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I'm not sure that what this game needed, as in what it simply couldn't do without, is yet another heavy book to carry

the newer models look nice, but the number of models with rules per book is terrible

this seriously needs to shift to faction books for a "2nd edition" such that its a rule book (smaller than at present), your faction book and then maybe a scenario/campaign book

as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it

 General Kroll wrote:

Then you don’t actually have an army. You have an AT army.

Titanicus has lost it's model range to Legions, and those terminals and cards are only a low effort gesture while they transition over to the newer system. In the last year the only specific release for Titanicus has been dice. Thats it and the game is on it's way out. Unless GW have an announcement they'd like to share with us...case closed.

But the point I'd like to make is that - yes - it sucks that we can't just have army books, but this is the first edition of Legions Imperialis and the range has to be built up over time. Horus Heresy on the other hand is on it's second edition and seems to be largely replacing existing FW kits, so having army books makes sense as players already have the models to use.

Getting back to Knights, its ridiculous because they were effectively ready to go with only the need for Armigers - a single plastic kit to provide the basic troop option. Afterall, in the sister game Heresy - which Legions is clearly meant to complement - you only have a Knight for at least every two Armigers. No reason at all why they couldn't have done the same for Legions and boast a 3rd faction with the lowest effort possible. Or so it seems...

This is why I recommend going into Legions slowly and not trying to build a large collection too fast; I strongly believe that Legions will be softly relaunched either next year, or at the latest 2026, and we'll see a revision of balancing and probably see the introduction of collected army books. At the same time, both Titanicus and Aeronautica will be discontinued.

I'm guessing that something didn't go according to plan with the development of Legions Imperialis as it was supposed to launch in August, but delayed to November. GW also recommended a standard game is 3K points but the reality turned out to be 1.5K points, with 3K points being the realistic budget to comfortably include Titans. Both AT and AI are pretty much abandoned games, but still on sale with just the release of bases and dice. I'm guessing that GW slightly alterered course and are plaining a revision of the game, and have kept both AT and AI around to fill the gap and adjust Legions to reflect that; Titans and Knights are either in their own exclusive mode or very limited support. On top of all this, there are clear issues with balancing which prevent it from being a tournament-worthy game, which GW cannot leave unaddressed...

So for the time being...we should just see it as a good thing that Epic is back and focus on just slowly getting up to speed and making more of 1.5K battles. Any book purchases made with the clear intention of being replaced by compendiums, and sent to the charity shops...

leopard wrote:


as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it

I find LI a crap game, but nobody needs to carry around "too much paper", just copy the pages where the data cards of the units you are using

SU-152 wrote:
...nobody needs to carry around "too much paper", just copy the pages where the data cards of the units you are using

Isn't this how 40k players do it? Maybe they'll have their codex on hand but usually it's just the list and a few reference sheets.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.

A HQ detachment on Centuar would be welcome

leopard wrote:
I'm not sure that what this game needed, as in what it simply couldn't do without, is yet another heavy book to carry

the newer models look nice, but the number of models with rules per book is terrible

this seriously needs to shift to faction books for a "2nd edition" such that its a rule book (smaller than at present), your faction book and then maybe a scenario/campaign book

as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it

Nothing a few pics on my ipad can’t resolve.

I just got my Fast Attack box and while I always knew that the bikes and jetbikes are on bigger bases I somehow never realized that those are 32mm and not 40mm.
(There goes my plan to use my 2 left over 40mm from the 2x4 new bases I ordered for my 6 Questoris knights to get two more bases of bikes with only 2 per base, oh well)

But that got me thinking, 40mm was already in use by the Questoris for AT so they had to produce them anyways but 32mm isn't used anywhere else for now (Armigers are on 25mm right?)
Producing a mold just for the few bases for that single kit and especially one big enough for 5 (maybe 6 but I only got 5) different designs seems wastefull to me. They could have just changed the numbers of models per base or put them on the already exiting 40mm bases. Personally I think the bikes look a bit cramped anyways.

That makes me think that these won't be the only models to use 32mm bases.
Which in turn brings me to the question, what else is there in the range that could use 32mm bases?
I can't think of anything in the Space Marine or Solar Auxilia ranges that would be big enough while still using bases?

For Mechanicum there is the Thanatar for example but is there anything in the other factions that I'm missing that could also use those bases?

Well, with the Diddy Sentinels out for AoD, I could see those being two to a base for 32mm?

 Matrindur wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.

SA don't have the Chimera or any of those chassis variants, the only thing that could probably fit the light slot is the Carnodon

They don't have now. They have the moment gw says they do.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

leopard wrote:
I'm not sure that what this game needed, as in what it simply couldn't do without, is yet another heavy book to carry

the newer models look nice, but the number of models with rules per book is terrible

this seriously needs to shift to faction books for a "2nd edition" such that its a rule book (smaller than at present), your faction book and then maybe a scenario/campaign book

as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it

Nothing a few pics on my ipad can’t resolve.

Or legion builder

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, with the Diddy Sentinels out for AoD, I could see those being two to a base for 32mm?

I’d think three to a base if they’re on 32s – they really are tiny.
Solar Auxilia don’t have rough riders or an equivalent do they?

Unrelated I just noticed that the Spartan hatch crew are in Mk VI armour while the Proteus crew are all in Mk III and it’s fascinating that I can tell that at all.

 Matrindur wrote:

For Mechanicum there is the Thanatar for example but is there anything in the other factions that I'm missing that could also use those bases?

Potentially plastic Armigers if those ever materialise. Then there's also scope for resin things like Primarchs or Custodes models.

Belthanos wrote:

They don't have now. They have the moment gw says they do.

Chimera (and variants) are mentioned regularly in the HH novels.

leopard wrote:
I'm not sure that what this game needed, as in what it simply couldn't do without, is yet another heavy book to carry

the newer models look nice, but the number of models with rules per book is terrible

this seriously needs to shift to faction books for a "2nd edition" such that its a rule book (smaller than at present), your faction book and then maybe a scenario/campaign book

as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it

It's part of the sales/marketing model though Leopard. I should think the return on these books is pretty good - no artist costs, most of the background material is just regurgitated from other sources and a few new kits, some of which are just new variations on existing models.

I guess the good news for the longevity of Legions is that the game is perhaps doing well enough that you can drip-feed a new release and book like this, and they don't see any need to bring in new factions or any other really big system sellers yet (Admech, Primarchs etc, the scope of the setting is huge)

may well be part of the marketing stuff but enjoy the game as I do GW have essentially killed it locally through poor model availability and now they are essentially pushing the buy in cost ever higher

Do we know the prices for the warlord and warmaster titans after next months price rise?If they're going up at all?

Probably another £5 for each.