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Maddy_ wrote:Nova Cannon or Executioner!

Mmm maybe I'll think about it.

I've chosen 5 so far, think that's a good number.

Here is the updated version!

Stormbird 850pts

Front Side Rear BS
12 12 10 4

Unit Type:Super Heavy Flyer
Structure Points: 5
Transport: 100 (even jump infantry and terminators count as 1 model) Rhino-based vehicles count as 15 models, Land Raiders count as 25, Bikes count as 2, Attack Bikes count as 3, Baneblades and other similar size tanks count as 50.
Weapons: 1 nose-mounted twin-linked autocannon, 1 turret mounted twin-linked autocannon, two twin-linked autocannon sponsons (on wings or turbines), Hellfury Missiles.

Special Rules
Ceramite Armour
Melta Weapons NEVER roll an extra D6 for armour penetration
Large Target
models without AA weapons use normal BS instead of hitting on 6’s
Armoured Behemoth
Grants a 5+ invunerable save
Venerated Relic (Imperium Only)
If the Stormbird suffers a glancing or penetrating hit, you may ask the opponent to re-roll on the vehicle damage table. You MUST select the second result.
All allied units within 12 inch are stubbon
The Dark Gods Protect! (Chaos Only)
The Stormbirds invunerable save is improved by +1.
All allied units within 12 inch get a 5+ invunerable save.

Options:
MUST choose 1 of the following sides:
Imperium.........15pts
Chaos...............25pts

May replace any twin-linked autocannon with:
A twin-linked heavy bolter........10pts
A twin-linked Lascannon...........35pts

May replace nose-mounted twin-linked autocannon and 20% of transport capacity with:
Battle Cannon………………..……25pts
Exterminator Autocannon…..35pts
Inferno Cannon…………………..35pts
Punisher Gatling Cannon…….40pts
Demolisher Siege Cannon…..40pts

May take 2 pintle-mounted:
Heavy bolters........10pts
Autocannons.........15pts

CHAOS ONLY OPTIONS

Daemnotic Possession........10pts

If 2 pintle-mounted Heavy Bolters/Autocannons Haven't been taken, you may take:
2 Pintle-Mounted Reaper Autocannons....25pts

What do you think about it now?
C&C NEEDED!

M.K

Here's an even more up to date version,
Stormbird 850pts

Front Side Rear BS
12 12 10 4

Unit Type:Super Heavy Flyer
Structure Points: 5
Transport: 100 (even jump infantry and terminators count as 1 model) Rhino-based vehicles count as 15 models, Land Raiders count as 25, Bikes count as 2, Attack Bikes count as 3, Baneblades and other similar size tanks count as 50.
Weapons: 1 nose-mounted twin-linked autocannon, 1 turret mounted twin-linked autocannon, two twin-linked autocannon sponsons (on wings or turbines), Hellfury Missiles.
Access Points: 1 front assault ramp, 1 on each side, one at rear
Fire points: 10 Models can shoot out of each of the sides Access points

Special Rules
Ceramite Armour
Melta Weapons NEVER roll an extra D6 for armour penetration
Large Target
models without AA weapons use normal BS instead of hitting on 6’s
Armoured Behemoth
Grants a 5+ invunerable save
Venerated Relic (Imperium Only)
If the Stormbird suffers a glancing or penetrating hit, you may ask the opponent to re-roll on the vehicle damage table. You MUST select the second result.
All allied units within 12 inch are stubbon
The Dark Gods Protect! (Chaos Only)
The Stormbirds invunerable save is improved by +1.
All allied units within 12 inch get a 5+ invunerable save.

Options:
MUST choose 1 of the following sides:
Imperium.........10pts
Chaos..............30pts

May replace any twin-linked autocannon with:
A twin-linked heavy bolter........10pts
A twin-linked Lascannon...........35pts

May replace nose-mounted twin-linked autocannon and 20% of transport capacity with:
Battle Cannon………………..……25pts
Exterminator Autocannon…..35pts
Inferno Cannon…………………..35pts
Punisher Gatling Cannon…….40pts
Demolisher Siege Cannon…..40pts

May take 2 pintle-mounted:
Heavy bolters........10pts
Autocannons.........15pts

May take up to 4:
Heavy Bolters........10pts
Lascannons...........35pts

CHAOS ONLY OPTIONS

Daemnotic Possession........10pts

If 2 pintle-mounted Heavy Bolters/Autocannons Haven't been taken, you may take:
2 Pintle-Mounted Reaper Autocannons....25pts

Also, I'll try to add some more paint on the icon bearer (1)

M.K

Ceramite in its nature is a ceramic based material, while bieng resistant to heat, will still have a point of vaporization, and in that the nature of melta weapons ( http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Melta_weapon ( Thank you Lexicanum ) ) is that of a focused plasma beam. So in the end what you are saying is that a Stormbird could survive a direct collision with a star.

Plus the extra D6 is only added at half range, so whatever gets within twelve inches of the vehicle fires and lets say rolls a 1 for a penetration roll, that or misses, whatever firepower you could bring to bear on it, is literally nothing compared to what you would be capable of on your next round of shooting. Seeing as a BS of 4 and a lot of units carrying a "melta" weapon are definitely more fragile and definitely more slow ( tactical marine/ Fire Dragon with Fire Pike ) compared to the flyer.

