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Looks like that trade will not happen.

zigzagboom just attempted to trade with me. I have a pile of Kroot/hounds/krootox and he offered to trade for three great knarlocs (first clue!). Seemed like it would be a fast trade. Then i get a PM with an Australian address (second clue). I told him I go by the Bartertown rule of lowest trade rep sends first, then he messages me back saying that he "trades by value, sorry" (third nail in the coffin!). I told him he was insane for expecting a person to post a package to a person overseas that has no trade history.

I still have the PM that contains his address if a MOD or similar type person needs it. Kroot available too...

Well, it's in the hands of NSW police now, I have contacted the crime stoppers line and am awaiting email response for advice.

I need everyone to collect all their evidence together, keeping postage receipts and possibly print outs/screen shots of PMs, so when the police ask for them we can hand them over.

I've never dealt with police overseas before so this could prove to be tricky!

Liam


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I have also emailed James to let him know what my intentions are.

Sounds like the right way to handle it, CptCortez. Keep us updated!

As of yet I have had no replies from either James or the police.

Next update will occur when I have recieved any contact.

Gather your evidence people :-)

I really will try and sort this as best I can for everyone, I'm just a bit baffled on how international policing works! But rest assured, I will see this through!

Liam

Well I was dumb and gave him the benifit of the doubt and I didn't see this posting. He offered a reaver titan and had a fairly believable back story for why he was selling it. Any way long story short I sent $175 via PayPal and am now waiting 20 till I can get my money back. Btw if anyone knows how to speed up that process I would love a pm.

Right a small update.

This is from NSW police


Liam,
 
I will create a report saying this person is operating a fraudulent business. However, if you want any police action as you the victim of fraud then you will need to report this to your local police. They can forward the report through Interpol for further police investigation in NSW, Australia.

Regards,
S/C TINWORTH
Crime Stoppers Unit

I have since contacted my local police (north Wales police) and am awaiting a reply.

Hopefully we can get this resolved soon everyone!

I am trying to get this resolved ASAP for everyone :-)

Liam

Yeah tommorrow I'm going to contact the post office to see if my package can be rerouted back here. Even if I doubt the USPS can it's worth trying, and then I'll contact my local police as well.

Good luck with that. I just tried they can't I am trying at this point to file a insurance claim for loss. Doubt that will happen either.

http://about.usps.com/forms/all-forms.htm

Look for form PS-Form 1509 Package Intercept.

It's your only hope from what I've been told. I just filled it out today. What worries me is there may be a fee involved...which is a shame they ought to make him pay the fee. But even this isn't a gurantee.

Right, north Wales police have contacted me, going for an interview with them on Thursday.

Hopefully this should get the ball rolling in our favour

Liam

Sadly loking over this form it only works for Domestic and not International packages. I was told by USPS that the only way to get my stuff back would be to contact the "recipent"!!!! How funny is that!?! I will never send anything international again. And I refuse to send anything till some one shows me the goods. Thats what I get for trusting someone one too many times. Should have made him do it first since I have a few trades under my belt but I didnt figure this for a scam.

Raveworg wrote:Sadly loking over this form it only works for Domestic and not International packages. I was told by USPS that the only way to get my stuff back would be to contact the "recipent"!!!! How funny is that!?! I will never send anything international again. And I refuse to send anything till some one shows me the goods. Thats what I get for trusting someone one too many times. Should have made him do it first since I have a few trades under my belt but I didnt figure this for a scam.

Shipping internationally is fine as long as you follow some good sense advice and pick and choose the candidates you trade with when you do your end first. As I was telling Jamesc2012 when he was trying to get me to ship simultaneously, he (not I) fit the profile of a scammer... new user with no trade rep giving very good deals and wanting to recieve your end first. If you're going to ship first, make sure the person you're sending your "gift" to is a long time user (several years) with lots of posts (1000+) and some solid trades under his belt (10+) with no BTRs. There is only one person I've seen on dakka who actually fit that profile and did some shady dealings here in the swap shop and bartertown. Whatever you do, don't ship first internationally to someone who is a new user with no trade rep and nothing to lose if they're booted of dakka (like Jamesc2010 et al). There is a swap shop trade guide that has some helpful info stickied in the forum too.

Son of Loki wrote:Well I was dumb and gave him the benifit of the doubt and I didn't see this posting. He offered a reaver titan and had a fairly believable back story for why he was selling it. Any way long story short I sent $175 via PayPal and am now waiting 20 till I can get my money back. Btw if anyone knows how to speed up that process I would love a pm.

If you did your claim through the automated system with Paypal it can take awhile. I would highly recommend that you call paypal and talk to a rep. I found that if you talk to paypal rep that the claim is done alot more quickly plus they will put notes on the claim on what is going on along with any additional evidence you have.

