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So, I've recently started painting models again after at least a 15 year break (!)
I came across my old miniatures (mainly SW and Eldar) and thought it would be fun to try again. Some of my initial painting attempts from when I was younger are hilarious. Unfortunately I have stripped the paint of some of the worst - including the heavy gloss varnish coat applied! When I finally finish my first attempt I will post some examples of my old work and my newly painted model though.
What did occur to me though was that there are so many more learning resources on the internet now that just weren't available back then. Relying on White Dwarf for painting tips 15 years ago did not really give you the advice that was needed. So here are the top 5 things I would have told my earlier self when I used to paint:
1) Thin your paints. Seriously - thin your paints! To be fair to earlier me, no-one ever told me to. Some of it looks like it was applied with a trowel
2) Don't paint out of the pot. I did use old CD cases as a palette for mixing but a lot of the time I would just dip my brush straight it. Which leads me to...
3) Keep paint out of the brush ferrule. No wonder my brushes all lot their points
4) Drybrushing should be used in moderation. It is not a way to do all your shading.
5) Varnish should be applied thinly and usually matte. Models should not be dipped in gloss varnish
A quick read of forums and blogs has quickly pointed out those mistakes and provided hundreds of new tips that mean I am much better armed to do reasonable job this time around. Honestly, the advice available is staggeringly helpful.
1: Never did it in my life
2:Always do this
3: It is alot less about losing a point and more about the bristles falling out
4: You be the judge "Large flat surface is a bad idea tho"
5: Never varnished any models except for metal ones.
I need to go to work every day.
Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
Thumbs up to that and good luck i spent the middle years of my modeling hobby not painting because i traumatized my self with failings when i first started, now getting back into it recently and painting again and its just come together! Id add to that list,
6. learn to fail as you cant always get what you want just move on try again you can always repaint it later.
7. dont stall your self afraid to paint a certain way, advanced techniques are not witchcraft. If you want it just do it.
8. practice really does make perfect.
9. using medium other than just water is a good idea.
10. share your work for criticism and except it.
3500pts1500pts2500pts4500pts3500pts2000pts 2000pts plus several small AOS armies
I would not be painting if it was not for the internet. Between this site and all the awesome tutorials on YouTube, I've learned so much and now it's just a matter of practice, practice, practice. Still tons to learn, too!
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OgreChubbs wrote: 1: Never did it in my life
2:Always do this
3: It is alot less about losing a point and more about the bristles falling out
4: You be the judge "Large flat surface is a bad idea tho"
5: Never varnished any models except for metal ones.
man stop posting such wrong stuff lol.
ive NEVER had bristles fall out of my brush because paint is in the ferrule. it causes the bristles to separate and lose its point which makes the brush no good anymore. also you never thin and you paint out of the pot? this is terrible wtf....
just don't give people advice I got the WORST advice from people like yourself who are know-it-alls but don't know anything that caused me a lot of trouble when i started. it really urks me you're doing this
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you do if you think about it. the paint drys and thickens the hair which then naturally cant sit close together
So if I clean my brushes carefully after every use, this shouldn't happen?
Rule #173 I have learned so far: Something like this http://www.generalpencil.com/the-mastersreg-brush-cleaner-and-preserver.html after each painting session adds about 5 mins of time but preserves the shape and condition of the brush. There are various brands and types including liquid ones. This one was available locally and has been working for me.
Rule #173 I have learned so far: Something like this http://www.generalpencil.com/the-mastersreg-brush-cleaner-and-preserver.html after each painting session adds about 5 mins of time but preserves the shape and condition of the brush. There are various brands and types including liquid ones. This one was available locally and has been working for me.
OgreChubbs wrote: 1: Never did it in my life
2:Always do this
3: It is alot less about losing a point and more about the bristles falling out
4: You be the judge "Large flat surface is a bad idea tho"
5: Never varnished any models except for metal ones.
man stop posting such wrong stuff lol.
ive NEVER had bristles fall out of my brush because paint is in the ferrule. it causes the bristles to separate and lose its point which makes the brush no good anymore. also you never thin and you paint out of the pot? this is terrible wtf....
just don't give people advice I got the WORST advice from people like yourself who are know-it-alls but don't know anything that caused me a lot of trouble when i started. it really urks me you're doing this
Hey dont hate the messanger cause you need more help to make things look good. My message as always is you can use dirt cheap stuff never need to water down paint and paint from the pot so you do not waste money.
