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In the past I was very critical of Defiance. However, I am very pleased with these developments.

The new bugs look good. I was afraid that they would be expensive, as I heard they would not plastic. I was pleasantly surprised to find that they are quite cheap.

The free rules is icing on the cake.

They technically are plastic, just not the Hard Plastic

kenshin620 wrote:They technically are plastic, just not the Hard Plastic

Yeah, but "technically" ain't worth gak. Finecast is technically a plastic, but that doesn't stop it being more expensive, slower to mass produce, more prone to flaws and more fragile than proper plastic.

The important bit here is that with the help of Troll Forged Miniatures, Defiance Games is making not-proper-plastic miniatures that possess at least one of the superior qualities of proper plastic: the price.

AlexHolker wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:They technically are plastic, just not the Hard Plastic

Yeah, but "technically" ain't worth gak. Finecast is technically a plastic, but that doesn't stop it being more expensive, slower to mass produce, more prone to flaws and more fragile than proper plastic.

The important bit here is that with the help of Troll Forged Miniatures, Defiance Games is making not-proper-plastic miniatures that possess at least one of the superior qualities of proper plastic: the price.

Let me assure you, Finecast *is* cheaper than metal. Otherwise, GW wouldn't be moving over to casting with it. Luckily they pass those savings onto us. Oh, wait, no. I meant "themselves".

Hmm I found the old chart

So I guess whenever Defiance says something, add two months?

kenshin620 wrote:Hmm I found the old chart

So I guess whenever Defiance says something, add two months?

So whenever Defiance sets a deadline, ignore them. They've only ever met one deadline, and that was the release of the rules the next day. I tried to convince them to give people a heads up before they reach a deadline that they know they're going to miss, but that obviously didn't take.

I'm hoping my bugs show up soon, but having been on their side of the fence I know it takes hella long to make stuff :( Better to just say "coming soon" and leave out real dates

Defiance seems to run on something called "Valve time" ( click here to learn more! https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time )

Basically, when they say a date, give up on any hope of it coming out by then, and then tack on a month or two for good measure.

Now, whether their quality will matchup with their longer than projected development time remains to be seen. The UAMC marines were alright quality wise, but ultimately were nothing that jaw dropping (guns and heads were pretty well done, legs were very soft by comparison) I haven't bought any of the bugs, as they just aren't my style, but when the Panzergrenadiers go on preorder I'll probably order two boxes. That will be the make or break moment for me. If they're awesome, I'll be buying stuff from them for a long time. If not, well, I'm not exactly rich, and I'll have to spend my money elsewhere...

Some more news:

Tony says they're moving the sprueless plastic production in-house.

He's posted a picture of a prone PZG machinegunner.

An unknown set is going into plastic production without getting feedback. The UAMC hardsuits might be heading the same way.

AlexHolker wrote:Some more news:

Tony says they're moving the sprueless plastic production in-house.

He's posted a picture of a prone PZG machinegunner.

An unknown set is going into plastic production without getting feedback. The UAMC hardsuits might be heading the same way.

Hopefully this will improve production! I mean July is almost over and the bugs I assume are no where to be seen


I love mysteries! Wonder what this unknown set is. Is it one of those sets FRP is advertising? Probably not though if it's unknown

kenshin620 wrote:I love mysteries! Wonder what this unknown set is. Is it one of those sets FPR is advertising? Probably not though if it's unknown

It probably is - the exact words were "that we haven't shown yet".

And yet they did it again. They said they would have major announcements in the next ten days. They could have just said "upcoming." And don't get me wrong, I want to buy from them.

So what do they have that is actually available and shipping at this point?

EDIT: And I mean really truly shipping. As in people getting them.

frozenwastes wrote:So what do they have that is actually available and shipping at this point?

EDIT: And I mean really truly shipping. As in people getting them.

The male UAMC.


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More "information" on that unknown kit:

Tony wrote:Here's a couple hints - they're BIG and we've never talked about them before.

This is the first Edge Set.

This tells us a lot about what they're not, but nothing about what they are.

I would not knock them too hard about their missed dates, else they may adopt a secrecy strategy like GW.

I look forward to seeing the new release.

It's not so much the missing dates,

It's the rushing on to new stuff before the old stuff is properly out.

Suposedly the bugs are cast and in house and just need boxing up, so why not dedicate all your companies time to packing boxes and getting the pre-orders out (and then boxes to ship to retail)

It would be different if all they needed to do was comission a sculptor but (I think) that's done in house too, as casting will be soon as they have machines coming in (great),

but again i'd say take the week or 2 full time, or however long is needed to box stuff and fullfill preorders as fast as possible (rather than playing with the new toys and designing new sculpts)

I agree. Although I didn't preorder any bugs, I think rewarding those that had faith enough in your product to give you money before seeing any is paramount to good service.

You're right about the dates, getting a company up to speed can be a challenge, especially if they are juggling another job at the same time while this one makes enough profit.

I just want my female marines. (Nothing fishy, I just want a modern force)

They've just added a render of the UAMC hardsuit to their facebook account:

link

Also, there's supposedly going to be pics up of the germans "today" as well as information for 3 (I"m not making this up) sets that will be launching within the next month.

Guess all we can do now is wait and see what DFG posts in a few hours. Looking foward to seeing the Germans in the flesh (plastic) and what else they've been up to during this whole time.

This has already been posted in the Trollforged thread, but is worth reposting here

Defiance Games has taken on Ed Fortae (Trollforged Miniatures) as a (part) Owner, who will be doing their casting in house using his spincastable plastic (he's the one who cast the bugs)

hopefully this will speed things up for them

http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/welcoming-ed-fortae-to-the-defiance-games-team

Finally! Shots of the German test plastic and WIP hardsuit renders:

I'm loving that hardsuit!

I like both of those. The German troops made a great transition to reality and the if the hard suit does the same (and doesn't cost a fortune) i'll have to pick some up.

I guess I should update the title

The trooper appears to either be wearing his pants way too low on his hips, or has very stubby legs. Not a fan.


The hardsuit is nicely detailed, but I can't bring myself to like that bulb-headed look in any of it's various incarnations.

Depending on reviews from people in this thread and hopefully a couple more photos of the finished models the Panzergrenadiers might end up becoming my Stormtrooper/Karskin squad.

If I'd seen the UAMC before hand I might not have purchased any IG infantry at all. $1/model? That price is right.

Germans are still horrible. Totally incompetent translation of the concept from the start.

Hard suit looks like a fun kit, looking forward to seeing the finished model.

Pricing will be $29.99 for the hardsuits, with 8 in a box. Should be loads of options, but I'm not sure what.


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plastictrees wrote:Germans are still horrible. Totally incompetent translation of the concept from the start.

Hard suit looks like a fun kit, looking forward to seeing the finished model.

Eh, if you say so, but it seems like a pretty good translation to me. The major issue is, and also has been, the neck - too little armor. However, the head is separate so, for those who wish, it can be modified with some filing down and a touch of green stuff.

For the record, that second image is the reference sheet produced by the concept artist.

The only thing that seems to have been lost was bulk, which does make the model look a bit lanky. The only other unsettling detail is the drop from the torso to the shoulders, I hope that is just a screw up in gluing them on.

I wonder if the neck looks vulnerable simply because the part's being temporarily held in place by a lump of blu-tak and is thus a little higher than intended? Regardless, as it is separate, looks pretty easy to lower it by filing the bottom of the neck joint a bit.

Re the low crotch, I'd assumed this represented some crotch armour, vital if you were planning on having kids

All looks good to me...