Social? New Rules Format: Is it going to spread to 40k?

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**Elgrun**

Example's of what I mean:

The Endless Dance: If you are dancing
while rolling the dice for the Masque’s
attacks in the combat phase, you can reroll
any failed hit rolls. If, at any point, you
can coerce your opponent to join in, you
can re-roll any failed wound rolls as well.

Pride of the Reiksguard: Helborg’s
skill is as legendary as his moustache is
magnificent. You can re-roll any failed hit
rolls when attacking with the Runefang
so long as you have a bigger and more
impressive moustache than your opponent

Mortarch of Night: If it is nighttime, or
you cannot see the sun, you can add 1 to all
hit and wound rolls for Gheistvor.

One Bat Short of a Belfry: Konrad is a
violent lunatic, and his temper does little
to help his stretched sanity. If, during
your hero phase, you talk to Konrad von
Carstein, you can re-roll all hit rolls of
1 for him until your next hero phase. If
Konrad von Carstein talks back to you,
re-roll all failed hit rolls instead.

Enthusiastic Young Assistant: Kraggi
is an apprentice Runesmith who has
barely been smithing a century, but his
youthfulness makes him very eager. Kraggi
can attempt to unbind one spell in the
enemy hero phase as if he were a wizard.
You can re-roll the unbinding attempt if
you are younger than your opponent.

Liquid Fortification: You can add 1 to
the Bravery of Josef Bugman and any
Dispossessed unit from your army
within 4" of him whilst you are holding
a drink.

Old Grumblers: In your hero phase,
you can complain about something in a
suitably Dwarfish manner. For example,
the hardships you endured when you were
younger, how the youth of today don’t
respect their elders, how expensive beer
is etc. If you do, this unit of Longbeards
will join in and you can pick one of the
grumblings listed below. The effects last
until your next hero phase.

To try and remain as objective as possible , are you a fan of these new types of rules and would you like to see them emerge in 40k? Do you think it would improve the game?

For example bonus's for space wolf players with amounts of facial hair... Im sure you can think of some.

Thanks for your opinions.

**Makumba**

If, during your hero phase, you talk to Konrad von
Carstein, you can re-roll all hit rolls of
1 for him until your next hero phase. If
Konrad von Carstein talks back to you,
re-roll all failed hit rolls instead.

I don't know what they are forging in GW HQ, but it has to be realy strong.

SoB if you are holding a torch in one hand and a pitchfork in the other you get to re-roll flamer based weapon attacks.

**Ratius**

When I first read them I was agog but after a beer I think theyre quite entertaining.

A more sobre concern is how overpowered they could become or downright whacky

**Elgrun**

Do you think these seem like some sort of house rules that a group of people thought up for a laugh when having drinks?

I mean does it take away from people wanting a more serious game when your opponent starts dancing and invites you to join?

At least in some situations can this not be incredibly socially..awkward?

**Ratius**

Serious is a subjective term. Ive had highly skilled guys at tourneys yell waaagh when moving orks so loudly the room stops, produce dolls of the rock (or maybe it was randy orton) and ' lay the smack down ' on my HQ unit, guys bet that if they can finish a turn in 5 mins we go for a smoke break and one guy with a gold painted tau army pretend to be 'pimped n bling'.

Was it weird or awkward? Not in the slightest for me, I actually embraced it. Ymmv.

**Thud**

Kinda funny the first time you read it.

Awkwardly amusing the first time you do it.

Lame and irritating the second time you do it.

There won't be a third time, because the game is gak.

For card games like Cards Against Humanity or Munchkin, or straight-out-of-the-box board games, this would be a fun addition, but for a tabletop wargame where you spend almost $1,000 on your army and hundreds of hours of painting it up, it's just pathetic.

It's like the head of HR telling carefully vetted jokes at the office Christmas party: a boring waste of time and stripped of any substance.

**Naw**

How about we throw away all rules as they are only in the way of forging a narrative?

