were transported to Haven as well.

Ultimately, just trying to come up with directions it can all go and interested to see what other people can come up with to help pass the time until 9th.

 Kain wrote:
Be'lakor's imprisoned in a gem even Chaos can't break.

Not according to Archaon.

Be’lakor had wrought great harm upon Athel Loren, had sought to deliver the last of the elven pantheon into the grip of his dark masters. As punishment, the First-damned was imprisoned in a perfect ruby, plucked from Alarielle’s crown. There he would languish, unable to escape to the Realm of Chaos until the ending of the world. Of course, unless the Incarnates could find a way to forestall Archaon’s plan, that time would not be so far off.

And so since they did not stop Archaon, Be'lakor is free.