If you dont like it oh well it works and it works well, I do not give bad advise to anyone I give them a real anwser. Not if you spend more money buying this cleaning crap for 100$ brushes you can be good. I seen tons of people on here preaching buy the best stuff ect ect. If that was the case they would be better painters and they are not. I got advise from people to telling me to buy expensive crap that did the same as dollar store stuff. You either have the skill to make it look good or you dont. You cant buy skill and talent.
In short yes the 100$ brushes are good and can be very amazing but only a very small percent of the people that buy them actually know how to use them correctly. Buy what your skills are able to master and are required for the medium.
Go to any basketball cort the guy with the best gear always sucks the most.
I need to go to work every day.
Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
All I'd say is that different people have different expectations, and if the materials and techniques employed get your own miniatures to the standard that you're content with, then that's all that matters.
If one is seeking advice, it is perhaps beneficial to seek out examples of an advisors work, especially if their advice seems to run counter to popular opinion, and determine if the standard of the advisors work is of a level you'd be happy with, or that you would wish to aspire to.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
OgreChubbs wrote: 1: Never did it in my life
2:Always do this
3: It is alot less about losing a point and more about the bristles falling out
4: You be the judge "Large flat surface is a bad idea tho"
5: Never varnished any models except for metal ones.
man stop posting such wrong stuff lol.
ive NEVER had bristles fall out of my brush because paint is in the ferrule. it causes the bristles to separate and lose its point which makes the brush no good anymore. also you never thin and you paint out of the pot? this is terrible wtf....
just don't give people advice I got the WORST advice from people like yourself who are know-it-alls but don't know anything that caused me a lot of trouble when i started. it really urks me you're doing this
Hey dont hate the messanger cause you need more help to make things look good. My message as always is you can use dirt cheap stuff never need to water down paint and paint from the pot so you do not waste money.
If you dont like it oh well it works and it works well, I do not give bad advise to anyone I give them a real anwser. Not if you spend more money buying this cleaning crap for 100$ brushes you can be good. I seen tons of people on here preaching buy the best stuff ect ect. If that was the case they would be better painters and they are not. I got advise from people to telling me to buy expensive crap that did the same as dollar store stuff. You either have the skill to make it look good or you dont. You cant buy skill and talent.
In short yes the 100$ brushes are good and can be very amazing but only a very small percent of the people that buy them actually know how to use them correctly. Buy what your skills are able to master and are required for the medium.
Go to any basketball cort the guy with the best gear always sucks the most.
yeh i thought this was you. talking about just mc gaivering stuff around the house to save a buck
1 - there are not 100 dollar brushes. rosemary and co have pure sable brushes for 15 bucks. your earlier suggestions to use 5 dollar brushes were stupid not because its cheap but because for miniature painting you need the brush to have a point. that would be like telling someone to use water color paint for models. its just a bad idea
2 - buying 5 dollar brush soap will make your brushes last for a LOOONG time. most good painters ive found only use a few brushes anyway. if you bought 4 brushes a year and a brush soap, were talking 65 bucks for TOP QUALITY brushes a year. are you saying this is "too much" in a hobby where a single dragon is 140 bucks and an army cost at least 1 grand?
i just keep seeing you posting advice on these forums that are just downright harmful to someone learning to paint. im sure since we live in a mega PC world this is gonna upset some people but from what i see in your gallery, you shouldn't be giving anyone advice. you are wrong about all of that.
also a side note. my entire family played basketball in college on some level be id D1 or D3, who the feth is wearing "gear". ive never seen anyone at any basketball anything have "expensive gear" other than dumbass shoes that guys seem to love but for an entire season run you still only 150 bucks and the school is paying for it anyway. I just never saw a person so outright wrong its really got me triggered rofl
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Azreal13 wrote: All I'd say is that different people have different expectations, and if the materials and techniques employed get your own miniatures to the standard that you're content with, then that's all that matters.
