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Hi all,

I was wondering if it is ok to use a different model for a unit, I want to use Fenrisian wolves in place of the Flesh Hound models for Khorne Daemonkin.

I wanted to paint them Khorne colours and maybe convert them a bit.

They are roughly the same size and use the same bases so is this a problem or is using this type of proxy unit fine to use?

Thanks,

I don't think anyone would have an issue with it.

Usually most people won't have issues with this, as it's pretty easy to say one is the other for the reasons you list. Personally, I have a full unit of Chaos Warhounds to use as Flesh Hounds as I think the Flesh Hounds are silly and beyond expensive. Be mindful that Fenrisian Wolves come with 40mm round bases whereas Flesh Hounds have been updated to 50mm round bases, as listed on the GW product descriptions.

Fenrisisian wolves, if painted right, could very well be Khornate hounds. I'd have no problem with it.

Doesn't generally matter, as stated earlier some people may have issues with their base size, but if they do they're a bit of a tosser.

I'll always remember someone kicking off when using my converted bretonnian knights as black knights in WHFB . Suffice to say the store staff called him a bit of a tosser and that he shouldn't complain seeing he used heavily converted troops himself.

I've been running units like this for years, and the only resistance I've ever had is a single snide comments a couple weeks ago.

Running 20 of these has never caused me any issues.

Well, other than people complaining when they are in their deployment zone by turn 2 at the latest!

Your best bet it to ask the people your actually going to be playing.
Online, you will find most people will be fine with it. The rule of cool and whatnot. Not to mention most will understand the concept of saving money.
I would say go for it and be sure to paint them up appropriately to ensure there is no confusion.
ut like I said, talk to your actual opponents. As we have seen here in the past, you will always have that guy (or those guys as i've seen a few here) who will cry "mfa" if the unit is not the actual unit built exact according to instructions as pictured out of the box. Most likely, you dont have that guy in your group, but just in case....

Do people often have a problem with players using alternative models that aren't GW, like the Victoria minatures stuff etc?

No, never encountered it IRL and can't ever recall seeing it on Dakka either. The usual caveats apply, it at least needs to be in the ball park WRT volume and size, but outside of that and in a friendly environment, you'll unlikely ever encounter an issue.

Heck, I use FW or FW scale models for all greater daemons and I've never had an issue, usually just small crowds and compliments when I unpack them for a game in front of people who've not seen them before.


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 EVIL INC wrote:
As we have seen here in the past, you will always have that guy (or those guys as i've seen a few here) who will cry "mfa" if the unit is not the actual unit built exact according to instructions as pictured out of the box.

Citation needed. Honestly, other than Daly, who was probably just trolling as usual, I've never seen anyone express anything other than positive thoughts when it comes to bona fide alternate models (rather than drinks cans or children's toys.)

I've seen it here in the past MANY times (no, I'm not going to trawl through years worth of posts to search them out. if someone doesnt think it has happened here, that is their right to think so. I've seen otherwise). If you have an issue with my pointing it out, use the PM function as that would be a separate topic from what we are discussing.
Believe it or not, I've also seen it in real life as well. of course, the guy who feels this way at the shop is also the guy who throws money around like it's confetti and is constantly reselling his armies for fractions of what he paid for them so he has no problem finding games with his buddies who hang around him for free/cheap models when he tires of them. Not that he doesnt like more expensive models from other companies, he just feels that its a GW game and GW models should be used. I disagree with him. I feel that after we buy it, it becomes OUR game (the players) and we should use what we like so long as all players involved are ok with it.

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Thank you all for the responses, and that pic of the fenris wolf as khorne hound is exactly what I am going for.

I will make sure to get myself 50mm bases to stop people from complaining.

They're only 40mm dude, Terminator bases. You could also use bike bases, as Fleshounds have appeared on both in different GW publications (the bike/cavalry bases probably more frequently.)