I see it now, ork players with big shoes get to do proper Da Krunch. Are these for real, from WHFB?

As written above whatever substance they brew at GW they should start selling it.

**Elgrun**

Thud wrote:

It's like the head of HR telling carefully vetted jokes at the office Christmas party: a boring waste of time and stripped of any substance.

This kind of sums it up for me. Im not against fun but it doesn't mesh when you introduce things like re-roll when you "dance" .

and yes these are real, straight from their new compendium, can view it yourself on their main site.

**Blacksails**

Calling them rules is an insult to real rules.

Absolutely fething stupid. Literally a game aimed at children. If I'm going to bother playing something that simple and 'social', I'll play Munchkin.

I can only hope none of this ever makes it into 40k.

**Jimsolo**

I did a quick scan, but I didn't see any of these rules. Which of the downloads are they in? The 'social' ones for AoS?

**Azreal13**

I'll say here what I said in the AoS thread..

It's exactly the same sort of officially sanctioned "fun" you get at an office Christmas party.

It might be a laugh, once, with friends, after a few beers. After that it will lose all appeal and will never be anything less than painfully awkward in a store setting. It's one thing doing this gak in front of an opponent who'll know what you're about, but there are going to be total strangers who ,at have no clue in a public environment.

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Jimsolo wrote:
I did a quick scan, but I didn't see any of these rules. Which of the downloads are they in? The 'social' ones for AoS?

Nope, they're official rules from the official lists.

**SagesStone**

Definite no as well as to the removal of the point system thing. Both of those have finally cemented my opinion against ever getting into fantasy.

**yellowfever**

I had wanted to try returning to fantasy also. But if this is how it's going I'll definitely pass.

**Jimsolo**

Azreal13 wrote:
I'll say here what I said in the AoS thread..

It's exactly the same sort of officially sanctioned "fun" you get at an office Christmas party.

It might be a laugh, once, with friends, after a few beers. After that it will lose all appeal and will never be anything less than painfully awkward in a store setting. It's one thing doing this gak in front of an opponent who'll know what you're about, but there are going to be total strangers who ,at have no clue in a public environment.

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Jimsolo wrote:
I did a quick scan, but I didn't see any of these rules. Which of the downloads are they in? The 'social' ones for AoS?

Nope, they're official rules from the official lists.

I have looked through three so far and not seen a single one of these. Can someone give a sourced quote? Before I start complaining, I want to be able to back up my grumbles.

**Wyzilla**

They're horrible. IMO they either should be completely annoyed for being a gak and cheap attempt to get a laugh from players, or automatically pass every time without the nonsense.

**nareik**

Hehe I guess this is what happens when you have a pub in your head office :p.

I think I will enjoy AoS if I play with the right people.

The thing is WHFB has always been a setting of light humour, where as 40k has been not more serious, but more understated and darker in its humour.

As such, I think the games are to be played in different spirit so AoS wouldn't fit 40k as well, but I wouldn't eliminate it.

**Xca|iber**

I'll admit, I found most of these weird rules to be rather amusing the first time I read through them, but soon realized that they're gonna get old really fast. While everybody probably has "that one friend" who has the charisma, personality, and improv skills to pull these off hilariously every time, most people will probably get sick of it after the first couple of games.

That aside, a part of me wants to believe that this is a sign of GW going back to its roots with the very 80s, tongue-firmly-in-cheek, self-aware, trope-smorgasbord, beer'n'pretzels rules and lore. I can almost make out that tiny seed at the center of all this; that same kind of energy that GW products used to exude. Yet on top of that is more of the same, sanitized, lazy, overly IP-conscious, "do-whatever-we-don't-care", "our-product-is-for-rich-little-timmys" attitude that has come to define a large swath of Games Workshop's products in recent years, which is a huge shame and really puts me off from being interested.

I would not be surprised to see this come to 40k in some form or another (probably not a total replacement like AoS, as current 40k is their #1 seller), given many of the trends we are seeing with more and more highly specific formations.