If one is seeking advice, it is perhaps beneficial to seek out examples of an advisors work, especially if their advice seems to run counter to popular opinion, and determine if the standard of the advisors work is of a level you'd be happy with, or that you would wish to aspire to.
no way. I'm an above avg painter and with a brush that cannot hold a point I would not achieve good results AT ALL. furthermore those 5 dollar plastic crap brushes do not move paint the way it needs to. anyone of any level will benefit from proper gear. it may be minimal but it will be there and when we are spending thousands on toys and hours and hours to paint them, why on earth would 50 bucks ruin your day to vastly improve that time spent
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I dont think yhe expensive stuff id what the issue is here. Yes sure if you can paint very well you will propably be able to use crap products and it will come out half descent. I for one cant afford the expensive gw brushes that go for 100 to 300 rand, so i opt for tamiya brushes that go fo about 23 rand. Yes quality tools dont make you a better painter...but it does make life alot easier.stick in there wobblygoblin, there is plesnty people on this forum that will give great advice, i for one have had some people pm me with tutorials and such. Post some picks of your older minis.and old minis can be stripped of paint and givrn a new lease on life.
Azreal13 wrote: All I'd say is that different people have different expectations, and if the materials and techniques employed get your own miniatures to the standard that you're content with, then that's all that matters.
If one is seeking advice, it is perhaps beneficial to seek out examples of an advisors work, especially if their advice seems to run counter to popular opinion, and determine if the standard of the advisors work is of a level you'd be happy with, or that you would wish to aspire to.
no way. I'm an above avg painter and with a brush that cannot hold a point I would not achieve good results AT ALL. furthermore those 5 dollar plastic crap brushes do not move paint the way it needs to. anyone of any level will benefit from proper gear. it may be minimal but it will be there and when we are spending thousands on toys and hours and hours to paint them, why on earth would 50 bucks ruin your day to vastly improve that time spent
Perhaps I was being too subtle?
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
you do if you think about it. the paint drys and thickens the hair which then naturally cant sit close together
So if I clean my brushes carefully after every use, this shouldn't happen?
liquid brush soap and masters brush cleaner are great for stopping this or prolonging this from happening on any serious level. i also see people will rinse in the paint water and then just put the brush away. you need to run it under clear water somehow.
Azreal13 wrote: All I'd say is that different people have different expectations, and if the materials and techniques employed get your own miniatures to the standard that you're content with, then that's all that matters.
If one is seeking advice, it is perhaps beneficial to seek out examples of an advisors work, especially if their advice seems to run counter to popular opinion, and determine if the standard of the advisors work is of a level you'd be happy with, or that you would wish to aspire to.
no way. I'm an above avg painter and with a brush that cannot hold a point I would not achieve good results AT ALL. furthermore those 5 dollar plastic crap brushes do not move paint the way it needs to. anyone of any level will benefit from proper gear. it may be minimal but it will be there and when we are spending thousands on toys and hours and hours to paint them, why on earth would 50 bucks ruin your day to vastly improve that time spent
Perhaps I was being too subtle?
no im a dick cus i was so triggered by that other guy. everything you said was perfect my bad. if your gear gets you the results you expect then its perfect. yes thats accurate i guess. i could only say "maybe better gear would EXCEED your expectations"
my bad man. this guy was on a few other threads that got me salty as hell. i'm a fan of teaching people. i enjoy seeing people get better and yeh im just in a bad mood when i see harmful advice given from this "i know what im doing this is good advice" platform that the internet provides
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There is a saying 'all the gear, no idea'
This is true to a point that you can buy all the best equipment out there and still not be that good. However the caveat to this is that a decent brush will ALWAYs improve your work. Of course this doesn't mean buying the most expensive brush on the market but certainly something halfway decent. (subjective I know)
My advice based on this thread so far...
1. I'd also argue that Masters brush cleaner is fantastic.
2. Using a wet pallet is both cheap and extremely helpful.
3. Sift through all the BS on the internet and pick out those golden nuggets of helpful information.
4. Thin your paint
Automatically Appended Next Post: oh yes, one more, don't paint straight from the pot, I have done this (and sometimes still do) and always regret it as you're paint will be too thick or you'll pick up dried paint.
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I've been playing a while, my first model was a lead marine and my first White Dwarf was bound with staples
Azreal13 wrote: All I'd say is that different people have different expectations, and if the materials and techniques employed get your own miniatures to the standard that you're content with, then that's all that matters.