But, like I said, while I've never played in tourneys, I have played one or two pedantic characters without issue. The majority of people are just happy to see cool models and new ideas. One thing I'd probably suggest is while I frequently use alternate models, both from in an outside of the GW range, I never put an unpainted model in the table, and that probably counts a lot towards people accepting them as a creative choice and not some attempt to jump on the latest power army bandwagon, which a load of grey plastic can sometimes indicate.

I've seen it on Dakka before, Azreal13. Usually it's the mentality that they can't accept people using a "cheaper" alternative to GW. If they can pay GW's prices for an army, then so can you. Basically, it's like an amusement park ride sign that says "you must have spent this much to play me." Some of them try to hide behind an argument about how 3rd party stuff doesn't match the GW aesthetic, as if the GW aesthetic is some monolithic entity with no room for variety. You might recall some of the derogatory comments directed against the Dreamforge Leviathan dismissing it as a "toy" and that the "only" reason why people would use it as a Knight or Warhound is because it was cheaper. That's just off the top of my head.

Anyway, no, I have no problem with alternative models so long as they look cool and are roughly the appropriate size (some things like characters and big demons can be larger if cooler).

Of course, Space Wolves players might have problems with the use of Fenrisian wolves as demon wolves.

Yeah, I've seen it, but it largely seems to originate from one source, who I won't name again in case it works like Candyman or Voldemort!

 General Kroll wrote:
Do people often have a problem with players using alternative models that aren't GW, like the Victoria minatures stuff etc?

You'll only really have this as an issue in stores.... not 100% sure on their stance now, but i know about 2-3 years ago the store's and WW's stance was that models had to be made up of GW or scratch made parts. It's mostly due to GW wanting you to use their products more than anything else.

Outside of the store environment it's much less of an issue. Generally people will generally let you use other models if they fit the part.... aka no using something like a ww2 shocktrooper in place of a genestealer, where you brought the product from doesn't really matter. The only personal exception is I like to see the correct kit shown on the model, although I won't throw my toys out the pram if they describe a flitlock pistol as a laspistol or something, which I actually saw once.

Roughly same size and appearance is your best bet for good proxies. Personally, I love the Chaos Warhounds for my Flesh Hounds proxies, but I think the Fenrisian Wolves would do fine.

LOl. If youd seen it before and knew it existed (although to be honest. I've seen it quite a bit (but thats expanding into conversions and so forth as well), then why deny it and ask for citation? trying to put me up to the dirty work of "summoning" the one you had in mind? lol

The fenrisian wolves are the exact models I bought to use for fleshhounds in case I decide to summon them. I dont have the cool paint job on them yet though as I havent started to paint my daemons yet.

Great conversion idea and it's perfectly fine, anyone who would have issue with it is someone you would not want to play with. one of the reasons I love this game is the creativity and cool conversion that many people come up with. Unfortunately there are some super sensitive people who take offense to it for some reason which I don't know why. as long as the conversion is within reason you should have no problem.

 gmaleron wrote:
one of the reasons I love this game is the creativity and cool conversion that many people come up with. Unfortunately there are some super sensitive people who take offense to it for some reason which I don't know why. as long as the conversion is within reason you should have no problem.

Couldn't agree more. Some of the conversions that are out there are just so amazing. I honestly can't see why anyone would WANT to have a problem with them. Sure a lot of the GW models are cool too, but sometimes something a little out of the ordinary is all it takes to set a spark of imagination or inspiration for our own projects and models.

Fenrisian wolves work, but from a modeling stand point I'd take a look at the Warhammer fantasy Dire Wolves, which are what I'm thinking of using

Chaos Warhounds are a common alternative.

Mhmm..and now I have simmilar question, what about using LOTR wargs as chaos hounds?

 Whiskered wrote:
Mhmm..and now I have simmilar question, what about using LOTR wargs as chaos hounds?

You'll have no problem between gw products, even then the only issue of using non-GW products arises in stores or WW.

As long as you're not also allying in actual Space Wolves using actual Fenrisian Wolves as actual Fenrisian Wolves, alongside your actual Fenrisian Wolves as Fleshhounds of Khorne, then I don't think you should have a problem.