I'm not saying that! I'm saying that because of how it was built, it's more resistant to heat than, say, the armour of a land raider

When designing a superheavy, you should compare it to other things around that price point (like titans) and then adjust the price/abilites accordingly. This one seems a bit too good for the points.

The Veverate Relic and Dark Gods' Project rules are great. Keep those!

I'd say treat meltas like normal, but no boost to rolls on the damage table for AP1 to reflect the enormous mass of the thing. My gaming group actually extends this to all superheavies, but it could be an explicit part of these rules to make the thing survivable to reflect it's mass despite being AV12 like most heavy fliers (glad you kept that AV, btw).

Alternately, leave the meltaproofing rule in (makes sense for an atmospheric entry vehicle I guess) but take the Armored Behemoth rule out. Warlord titans have no such rule, and they're comparable in scale. Some void shields would be more appropriate, as Stormbirds do actually engage in orbital combat.

Also, the transport conventions should be more in line with other transport vehicles' rules from FW etc. (not just for consistency, but because they're fairly realistic rules). Termis and jump infantry should count for 2 models. Anything on a dreadnought base (Twolves etc.) should count as 5 models. Attack bikes should be in that group of 5-count models as well. Regular bikes would be more like 3 models iirc.

Check FW transport rules. They're actually not bad.

What do void shields do again?

I am saying though another superheavy we all know of that flies drops land raiders and carries them through re-entry heat

and i believe a void shield stops a penetrating hit per shield

Stormbird 850pts

Front Side Rear BS
12 12 10 4

Unit Type:Super Heavy Flyer
Structure Points: 5
Transport: 100; Dreadnought sized models count as 5, Rhino-based vehicles count as 15 models, Land Raiders count as 25, Bikes count as 3, Attack Bikes count as 5, Baneblades and other similar size tanks count as 50.
Wargear: Weapons- 1 nose-mounted twin-linked autocannon, 1 turret mounted twin-linked autocannon, two twin-linked autocannon sponsons (on wings or turbines),2 Hellfury Missiles.
Other- Void Shields
Access Points: 1 front assault ramp, 1 on each side, one at rear
Fire points: 10 Models can shoot out of each of the sides Access points

Special Rules
Ceramite Armour
Melta Weapons NEVER roll an extra D6 for armour penetration
Large Target
models without AA weapons use normal BS instead of hitting on 6’s
5+ invunerable save
Venerated Relic (Imperium Only)
If the Stormbird suffers a glancing or penetrating hit, you may ask the opponent to re-roll on the vehicle damage table. You MUST select the second result.
All allied units within 12 inch are stubbon
The Dark Gods Protect! (Chaos Only)
The Stormbirds invunerable save is improved by +1.
All allied units within 12 inch get a 5+ invunerable save.

Options:
MUST choose 1 of the following sides:
Imperium.........10pts
Chaos..............30pts

May replace any twin-linked autocannon with:
A twin-linked heavy bolter........10pts
A twin-linked Lascannon...........35pts

May replace nose-mounted twin-linked autocannon and 20% of transport capacity with:
Battle Cannon………………..……25pts
Exterminator Autocannon…..35pts
Inferno Cannon…………………..35pts
Punisher Gatling Cannon…….40pts
Demolisher Siege Cannon…..40pts

May take 2 pintle-mounted:
Heavy bolters........10pts
Autocannons.........15pts

May take up to 4:
Heavy Bolters........10pts
Lascannons...........35pts

CHAOS ONLY OPTIONS

Daemnotic Possession........10pts

If 2 pintle-mounted Heavy Bolters/Autocannons Haven't been taken, you may take:
2 Pintle-Mounted Reaper Autocannons....25pts

Hows that?

Do you think I should add the Assault Vehicle rule to it?
As I found some of the the old rules for it which say that units that disembarked this turn can still assualt.

What do you think?

One generally picks a number of void shields, like 2-10. A Stormbird might have 3.

Also, you deleted the Armored Behemoth rule but kept the rules text saying 5+ Invuln- was that an oversight?

Everything else is looking pretty good!

As for the assault rule... well, it is a Marine vehicle so that makes sense. But maybe not assault launchers, as that would be overkill (and unlikely to survive atmospheric entry).

Oh, and a Stormbird should be able to carry a Baneblade (cool!) but it's got to be bigger than 50 infantry models equivalent. Maybe 75? I mean, 40 (50?) Krieg are supposed to fit -inside- a Medusa, right? so the footprint has got to be bigger than 50.

bunnygurl wrote:

wolfshadow wrote:

Now THAT is a ship. o_O

you are wrong! this is the mother of all the ship! impressive!

@ Savnock:
Whoops! Forgot to delete that! Then again, I forgot to change some other things too
What do you mean by assault launchers?
@ Fantasy Bob:
It is, isn't it?
I really am going to have trouble making it.