If one is seeking advice, it is perhaps beneficial to seek out examples of an advisors work, especially if their advice seems to run counter to popular opinion, and determine if the standard of the advisors work is of a level you'd be happy with, or that you would wish to aspire to.
no way. I'm an above avg painter and with a brush that cannot hold a point I would not achieve good results AT ALL. furthermore those 5 dollar plastic crap brushes do not move paint the way it needs to. anyone of any level will benefit from proper gear. it may be minimal but it will be there and when we are spending thousands on toys and hours and hours to paint them, why on earth would 50 bucks ruin your day to vastly improve that time spent
Perhaps I was being too subtle?
no im a dick cus i was so triggered by that other guy. everything you said was perfect my bad. if your gear gets you the results you expect then its perfect. yes thats accurate i guess. i could only say "maybe better gear would EXCEED your expectations"
my bad man. this guy was on a few other threads that got me salty as hell. i'm a fan of teaching people. i enjoy seeing people get better and yeh im just in a bad mood when i see harmful advice given from this "i know what im doing this is good advice" platform that the internet provides
Lol, no worries, I suspect we're on the same page, I was just trying to be more diplomatic.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Huron black heart wrote: There is a saying 'all the gear, no idea'
This is true to a point that you can buy all the best equipment out there and still not be that good. However the caveat to this is that a decent brush will ALWAYs improve your work. Of course this doesn't mean buying the most expensive brush on the market but certainly something halfway decent. (subjective I know)
My advice based on this thread so far...
1. I'd also argue that Masters brush cleaner is fantastic.
2. Using a wet pallet is both cheap and extremely helpful.
3. Sift through all the BS on the internet and pick out those golden nuggets of helpful information.
4. Thin your paint
Automatically Appended Next Post: oh yes, one more, don't paint straight from the pot, I have done this (and sometimes still do) and always regret it as you're paint will be too thick or you'll pick up dried paint.
i would really like to know what people think a good or even tolerable brush cost
- gw brushes - buy that entire set and we are talking 8 bucks a brush more if individually
- rosemary and co brushes are pure sable and are 12 ish per. thats basically the sameprice
- army painter sells them for 4-8 dollars each
heres my question. are you telling me there are people who look at the army painter and rosemary brushes and say "yeh screw paying 8 dollars more for a MUUUUUUUUUUUUCH better brush that holds a point and is not a synthetic brush (so can be cleaned and thus last longer than crappy synthetics making it cheaper in the long run). is there a person like that other than this guy in the thread? it makes NO sense to me. even the winsor and newton i use at 20 each. who gives a gak about 20 bucks when we are spending hundreds of hours building and painting these things. surely a tool to do that task is worth 20 more bucks at MOST?
OgreChubbs wrote: 1: Never did it in my life
2:Always do this
3: It is alot less about losing a point and more about the bristles falling out
4: You be the judge "Large flat surface is a bad idea tho"
5: Never varnished any models except for metal ones.
man stop posting such wrong stuff lol.
ive NEVER had bristles fall out of my brush because paint is in the ferrule. it causes the bristles to separate and lose its point which makes the brush no good anymore. also you never thin and you paint out of the pot? this is terrible wtf....
just don't give people advice I got the WORST advice from people like yourself who are know-it-alls but don't know anything that caused me a lot of trouble when i started. it really urks me you're doing this
Hey dont hate the messanger cause you need more help to make things look good. My message as always is you can use dirt cheap stuff never need to water down paint and paint from the pot so you do not waste money.
If you dont like it oh well it works and it works well, I do not give bad advise to anyone I give them a real anwser. Not if you spend more money buying this cleaning crap for 100$ brushes you can be good. I seen tons of people on here preaching buy the best stuff ect ect. If that was the case they would be better painters and they are not. I got advise from people to telling me to buy expensive crap that did the same as dollar store stuff. You either have the skill to make it look good or you dont. You cant buy skill and talent.
In short yes the 100$ brushes are good and can be very amazing but only a very small percent of the people that buy them actually know how to use them correctly. Buy what your skills are able to master and are required for the medium.
Go to any basketball cort the guy with the best gear always sucks the most.
You say you don't give bad advice but then you advise people not to thin paints with water and not to varnish? Also why would getting paint above the feral make your bristles fall out?
I think you need to do some more research before you start giving advise, you honestly sound like you just started painting.
- Most paints should be thinned in order to apply a smooth coat. ( I said most not all)
- Varnish is not always necessary, but if its a gaming piece it should be varnished. it will save you time and money from doing touch ups in the long run. I can see not varnishing pieces that are being submitted for a paint competition because sometimes varnishes tend to fog paint.
