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I've said a few times (and heard others say) that you could randomly roll eldar units to make a decent army list. So I gave it a bash today. Rules were as follows;
Generate HQ (they have 12 HQ's, roll a d6 to determine first 6 or second 6, then roll again to determine which HQ by order in the book)
Generate wargear for said HQ, rolling a d6 to determine if they take the options listed (on a 4+ they do), then randomly generate powers (if required) by rolling a d6 for which psychic school they will generate each power from.
Generate 2x Troops (same method as HQ, but in addition, determine if they add any additional troopers and if so, how many)
Now mandatory slots are filled, roll a d6 for each additional unit.
1 = HQ 2 = Troop
3 = Elite
4 = FA 5 = Heavy Support
6 = Lord of War
As soon as all available slots are filled, re-roll any result that doesn't fit in a CAD.
Generate each unit as per previous, rolling randomly for each option (including dedicated transports and all their oprions as well). Cease when you've reached the points limit.
Heavy Support
389 - 8x Dark Reapers, Starshot Missiles, Wave Serpent, Twin Linked Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon
159 - 3x Dark Reapers, Starshot missiles, Exarch, Tempest Launcher
125 - 2x War Walkers, 3x Shuriken Cannons, 1x Suncannon
1822 points.
Use the remaining 28 points to either give the wraithknight a second starcannon and upgrade the other 3 shuricannons on the warwalkers to suncannons
or
Round the Guardian Defenders out to 20 models and get them another scatter laser platform.
Switch the 6th Ed Serpent from the Reapers to the Fragons and it's a serviceable list (though you would forever hate yourself if you actually builkt a wraithknight with the cannon/shield).
Stick the Spiritseer in with either the guardians or the fragons (assuming you switch the reapers serpent to the fragons) and either use shrouded or protect, respectively, to keep your dudes alive after getting out and popping something.
Feel free to stick 3 of the Fragons/Spiders/Reapers into an aspect host for BS5 for free.
It's certainly not optimal, but it's also not the worst list ever for a casual game given that the units were completely randomly plucked out by the whim of the dice.
Hmmm... Wonder what would happen if we did the same for CSM eh?
Oh Dark Gods, why?
Spoiler:
HQ 165 - Fabulous Bill
270 - Daemon Prince, Mark of Slaanesh, ML3, Wings (Symphony of Pain, Sensory Overload), (Ecstactic Siezures), (Life Leach)
Troops
67 - 10x Cultists, Shotgun, flamer, 4x Autoguns, Mark of Slaanesh
139 - 5x CSM, Mark of Nurgle, 1x additional CCW, 1x trade bolter for CCW, 1x Melta Gun, 1x Gift of mutation (Feel no Pain), Melta Bombs
377 - 17x CSM, 5x additional CCW, 3x trade bolter for CCW, 1x Plasma pistol exchang for bolt pistol, 1x Heavy bolter, Mark of Nurgle, Icon of Vengance, Rhino
284 - 15x CSM, 3x additional CCW, 4x exchange bolter for CCW, 1x Flamer, 1x Power Lance (!), 1x Combi bolter, Mark of Khorne, Rhino, Warpflame Gargoyles, Extra armour, Destroyer Blades
Elites
190 - 5x Possessed, Mark of Tzeentch, 2x Gifts (Spawn, +1 Str to shooting weapon [note, possessed don't even have shooting weapons]), Icon of Vengance [note, they're already fearless, the Icon of Vengance grants fearless but still costs 5 points], VotLW
Fast Attack
153 - 5x Raptors, Mark of Nurgle, 1x Flamer, 1x Chain Axe, 1x Combi Plasma, 1x Gift (Crusader), Icon of Despair [note, raptors come stock with fear, the Icon of Despair gives fear but costs 10 points]
183 - 7x Raptors, Mark of Tzeentch, 1x Power Fist, 1x Combi Plasma, 1x Melta Bombs
Total - 1828
What is this I don't even?