**Rihgu**

I have a feeling that these rules are only in there as a nod to the veteran gamers and the sillier older editions until the "serious" warscrolls get released (probably in a hardback book, costing 50$).
The starter set (all new models/units) doesn't have any of these silly, social rules, for example.

So unless 40k 8th edition becomes Age of Cypher or whatever I don't think we'll have to worry about these leaking over to our serious game for serious gamers.

**Jimsolo**

Found em. Damn ridiculous.

**Talizvar**

Are not wargamers considered socially awkward enough?
Amusing but not to be put into practice, like the Hollywood rules Marines.

**Peregrine**

Blacksails wrote:
Calling them rules is an insult to real rules.

Absolutely fething stupid. Literally a game aimed at children. If I'm going to bother playing something that simple and 'social', I'll play Munchkin.

I can only hope none of this ever makes it into 40k.

This. At least Munchkin and similar "silly" games are cheap, a concept GW seems to have forgotten about.

**Therion**

I doubt this will come into 40K in the next couple years since GW seems to have found a new cash printing business with the 40K codices. Just formations, no new fluff, nearly no art, and absolutely no new art. Just photographs of models. The same old models with no new paint jobs.

In five years though? This might very well be 40K's future. All good things must come to an end.

**Blacksails**

Peregrine wrote:
Blacksails wrote:
Calling them rules is an insult to real rules.

Absolutely fething stupid. Literally a game aimed at children. If I'm going to bother playing something that simple and 'social', I'll play Munchkin.

I can only hope none of this ever makes it into 40k.

This. At least Munchkin and similar "silly" games are cheap, a concept GW seems to have forgotten about.

Also, games like Munchkin or Killer Bunnies make no attempt to be anything but a silly, random game. Warhammer AoS still has some semblance of being a wargame and has the history of 8 previous editions.

From what I've seen of AoS, I can't think of anything it does well. It's not any better for narrative gaming than other systems, it's certainly a terrible competitive and tactical game, there is zero balance, and the models are still pricey.

At least the rules are free, cause that's what they're worth.

I'll take a shot for every person to say the game is beer and pretzels or narrative focused. Hopefully I'll be dead before it happens to 40k.

**Selym**

Blacksails wrote:
Calling them rules is an insult to real rules.

Absolutely fething stupid. Literally a game aimed at children. If I'm going to bother playing something that simple and 'social', I'll play Munchkin.

I can only hope none of this ever makes it into 40k.

I'm hoping for all armies in 40k to get a 7E codex. Then I and my group shall stay in 7th ed forever.

**Elgrun**

Found a new one

" The grail Vow: You can re-roll all failed hit rolls for this unit if, before rolling the dice, you hold aloft a grail or goblet and shout ‘For the Lady’ in a heroic voice. "

Definition of the word cringe? I feel whoever wrote these has a stereotype that people who play the hobby are these "zaney" types that lap up this kind of stuff. I don't have anything against those people but now I'm forced to become one to go by the rules?

**Tannhauser42**

No, I don't really want to see this coming to 40K.

Having said that, though, I do fully approve of the rule for Dwarven grumbling.

**djphranq**

Ugh. Its like XXXenophile all over again haha

**Blacksails**

Selym wrote:

I'm hoping for all armies in 40k to get a 7E codex. Then I and my group shall stay in 7th ed forever.

I feel like if I'm going to become an oldhammer player, it'll be a mish-mash of several editions with point adjustments, restrictions, and re-writes and additions.

**vipoid**

I think the AoS rules would be the perfect next step for 40k.

That way GW will finally bankrupt itself and the IP can be bought by a better company.

**BrianDavion**

vipoid wrote:
I think the AoS rules would be the perfect next step for 40k.

That way GW will finally bankrupt itself and the IP can be bought by a better company.

ok, you do realize that if the warhammer IP is bought up, it very likely won't be by a company intreasted in making a miniatures game right?