- Getting paint all over your brush will keep it from having a nice fine point... i have never heard or seen the bristles start falling out because of this. Maybe you are cleaning your brush to rough.
I really think you are just trolling the page but ill just throw this out there anyways.
OgreChubbs wrote: 1: Never did it in my life
2:Always do this
3: It is alot less about losing a point and more about the bristles falling out
4: You be the judge "Large flat surface is a bad idea tho"
5: Never varnished any models except for metal ones.
man stop posting such wrong stuff lol.
ive NEVER had bristles fall out of my brush because paint is in the ferrule. it causes the bristles to separate and lose its point which makes the brush no good anymore. also you never thin and you paint out of the pot? this is terrible wtf....
just don't give people advice I got the WORST advice from people like yourself who are know-it-alls but don't know anything that caused me a lot of trouble when i started. it really urks me you're doing this
Hey dont hate the messanger cause you need more help to make things look good. My message as always is you can use dirt cheap stuff never need to water down paint and paint from the pot so you do not waste money.
If you dont like it oh well it works and it works well, I do not give bad advise to anyone I give them a real anwser. Not if you spend more money buying this cleaning crap for 100$ brushes you can be good. I seen tons of people on here preaching buy the best stuff ect ect. If that was the case they would be better painters and they are not. I got advise from people to telling me to buy expensive crap that did the same as dollar store stuff. You either have the skill to make it look good or you dont. You cant buy skill and talent.
In short yes the 100$ brushes are good and can be very amazing but only a very small percent of the people that buy them actually know how to use them correctly. Buy what your skills are able to master and are required for the medium.
Go to any basketball cort the guy with the best gear always sucks the most.
yeh i thought this was you. talking about just mc gaivering stuff around the house to save a buck
1 - there are not 100 dollar brushes. rosemary and co have pure sable brushes for 15 bucks. your earlier suggestions to use 5 dollar brushes were stupid not because its cheap but because for miniature painting you need the brush to have a point. that would be like telling someone to use water color paint for models. its just a bad idea
2 - buying 5 dollar brush soap will make your brushes last for a LOOONG time. most good painters ive found only use a few brushes anyway. if you bought 4 brushes a year and a brush soap, were talking 65 bucks for TOP QUALITY brushes a year. are you saying this is "too much" in a hobby where a single dragon is 140 bucks and an army cost at least 1 grand?
i just keep seeing you posting advice on these forums that are just downright harmful to someone learning to paint. im sure since we live in a mega PC world this is gonna upset some people but from what i see in your gallery, you shouldn't be giving anyone advice. you are wrong about all of that.
also a side note. my entire family played basketball in college on some level be id D1 or D3, who the feth is wearing "gear". ive never seen anyone at any basketball anything have "expensive gear" other than dumbass shoes that guys seem to love but for an entire season run you still only 150 bucks and the school is paying for it anyway. I just never saw a person so outright wrong its really got me triggered rofl
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Azreal13 wrote: All I'd say is that different people have different expectations, and if the materials and techniques employed get your own miniatures to the standard that you're content with, then that's all that matters.
If one is seeking advice, it is perhaps beneficial to seek out examples of an advisors work, especially if their advice seems to run counter to popular opinion, and determine if the standard of the advisors work is of a level you'd be happy with, or that you would wish to aspire to.
no way. I'm an above avg painter and with a brush that cannot hold a point I would not achieve good results AT ALL. furthermore those 5 dollar plastic crap brushes do not move paint the way it needs to. anyone of any level will benefit from proper gear. it may be minimal but it will be there and when we are spending thousands on toys and hours and hours to paint them, why on earth would 50 bucks ruin your day to vastly improve that time spent
Firstly your not an above average painter, table top at best. Secondly if you are going to try and pretend you know anything make sure you say it correctly. You never let the water into the bristles behond the furrel because it losens the furrel by the bristles expanding and causing the furrel to expand and then when the bristles dry out they shrink and the furrel does not. Thats why after cleaning them you dry them iut then hang them upside down.
Also do not go insulting someone work or advise when you act like a child because you disagree. You have far way to go before you should be giving advice both in manners and skill.
I need to go to work every day.
Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
OgreChubbs wrote: 1: Never did it in my life
2:Always do this
3: It is alot less about losing a point and more about the bristles falling out
4: You be the judge "Large flat surface is a bad idea tho"
5: Never varnished any models except for metal ones.
man stop posting such wrong stuff lol.
ive NEVER had bristles fall out of my brush because paint is in the ferrule. it causes the bristles to separate and lose its point which makes the brush no good anymore. also you never thin and you paint out of the pot? this is terrible wtf....
just don't give people advice I got the WORST advice from people like yourself who are know-it-alls but don't know anything that caused me a lot of trouble when i started. it really urks me you're doing this
Hey dont hate the messanger cause you need more help to make things look good. My message as always is you can use dirt cheap stuff never need to water down paint and paint from the pot so you do not waste money.
If you dont like it oh well it works and it works well, I do not give bad advise to anyone I give them a real anwser. Not if you spend more money buying this cleaning crap for 100$ brushes you can be good. I seen tons of people on here preaching buy the best stuff ect ect. If that was the case they would be better painters and they are not. I got advise from people to telling me to buy expensive crap that did the same as dollar store stuff. You either have the skill to make it look good or you dont. You cant buy skill and talent.
In short yes the 100$ brushes are good and can be very amazing but only a very small percent of the people that buy them actually know how to use them correctly. Buy what your skills are able to master and are required for the medium.
Go to any basketball cort the guy with the best gear always sucks the most.
You say you don't give bad advice but then you advise people not to thin paints with water and not to varnish? Also why would getting paint above the feral make your bristles fall out?
I think you need to do some more research before you start giving advise, you honestly sound like you just started painting.
- Most paints should be thinned in order to apply a smooth coat. ( I said most not all)
- Varnish is not always necessary, but if its a gaming piece it should be varnished. it will save you time and money from doing touch ups in the long run. I can see not varnishing pieces that are being submitted for a paint competition because sometimes varnishes tend to fog paint.
- Getting paint all over your brush will keep it from having a nice fine point... i have never heard or seen the bristles start falling out because of this. Maybe you are cleaning your brush to rough.
I really think you are just trolling the page but ill just throw this out there anyways.
were you quoting him? i never said not to thin paint. the opposite actually
OgreChubbs wrote: 1: Never did it in my life
2:Always do this
3: It is alot less about losing a point and more about the bristles falling out
4: You be the judge "Large flat surface is a bad idea tho"
5: Never varnished any models except for metal ones.
man stop posting such wrong stuff lol.
ive NEVER had bristles fall out of my brush because paint is in the ferrule. it causes the bristles to separate and lose its point which makes the brush no good anymore. also you never thin and you paint out of the pot? this is terrible wtf....
just don't give people advice I got the WORST advice from people like yourself who are know-it-alls but don't know anything that caused me a lot of trouble when i started. it really urks me you're doing this
Hey dont hate the messanger cause you need more help to make things look good. My message as always is you can use dirt cheap stuff never need to water down paint and paint from the pot so you do not waste money.
If you dont like it oh well it works and it works well, I do not give bad advise to anyone I give them a real anwser. Not if you spend more money buying this cleaning crap for 100$ brushes you can be good. I seen tons of people on here preaching buy the best stuff ect ect. If that was the case they would be better painters and they are not. I got advise from people to telling me to buy expensive crap that did the same as dollar store stuff. You either have the skill to make it look good or you dont. You cant buy skill and talent.
In short yes the 100$ brushes are good and can be very amazing but only a very small percent of the people that buy them actually know how to use them correctly. Buy what your skills are able to master and are required for the medium.
Go to any basketball cort the guy with the best gear always sucks the most.
yeh i thought this was you. talking about just mc gaivering stuff around the house to save a buck
1 - there are not 100 dollar brushes. rosemary and co have pure sable brushes for 15 bucks. your earlier suggestions to use 5 dollar brushes were stupid not because its cheap but because for miniature painting you need the brush to have a point. that would be like telling someone to use water color paint for models. its just a bad idea
2 - buying 5 dollar brush soap will make your brushes last for a LOOONG time. most good painters ive found only use a few brushes anyway. if you bought 4 brushes a year and a brush soap, were talking 65 bucks for TOP QUALITY brushes a year. are you saying this is "too much" in a hobby where a single dragon is 140 bucks and an army cost at least 1 grand?
i just keep seeing you posting advice on these forums that are just downright harmful to someone learning to paint. im sure since we live in a mega PC world this is gonna upset some people but from what i see in your gallery, you shouldn't be giving anyone advice. you are wrong about all of that.
also a side note. my entire family played basketball in college on some level be id D1 or D3, who the feth is wearing "gear". ive never seen anyone at any basketball anything have "expensive gear" other than dumbass shoes that guys seem to love but for an entire season run you still only 150 bucks and the school is paying for it anyway. I just never saw a person so outright wrong its really got me triggered rofl
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Azreal13 wrote: All I'd say is that different people have different expectations, and if the materials and techniques employed get your own miniatures to the standard that you're content with, then that's all that matters.