Fear on a unit that already has it, Fearless on a unit that already has it, non assault combi weapons on units that want to assault, a Power Lance!, no heavy supports, a prince with neither MoN or MoT, no armour and 2 rolls on Slaanesh when you have no noise marines, mark of tzeentch on a unit with no natural invo, the madness just doesn't end.
Do whatever with the remaining 32 points, nothing can save this random collection of junk.
Switch a rhino over to the 5 man marines, stick Fabulous Bill in the small nurgle unit to make them fearless and enhance the khorne blob to make them fearless and get +1 strength, but there is not really anything you can do since you've basically got 30 footslogging marines with no punch and a number of MSU overcosted T4 fast units with no supporting fire at all.
No. Just no.
Peregrine wrote: What, you don't like rolling dice to see how many dice you roll? Why are you such an anti-dice bigot?
Sweet Jeezus, Mary mother of God! That CSM list is horrendous!
Please note, for those of you who play Chaos Daemons as a faction the term "Daemon" is potentially offensive. Instead, please play codex "Chaos: Mortally Challenged". Thank you.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
So, would anyone be happier if the Eldar codex contained 50% equipment upgrades or combinations that were awful/made no sense/didn't function? Because as an ork and guard player I don't wish that on other people, I just wish they'd fix mine.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
the_scotsman wrote: So, would anyone be happier if the Eldar codex contained 50% equipment upgrades or combinations that were awful/made no sense/didn't function? Because as an ork and guard player I don't wish that on other people, I just wish they'd fix mine.
No, I think the point he was trying to make is that it doesn't matter what units in the Eldar codex you take they are all good, and some are completely brokenly amazing. And that a randomly generated Eldar list can wreck some of the better builds of other codexs.
I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders
Pro: I run IA13 R&H. Con: anyone can turn round and say feth that I am not playing against you : (
Please note, for those of you who play Chaos Daemons as a faction the term "Daemon" is potentially offensive. Instead, please play codex "Chaos: Mortally Challenged". Thank you.
The format is somewhat biased in favor of Eldar and against CSM in that most Eldar units have very limited options for wargear whereas CSM have the largest wargear section of any army.
In the spirit of not being a total hypocrite, I decided to give it a try:
Warp Spiders 120 points -Exarch with Spinneret Rifle
Heavy Support: Vaul's Wrath Support Battery 95 points -2x Support Weapons -Warlock -2x Vibro Cannon
Total: 1852 points
Bye the Chaos Gods this list is awful. No psychic support, no Wave Serpents, no synergy, too many wasted points. Since we're allowed to move things around I'd put the Warlock with the Storm Guardians. The best thing this list has going for it is Illic with the large group of Rangers Infiltrating into my opponent's deployment zone and the Warp Spiders. The Avatar of Khaine also isn't half bad with the Storm Guardians and Wraithblades.
Drasius, I'd say that your post represents good dice outcomes while mine represents bad. Most people will have results somewhere in between.
Believe it or not, Eldar are an army that is highly reliant on unit synergy. Every part works in concert with each other to dominate the battlefield. Without any sort of synergy, the army just falls apart. I'm pretty sure even Ghazkull's Orks could beat an Eldar army with as little unit synergy as the one I generated.
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Deffkoptas ··Deffkopta [Buzzsaw, Kustom Mega-blasta] ··Deffkopta [Twin-linked Big Shoota] ··Deffkopta [Kustom Mega-blasta] ··Deffkopta [Bigbomm, Buzzsaw, Twin-linked Big Shoota] ··Deffkopta [Twin-linked Big Shoota]
+ Heavy Support +
Morkanaut [Extra Armour, Kustom Force Field]
+ Lord of War +
Kill Krusha Tank (FW) [Big Shoota, Grot Bomm, 2x Grot Sponson, Rockit Launcha, 3x Twin Big Shoota]
Automatically Appended Next Post: So its a fluffy mek shop lists with lots of grots (94!) some boyz and a some funky vehicles. I guess I would put the warphead with the boyz, the mek inside the lord of war and Rustgob's Runts inside the Trukk. Spread out the grots trough my deployment zone put the Morkanaut and the jet bikes up front And then ehm I would .... I have no idea how to play this list. Anyone any idea ?