@Warboss

Shipping internationally is fine as long as you follow some good sense advice and pick and choose the candidates you trade with when you do your end first. As I was telling Jamesc2012 when he was trying to get me to ship simultaneously, he (not I) fit the profile of a scammer... new user with no trade rep giving very good deals and wanting to recieve your end first. If you're going to ship first, make sure the person you're sending your "gift" to is a long time user (several years) with lots of posts (1000+) and some solid trades under his belt (10+) with no BTRs. There is only one person I've seen on dakka who actually fit that profile and did some shady dealings here in the swap shop and bartertown. Whatever you do, don't ship first internationally to someone who is a new user with no trade rep and nothing to lose if they're booted of dakka (like Jamesc2010 et al). There is a swap shop trade guide that has some helpful info stickied in the forum too.

where does that leave me? Im...
A) New to dakka dakka
B) wanting to buy stuff to convert 4 "Trumpeter brand BMP-1's" into IG Chimera's
C) this James guy was going to be my 1st trade, and I got(possibly) raped by him?

Im assuming that from your point of view, No1 should, or will ever trade with me?

Sincerely,
Panzer

PanzerSoldier wrote:@Warboss

Shipping internationally is fine as long as you follow some good sense advice and pick and choose the candidates you trade with when you do your end first. As I was telling Jamesc2012 when he was trying to get me to ship simultaneously, he (not I) fit the profile of a scammer... new user with no trade rep giving very good deals and wanting to recieve your end first. If you're going to ship first, make sure the person you're sending your "gift" to is a long time user (several years) with lots of posts (1000+) and some solid trades under his belt (10+) with no BTRs. There is only one person I've seen on dakka who actually fit that profile and did some shady dealings here in the swap shop and bartertown. Whatever you do, don't ship first internationally to someone who is a new user with no trade rep and nothing to lose if they're booted of dakka (like Jamesc2010 et al). There is a swap shop trade guide that has some helpful info stickied in the forum too.

where does that leave me? Im...
A) New to dakka dakka
B) wanting to buy stuff to convert 4 "Trumpeter brand BMP-1's" into IG Chimera's
C) this James guy was going to be my 1st trade, and I got(possibly) raped by him?

Im assuming that from your point of view, No1 should, or will ever trade with me?

Sincerely,
Panzer

Not all. Just be careful. I'd trade with you, but you'd be shipping/sending cold hard Paypal first.
In the case of 2 new users you can pay half, when items arrive, pay the other half. Sadly, you might
be better trading with Veteran traders for a couple of trades

PanzerSoldier wrote:@Warboss

Shipping internationally is fine as long as you follow some good sense advice and pick and choose the candidates you trade with when you do your end first. As I was telling Jamesc2012 when he was trying to get me to ship simultaneously, he (not I) fit the profile of a scammer... new user with no trade rep giving very good deals and wanting to recieve your end first. If you're going to ship first, make sure the person you're sending your "gift" to is a long time user (several years) with lots of posts (1000+) and some solid trades under his belt (10+) with no BTRs. There is only one person I've seen on dakka who actually fit that profile and did some shady dealings here in the swap shop and bartertown. Whatever you do, don't ship first internationally to someone who is a new user with no trade rep and nothing to lose if they're booted of dakka (like Jamesc2010 et al). There is a swap shop trade guide that has some helpful info stickied in the forum too.

where does that leave me? Im...
A) New to dakka dakka
B) wanting to buy stuff to convert 4 "Trumpeter brand BMP-1's" into IG Chimera's
C) this James guy was going to be my 1st trade, and I got(possibly) raped by him?

Im assuming that from your point of view, No1 should, or will ever trade with me?

Sincerely,
Panzer

Not at all... I've traded with plenty of people here and on bartertown with zero or one trade under their belt.. I simply don't ship first, especially in an international trade where there is no tracking involved generally. Would I trade with you or sell to you? Sure... I just would expect to you to do your half (as the new trader with no rep and nothing to lose) first before I do mine. I did the exact same thing when I started trading years ago; I had no rep so I shipped/paid first but I only tried to do deals with people that had an established trade rep until I myself had one. Twice this advice has saved me from recent scammers (Jamesc2012 and Canthatenuff). The only flaw in the system is when you get two people who both fit the profile of a new trader; in that case, someone has to bite the bullet and ship first.