If one is seeking advice, it is perhaps beneficial to seek out examples of an advisors work, especially if their advice seems to run counter to popular opinion, and determine if the standard of the advisors work is of a level you'd be happy with, or that you would wish to aspire to.
no way. I'm an above avg painter and with a brush that cannot hold a point I would not achieve good results AT ALL. furthermore those 5 dollar plastic crap brushes do not move paint the way it needs to. anyone of any level will benefit from proper gear. it may be minimal but it will be there and when we are spending thousands on toys and hours and hours to paint them, why on earth would 50 bucks ruin your day to vastly improve that time spent
Firstly your not an above average painter, table top at best. Secondly if you are going to try and pretend you know anything make sure you say it correctly. You never let the water into the bristles behond the furrel because it losens the furrel by the bristles expanding and causing the furrel to expand and then when the bristles dry out they shrink and the furrel does not. Thats why after cleaning them you dry them iut then hang them upside down.
Also do not go insulting someone work or advise when you act like a child because you disagree. You have far way to go before you should be giving advice both in manners and skill.
you think that most recent model i painted in my gallery is tabletop quality? the herald of tzeentch lol? i mean my camera isn't the greatest but i suppose what you see doesn't tell a completely different tail.... ok lol. i'm not a crystal brush winner but im also not drybrushing my entire archaon model and giving horrible advice like you are
understand this is not an insult, i personally do not care about you. this is discrediting your advice because its HARMFUL to painters. you actually are suggesting to not water paints down and paint from the pot among other things. you then propose this strawman arguement where i provide cost for brushes and you ignore with "100 dollar brushes" which ive yet to see anyone good use or even exist
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I totally understand where eosgreen is coming from in this instance, it isn't about ability, per se, it is about the qualification of an advisor to give advice, and when someone is giving advice that deviates so far from convention, one really has to look at that individual's own results and decide whether those results are supported by such counter-cultural methods, and whether, as a new painter looking to improve, those methods are going to be effective in achieving improvement.
If someone is happy using a given range of materials and techniques and with their results, more power to them, but most of us can assess the relative quality of a paint job long before we can achieve some of the very high standards that can be seen on any site showcasing them, and I, for one, would be more inclined to follow the advice of someone who's models were finished to a standard I aspired to reach, than one I could already achieve.
I'm happy to pass on advice I've received that's positively impacted my ability, I'm happy to give my own advice if I feel that the results I obtained were worthwhile, but if I were banging around this forum claiming all I needed for a prize winning paint job was a 1/2" decorating brush and some house paint, I'd expect people to want to see evidence of what I was producing and base their adoption of any off-the-wall tips I was espousing on those results.
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Azreal13 wrote: I totally understand where eosgreen is coming from in this instance, it isn't about ability, per se, it is about the qualification of an advisor to give advice, and when someone is giving advice that deviates so far from convention, one really has to look at that individual's own results and decide whether those results are supported by such counter-cultural methods, and whether, as a new painter looking to improve, those methods are going to be effective in achieving improvement.
If someone is happy using a given range of materials and techniques and with their results, more power to them, but most of us can assess the relative quality of a paint job long before we can achieve some of the very high standards that can be seen on any site showcasing them, and I, for one, would be more inclined to follow the advice of someone who's models were finished to a standard I aspired to reach, than one I could already achieve.
I'm happy to pass on advice I've received that's positively impacted my ability, I'm happy to give my own advice if I feel that the results I obtained were worthwhile, but if I were banging around this forum claiming all I needed for a prize winning paint job was a 1/2" decorating brush and some house paint, I'd expect people to want to see evidence of what I was producing and base their adoption of any off-the-wall tips I was espousing on those results.
wow i was angry and someone on the internet actually backed me up? usually im the donkey-cave even when im right.... what else has changed outside... brb...
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