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TheNewBlood wrote: It could be worse. Not only do Chaos Daemos have random wargear, they could have to roll for random army composition too!
What saves Daemons though is that we have a bunch of amazing default weapons to fall back on, while outside of the Lesser Gifts, the other two tables are filled with absolutely stellar abilities...
One game I rolled up both Daemonic Resilience and Dark Blessing, and then landed Precog on my LoC who defaulted his Lesser roll to the Boomstick... That ******** proceeded to pretty much walk through my CSM opponent's army by himself. He would have been even nastier had I landed Corpulescence, (+1W & IWND), instead of the re-roll invulns from Dark Blessing.
As odd as it may sound, the random factor not only adds a lot of character to Daemons, but it's also the only thing keeping them balanced!
I was thinking the same thing.
Except not now its getting late. But a vassal game like this would be great. A normal game would be better but I don't want to collect an collection large enough to generate these insane armies
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TheNewBlood wrote: The format is somewhat biased in favor of Eldar and against CSM in that most Eldar units have very limited options for wargear whereas CSM have the largest wargear section of any army.
In the spirit of not being a total hypocrite, I decided to give it a try:
Warp Spiders 120 points
-Exarch with Spinneret Rifle
Heavy Support:
Vaul's Wrath Support Battery 95 points
-2x Support Weapons
-Warlock
-2x Vibro Cannon
Total: 1852 points
Bye the Chaos Gods this list is awful. No psychic support, no Wave Serpents, no synergy, too many wasted points. Since we're allowed to move things around I'd put the Warlock with the Storm Guardians. The best thing this list has going for it is Illic with the large group of Rangers Infiltrating into my opponent's deployment zone and the Warp Spiders. The Avatar of Khaine also isn't half bad with the Storm Guardians and Wraithblades.
Drasius, I'd say that your post represents good dice outcomes while mine represents bad. Most people will have results somewhere in between.
Believe it or not, Eldar are an army that is highly reliant on unit synergy. Every part works in concert with each other to dominate the battlefield. Without any sort of synergy, the army just falls apart. I'm pretty sure even Ghazkull's Orks could beat an Eldar army with as little unit synergy as the one I generated.
amusing how you somehow managed to pick almost ALL of the worst units out of the eldar codex with your "Random" choices.
I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders
I actually like those lists are they bad na not at all. Random eldar lists might have some strange unit load outs* but these 2 lists would actually be fun to play I think
* Not sure what all those upgrades do but they don;t seem to make much sense since I never encounter most of them
And one some more This is fun and they are fast to generate
Spoiler:
++ Eldar Craftworlds: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++
+ HQ +
Asurmen, The Hand of Asuryan
Spiritseer
··Spiritseer [Faolchu's Wing, Shard of Anaris (Remnant of Glory), The Phoenix Gem, Uldanorethi Long Rifle (Remnant of Glory)]
+ Troops +
Dire Avengers [6x Dire Avenger]
··Dire Avenger Exarch [Diresword and shuriken pistol]
··Wave Serpent [Crystal Targeting Matrix, Holo-fields, Shuriken cannon, Spirit stones, Star engines, Twin-linked Eldar missile launchers]
Dire Avengers [7x Dire Avenger]
··Dire Avenger Exarch [Power weapon and shimmershield]
··Wave Serpent [Holo-fields, Shuriken cannon, Spirit stones, Star engines, Twin-linked shuriken cannons, Vectored engines]
Guardian Defenders [11x Guardian]
Rangers [6x Ranger]
Storm Guardians [16x Guardian with Chainsword and Shuriken pistol]
··Guardian with special weapon [Flamer]
··Warlock [Witchblade]
··Wave Serpent [Twin-linked shuriken cannons, Twin-linked shuriken catapults]
+ Lord of War +
Wraithknight [Scatter laser, Starcannon, Two Heavy Wraithcannons]
Spoiler:
+++ New Roster (1829pts) +++
++ Eldar Craftworlds: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++
+ HQ +
Spiritseer
··Spiritseer [Firesabre (Remnant of Glory), Shuriken Pistol, The Phoenix Gem]
Spiritseer
··Spiritseer [Kurnous' Bow (Remnant of Glory), Witchstaff]
+ Elites +
Fire Dragons [6x Fire Dragon]
··Fire Dragon Exarch [Firepike]
··Wave Serpent [Shuriken cannon, Spirit stones, Twin-linked shuriken cannons, Vectored engines]
+ Troops +
Guardian Defenders [15x Guardian, Platform with Shuriken cannon]
TheNewBlood wrote: The format is somewhat biased in favor of Eldar and against CSM in that most Eldar units have very limited options for wargear whereas CSM have the largest wargear section of any army.