That reminds me! Does anyone think I can use the new stormraven kit to build this beasty?
M.K

No it will be too small, the vehicle you are building is larger than a thunderhawk, and the storm raven is pretty much a cropped of version of one.

Stormbird 850pts

Front Side Rear BS
12 12 10 4

Unit Type:Super Heavy Flyer
Structure Points: 5
Transport: 100; Dreadnought sized models count as 5, Rhino-based vehicles count as 15 models, Land Raiders count as 25, Bikes count as 3, Attack Bikes count as 5, Baneblades and other similar size tanks count as 75. Daemons can't be transported.
Wargear: Weapons- 1 nose-mounted twin-linked autocannon, 1 turret mounted twin-linked autocannon, two twin-linked autocannon sponsons (on wings or turbines),2 Hellfury Missiles.
Other- 3 Void Shields
Access Points: 1 front assault ramp, 1 on each side, one at rear
Fire points: 10 Models can shoot out of each of the sides Access points

Special Rules
Ceramite Armour
Melta Weapons NEVER roll an extra D6 for armour penetration
Large Target
models without AA weapons use normal BS instead of hitting on 6’s
Flying Assault Vehicle
Jump infantry, jet bikes, and units that teleport onto the battle field (terminators, obliterators, ect.) may assault after disembarking
Venerated Relic (Imperium Only)
If the Stormbird suffers a glancing or penetrating hit, you may ask the opponent to re-roll on the vehicle damage table. You MUST select the second result.
All allied units within 12 inch are stubbon
The Dark Gods Protect! (Chaos Only)
The Stormbird get a 5+ invunerable save. If Daemnotic Possession is selected, this is improved by +1.
All allied units within 12 inch get a 5+ invunerable save.

Options:
MUST choose 1 of the following sides:
Imperium.........10pts
Chaos..............30pts

May replace any twin-linked autocannon with:
A twin-linked heavy bolter........10pts
A twin-linked Lascannon...........35pts

May replace nose-mounted twin-linked autocannon and 20% of transport capacity with:
Battle Cannon………………..……25pts
Exterminator Autocannon…..35pts
Inferno Cannon…………………..35pts
Punisher Gatling Cannon…….40pts
Demolisher Siege Cannon…..40pts

May take 2 pintle-mounted:
Heavy bolters........10pts
Autocannons.........15pts

May take up to 4:
Heavy Bolters........10pts
Lascannons...........35pts

CHAOS ONLY OPTIONS

Daemnotic Possession........10pts

If 2 pintle-mounted Heavy Bolters/Autocannons Haven't been taken, you may take:
2 Pintle-Mounted Reaper Autocannons....25pts


Is that better?

Just Wondering, What pattern stormbird do you think I should build, Normal or Ultramar?
Ohh, and how do you like the rules now?


M.K

What ever is easiest if its your first time making a scatch built model

Here my aspiring Champ/s:

What's behind his spike...

...It's a space wolf helmet! Death to the space mutts!

The two Champs together

What do you think?

M.K

Hey now! I resemble that remark!

Starting to look good. I've always loved that Chaos PF. Such a great bit.

Sorry if a offended you wolfshadow!
Here's more WIP on the Aspiring Champ:

A 4 way split of the champ...

...A close up of his plasma pistol, using a new technique!

what do you think?


M.K

Your OSL is much improved! I like your scheme and fluff. I hope to see this army completed.

Thank you! I plan to complete it (unlike the foolhardy attempt at a SM and necron army) but not just complete it, complete it well with options for spearhead, planet strike and apoc.


I like this new OSL technique (thank you Winterdyne) I'm going to re-paint the plasma on the previous mini (you can understand that, can't you?)

M.K

The new OSL's really nice indeed!

Why thank you Yggdrasil.

Still painting Champ, will have more pics later!

M.K

Okay then, if you are wondring why I haven't been posting here lated is that schools started
So, any way, here are the latest pics.






M.K

They're coming along nicely, but I think they could get a wash or two to :
1. help the black / grey transitions get smoother ;
2. add some depth & details on the minis.

Otherwise, nice!

yeah, well, I was planning to do that.
He just needs some more paint on him before he gets a wash...


M.K

Awesome, so far. But like Yggdrasil said, they need some washes.

Stupid school's gotten in the way of posting on this tread...

I'm Back!

Haven't done very much on my models, but I did have a battle against nids with the SoR.

Sorry I don't have pics, but I'll say the highlights of the battle:
1. Mawloc and 3 ravaners popping up next to my CSM squad with PF and Sorcerer and assualting them.
2. After 2-3 turns of head bashing, all 3 ravaners died and my sorcerer caused a wound on the mawloc (Woot for the ) and pased his psychic test IDing it!
3.Sorcerer getting WITHING 6 inch of his shrike and KOing it with Gift of Chaos
4. My 2nd Tac squad ALMOST beating 10 or 12 'stealers but in the end loe combat and get run down.

I have blutacced a model together, but I'll get pics of that later.



M.K

That must have been fun!!! (especially the force weapon ID + Gift of Chaos lol).

So, who won in the end?

He did.
But only because he had gained more kill point than me (he had to go home)
M.K