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So you can't target units in vehicles. But the kastellax reflects shots back at the attacker. Long story short a unit of IG targeted my robots yesterday from inside a chimera with a melts that I saved on a 6+. We ruled it hit a randomized guy inside and killed him. But raw it seems impossible, also wouldn't he at least get a cover save inside there?

Doesn't the robots rule say something like "as if shot by the kastellax"

If thats the case you cannot allocate wounds anywhere due the unit being out of sight of the robots

It does not say that. It says the gak reflects back at the source roll to wound/ pen normally. What's funny is you could be hit by a d str non template weapon, make your 6+, then roll against the original shooter and roll a 6.

 Orock wrote:
It does not say that. It says the gak reflects back at the source roll to wound/ pen normally. What's funny is you could be hit by a d str non template weapon, make your 6+, then roll against the original shooter and roll a 6.

That........would be the best thing EVER!

 Orock wrote:
... roll to wound/ pen normally.

Which leaves you with nobody in sight to take the wound.

Would open topped be the same? You cant draw line of sight but can allocate wounds.




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I suppose that sounds exactly like the blast question

Never mind

How can you allocate wounds to a unit inside of an open toopped vehicle, without the "no escape" rule or similar?

Id say the tank gets hit

sangheili wrote:
Id say the tank gets hit

This seems like the best way to handle it...treat the tank as the source of the attack.

It depends on how the rule is worded. Since most people won't have the codex you're asking about, most people would have to guess how it works until someone quotes the rule in question.

Here is the RAW from the rules section in the Kastelan kit:


Furthermore, each time a Kastelan Robot is targeted by a shooting attack and passes a saving throw of any kind on the roll of a 6, the shot is deflected. If a shot is deflected, the unit that fired it suffers an immediate hit resolved with the Strength, AP value and special rules of the hit that was originally allocated to the Kastelan Robot, as if it had just been shot at by that Kastelan Robot. Cannot deflect Blast or Template weapons or Psychic Shooting Attacks.

Seems RAW, embarked people would be immune because they aren't a model within range and LoS to be wounded....

HIWPI, Resolve against the tank, it makes the most sense.

RAW say that the unit that fired the shot "suffers a hit" ... "as if it had just been shot by the robot". It doesn't say the robot has to shoot the unit. It doesn't have to roll to hit or even have to be able to target the unit, and it doesn't tell us that anything besides the unit that fired the shot can be hit.

HIWPI: the unit suffers a hit with the wound allocated randomly to one of the models in the unit. This doesn't break any rules since:

1) the robot isn't making a shooting attack and therefore it isn't bound by any of the rules for targeting, LOS, etc.

2) the special rule "reflect" or whatever it's called tells you that the unit which shot the robot "suffers a hit" and doesn't give any reason to think embarked units are immune.

3) the rule only breaks down because we're not told how to allocate the hit to the unit. So patch it with a "random allocation".

Again, that's HIWPI, and I feel that it's as close to RAW as you can get.

No, as close to RAW as you can get is:

- The embarked unit suffers a hit
- Roll to wound as normal.
- No model in the unit is in LOS, and therefore the wound pool immediately empties, and so no wounds are allocated.

Right. I wasn't thinking it through. At the top of page 35 of the BRB is the "Out of Sight" rule. "If none of the firing models can draw a line of sight to a particular model in the target unit, then wounds cannot be allocated to it... If there are no visible models in the target unit, all remaining wounds are lost."

If the original shot had a special rule that it did not require LoS, then I'm not sure if it would be so clear, but shots from any other weapon would be lost.

Thanks insaniak.

Crew and embarked unit are two separate things.