In the spirit of not being a total hypocrite, I decided to give it a try:
Warp Spiders 120 points
-Exarch with Spinneret Rifle
Heavy Support:
Vaul's Wrath Support Battery 95 points
-2x Support Weapons
-Warlock
-2x Vibro Cannon
Total: 1852 points
Bye the Chaos Gods this list is awful. No psychic support, no Wave Serpents, no synergy, too many wasted points. Since we're allowed to move things around I'd put the Warlock with the Storm Guardians. The best thing this list has going for it is Illic with the large group of Rangers Infiltrating into my opponent's deployment zone and the Warp Spiders. The Avatar of Khaine also isn't half bad with the Storm Guardians and Wraithblades.
Drasius, I'd say that your post represents good dice outcomes while mine represents bad. Most people will have results somewhere in between.
Believe it or not, Eldar are an army that is highly reliant on unit synergy. Every part works in concert with each other to dominate the battlefield. Without any sort of synergy, the army just falls apart. I'm pretty sure even Ghazkull's Orks could beat an Eldar army with as little unit synergy as the one I generated.
amusing how you somehow managed to pick almost ALL of the worst units out of the eldar codex with your "Random" choices.
And yet its still a serviceable list. Imagine that.
I actually like those lists are they bad na not at all. Random eldar lists might have some strange unit load outs* but these 2 lists would actually be fun to play I think
* Not sure what all those upgrades do but they don;t seem to make much sense since I never encounter most of them
And one some more This is fun and they are fast to generate
Spoiler:
++ Eldar Craftworlds: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++
+ HQ +
Asurmen, The Hand of Asuryan
Spiritseer ··Spiritseer [Faolchu's Wing, Shard of Anaris (Remnant of Glory), The Phoenix Gem, Uldanorethi Long Rifle (Remnant of Glory)]
+ Troops +
Dire Avengers [6x Dire Avenger] ··Dire Avenger Exarch [Diresword and shuriken pistol] ··Wave Serpent [Crystal Targeting Matrix, Holo-fields, Shuriken cannon, Spirit stones, Star engines, Twin-linked Eldar missile launchers]
Dire Avengers [7x Dire Avenger] ··Dire Avenger Exarch [Power weapon and shimmershield] ··Wave Serpent [Holo-fields, Shuriken cannon, Spirit stones, Star engines, Twin-linked shuriken cannons, Vectored engines]
Guardian Defenders [11x Guardian]
Rangers [6x Ranger]
Storm Guardians [16x Guardian with Chainsword and Shuriken pistol] ··Guardian with special weapon [Flamer] ··Warlock [Witchblade] ··Wave Serpent [Twin-linked shuriken cannons, Twin-linked shuriken catapults]
+ Lord of War +
Wraithknight [Scatter laser, Starcannon, Two Heavy Wraithcannons]
Spoiler:
+++ New Roster (1829pts) +++
++ Eldar Craftworlds: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++
+ HQ +
Spiritseer ··Spiritseer [Firesabre (Remnant of Glory), Shuriken Pistol, The Phoenix Gem]
Spiritseer ··Spiritseer [Kurnous' Bow (Remnant of Glory), Witchstaff]
+ Elites +
Fire Dragons [6x Fire Dragon] ··Fire Dragon Exarch [Firepike] ··Wave Serpent [Shuriken cannon, Spirit stones, Twin-linked shuriken cannons, Vectored engines]
+ Troops +
Guardian Defenders [15x Guardian, Platform with Shuriken cannon]
Windriders [Windrider with Scatter laser, 2x Windrider with Shuriken cannon, Windrider with twin-linked Shuriken catapult]
