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With The Emperor still walking around

Shouldn't Guilliman, The Lion, and Sanguinius have been tried for heresy

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperium_Secundus

Did Big E approve this?

Considering that the Eastern Fringe had been cut off from the rest of the Imperium, with no means of travel or communication, someone had to step in to maintain control.

Since the idea was to rejoin the Imperium if/when such became possible, or to continue the Emperor's plan for the Imperium, should the rest of it have fallen... no, it isn't heresy at all. Such situations are common in the Imperium, with systems, sometimes even entire sub-sectors, being out of reach for centuries at a time. It is the responsibility of the offices of the Adeptus Terra to ensure Imperial policy continues to be enforced in such situations and to establish contact with the Imperium as soon as such becomes possible.

 Psienesis wrote:
Considering that the Eastern Fringe had been cut off from the rest of the Imperium, with no means of travel or communication, someone had to step in to maintain control.

Since the idea was to rejoin the Imperium if/when such became possible, or to continue the Emperor's plan for the Imperium, should the rest of it have fallen... no, it isn't heresy at all. Such situations are common in the Imperium, with systems, sometimes even entire sub-sectors, being out of reach for centuries at a time. It is the responsibility of the offices of the Adeptus Terra to ensure Imperial policy continues to be enforced in such situations and to establish contact with the Imperium as soon as such becomes possible.

Out of Curiosity, who had the most authority in the Imperium Secondus

Guilliman, Sanginius or the Lion?

In the storyline, we haven't actually reached the part where there are repercussions of imperium secundus. (And the emperor may have never actually found out)
When imperium secundus was founded, the other primarchs thought that terra was already lost.

There's probably a reason it's referred to as the unremembered empire.


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LightKing wrote:

Guilliman, Sanginius or the Lion?

Sanguinius was the emperor, Guilliman was in charge of organisation and the Lion the military.

Their internal power struggles is a big part of the stories.

LightKing wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Considering that the Eastern Fringe had been cut off from the rest of the Imperium, with no means of travel or communication, someone had to step in to maintain control.

Since the idea was to rejoin the Imperium if/when such became possible, or to continue the Emperor's plan for the Imperium, should the rest of it have fallen... no, it isn't heresy at all. Such situations are common in the Imperium, with systems, sometimes even entire sub-sectors, being out of reach for centuries at a time. It is the responsibility of the offices of the Adeptus Terra to ensure Imperial policy continues to be enforced in such situations and to establish contact with the Imperium as soon as such becomes possible.

Out of Curiosity, who had the most authority in the Imperium Secondus

Guilliman, Sanginius or the Lion?

Technically Sanguinius, as he was the one given the mantle of leadership, though I am sure arguments could be made in favor of Guilliman or El'Jonson, given that the former was in control of the logistical side of the Imperium Secundus and the latter in control of its military forces.

 Psienesis wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Considering that the Eastern Fringe had been cut off from the rest of the Imperium, with no means of travel or communication, someone had to step in to maintain control.

Since the idea was to rejoin the Imperium if/when such became possible, or to continue the Emperor's plan for the Imperium, should the rest of it have fallen... no, it isn't heresy at all. Such situations are common in the Imperium, with systems, sometimes even entire sub-sectors, being out of reach for centuries at a time. It is the responsibility of the offices of the Adeptus Terra to ensure Imperial policy continues to be enforced in such situations and to establish contact with the Imperium as soon as such becomes possible.

Out of Curiosity, who had the most authority in the Imperium Secondus

Guilliman, Sanginius or the Lion?

Technically Sanguinius, as he was the one given the mantle of leadership, though I am sure arguments could be made in favor of Guilliman or El'Jonson, given that the former was in control of the logistical side of the Imperium Secundus and the latter in control of its military forces.

did Guilliman actually want The Lion to be leader but Sanguinius took the mantle instead?

That is what the Lexicanum article states, yes.

People forget that the characters in the Heresy do not, and will not, have the kind of bird's eye view of everything going on that the readers have. The entirety of Imperium Secundus is clearly going to be covered up. It doesn't matter if it is or isn't heresy, because no one is ever going to hear about it in-universe. If not Guilliman, than the HLoT will be the ones to order it.

We know that the Scouring includes massive burning and purging of all "unwanted" information, and I'd bet money on the existance of Imperium Secundus being pretty high on that list.

 Psienesis wrote:
That is what the Lexicanum article states, yes.

isn't that quite odd..you think Guilliman's first thought would be Sanguinius, since he is the most liked primarch amongst the imperium...its odd that he initially thought the Lion should be leader

No, Guilliman was reluctant giving the mantle to the Lion (because of his secrecy among other things), but would settle for any loyal Primarch. Sanguinius' arrival gave him a much better choice.

Engrenages wrote:
No, Guilliman was reluctant giving the mantle to the Lion (because of his secrecy among other things), but would settle for any loyal Primarch. Sanguinius' arrival gave him a much better choice.

the lexicanum article says he proposed the Lion take the leadership role

LightKing wrote:

Engrenages wrote:
No, Guilliman was reluctant giving the mantle to the Lion (because of his secrecy among other things), but would settle for any loyal Primarch. Sanguinius' arrival gave him a much better choice.

the lexicanum article says he proposed the Lion take the leadership role

Yes because there was no one else at that moment, like I said. Guilliman literally says (before the Lion is even arrived) that he would give the throne to any loyal son.

LightKing wrote:


the lexicanum article says he proposed the Lion take the leadership role

You seem interested in the Imperium Secundus. I hear there's this book like thing by Dan Abnett called Unremembered Empire that sort of touched on it....