+ Fast Attack +
Hemlock Wraithfighter [Fighter Ace]
+ Heavy Support +
Vaul's Wrath Support Battery ··Support weapon [Shadow weaver]
War Walkers ··War Walker [Crystal Targeting Matrix, Eldar missile launcher, Ghostwalk Matrix, Shuriken cannon, Spirit stones, Vectored engines] ··War Walker [Ghostwalk Matrix, Scatter laser, Star engines, Starcannon]
+ Lord of War +
The Avatar of Khaine
I'd say that you had more average dice luck compared to the OP's good rolls and my terrible rolls.
Here's the thing with all the lists generated so far: none of them work together as a whole. Parts work independently, but that's only because Eldar have a wide variety of specialist units. There is no army-wide synergy or plan, merely one on an individual unit level. All of these armies have serious weaknesses i terms of what they can do simply because they are literally random and disparate parts that don't make a cohesive whole.
amusing how you somehow managed to pick almost ALL of the worst units out of the eldar codex with your "Random" choices.
And yet its still a serviceable list. Imagine that.
Incorrect. If I was going to pick bad units, I would have picked more Shining Spears and Howling Banshees (only good with Jain Zar). Vypers can be good, just not with the random wargear that I rolled and not in units of six.
My list falls apart the second enemy shooting is directed at it. Virtually all it has is the Avatar of Khaine in terms of durability, and he's only good for supporting lots of Guardians(which this list doesn't have). Any decent Ork list could tear this one apart.
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For fun, I made a codex marine list. It’s a bit dysfunctional, but probably playable. Surprisingly thematic, based on the random chapter tactics. Chaplain inTDA leading assault cents, backed up by 6 dreads. Some random, mostly useless tactical squads for objectives, and a dev squad that couldn’t find their way to the armory. I wasn’t sure what do do when the points were getting close to the cap. I rolled a LR for the cents, but that would have put the list 100+ point over, so rolled again. I started down the line on the command squad until I ran out of points, then stopped.
(I did a bit differently - each upgrade had a 50% chance of being taken. If one could take the same upgrade multiple times, then each one was 50% - making squads tending towards having min+(1/2)(max-min) members. If one option could be substituted for multiple ones, there was a 50% chance of exchanging the item, then each item that it could be exchanged for was equal chance. After the minimum 1 HQ & 2 Troop selections, everything else was based on an equal random chance of appearing unless the slot was too full.)
Elites: 6x Meganobz & 1x Boss Meganob; Boss w/Bosspole, 2 Nobz w/Killsaws, 1 w/Kombi-Rokkit, 2 w/Kombi-Skorcha (on of these also has a Bosspole), 1 w/Twin-linked Shoota, and a dedicated Trukk w/Rokkit Launcha, Red Paint Job, and Wreckin' Ball
8x Tankbustas & 1x Boss Nob; 2x Bomb Squigs, Boss Nob w/Big Choppa, 1 Tankbusta w/Tankhammer, and a dedicated Trukk w/Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Reinforced Ram, and Stikkbomb Chukka
~3000 (Fully Painted)
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