The way he responded to PMs made me ignore him immediatly. If he typed correctly I might have taken him a bit more serious

Listen I'm not being funny guys but can we keep to the facts about specific trades with James, ideas on how to go about future trades can be posted elsewhere

Its only as this post may be looked into by the police and we need to stick to the facts

Can everyone involved please comment now on what they have lost and a monetary value so I can get a rough idea of the extent of the problem, and have a solid figure to hand the police on Thursday

Cheers

Liam

I've lost 8 inquisitorial henchmen, 2 inquisitors, 6 Necron Pariahs (2 of which were still in blisters) and 3 2nd edition necron destroyers which altogether must be worth about £60- £80 plus the 17.50 to send it tracked to Oz, I also have 62 PM's from him as well as 6 emails

$30.00 USD - According to him, its shipped....Maybe I'm too stupid? But I'm still giving benefit of the doubt...at least till 2 weeks have gone by, and no package.

FROM MY EMAIL:
Me - Blue text
Him - Red text

Estimated time is 1 and a half to 2 weeks.

On 26 May 2012 11:52, <My Real Name & Email Here> wrote:

was there an estimated time of arrival? If so, I would like 2 know. thnx

From: James Carlson<His Email Here>
To: <My Real Name & Email Here>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: Order

Went out this morning

On 23 May 2012 07:36, <My Real Name & Email Here> wrote:

I ordered a bunch of IG Vehicle parts from you the other day. You had stated that on Tuesday you would send them. I send this mail to confirm.

Are they shipped?

CptCortez128 wrote:Right, north Wales police have contacted me, going for an interview with them on Thursday.

Hopefully this should get the ball rolling in our favour

Liam

CptCortez128 wrote:Listen I'm not being funny guys but can we keep to the facts about specific trades with James, ideas on how to go about future trades can be posted elsewhere

Its only as this post may be looked into by the police and we need to stick to the facts

Can everyone involved please comment now on what they have lost and a monetary value so I can get a rough idea of the extent of the problem, and have a solid figure to hand the police on Thursday

Cheers

Liam

Mod note: Agreed here. Nothing wrong with the prior discussion, but that's enough "general" trade advice here. Everyone who sent money / items to Jamesc2012, tfgguy, or zigzagboom please post the specifics here!


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From going back through the thread, these are the people who have posted here as having actually sent money/models to this person:

zephel wrote:2 raiders and 10 assualt marines for 50 bucks

CptCortez128 wrote: I've lost out on some good stuff, 2008 ltd ed games day marine, Baal turrets, a Mephiston/astorath conversion, hard to come by bits, sanguinary guard and imperial armour masterclass. Never mind the 24quid postage...

VaUgHaNy86 wrote:I do actually have a trade on going with him, posted out last Thursday

Markillius08 wrote:Well. I just made a trade with that guy earlier this weekend. Gonna get ahold of paypal now. Dammnit.

jason2250 wrote:I too got took. I bought quite a load from him because the price was reasonable. To the tune about about $220 worth.

saylor17 wrote:I made a trade with him last week. Space marines/Space Wolves for some Grey Knights.

PanzerSoldier wrote:well, I noticed this thread a bit late...by a week. Already sent "Jamesc2012" $30.00 USD for some IG Vehicle bits+Shipping. as of Sunday(05-20-12)

mp40guy wrote:I traded with him and would like to get his real email. It was only 10 SM scouts but the principle is what makes me mad.

KingmanHighborn wrote:Yeah I traded zigzagboom 6 SM scouts, an AOBR Captain, and the OOP 3rd SM dex, and he was supposed to send me 20 Scourge Wings and 2 Sslyth.

Raveworg wrote:Always after people get hurt do we find out the truth. Anyway I just "traded" my necrons for some orcs and goblins.

Son of Loki wrote:Well I was dumb and gave him the benifit of the doubt and I didn't see this posting. He offered a reaver titan and had a fairly believable back story for why he was selling it. Any way long story short I sent $175 via PayPal and am now waiting 20 till I can get my money back.

UK: VaUgHaNy86, CptCortez128,

USA: zephel, Markillius08, jason2250, PanzerSoldier, mp40guy, KingmanHighborn, Raveworg, Son of Loki

Canada: saylor17

It would be great if those of you who are listed above who haven't posted specifics of what you sent (or at least the value of it) could do so, so that CptCortez128 has the most information possible when talking to the police. I think this is a pretty good list to start with, though. Several of the transactions are for higher amounts, particularly jason2250's and Son of Loki (see quotes above). Fortunately, it looks like those two have used Paypal for these higher amounts, and should have some protection from that.

I expect the police may need to wait a bit to show that nothing has indeed been sent before acting. However, since it's pretty clear something's going on here, maybe they'll be able to open a file on it / forward it on to the Dora Creek NSW police for checking into. Certainly, the best thing to do if a minor (or adult) is indeed soliciting a bunch of packages / Paypal payments to be sent to them that they cannot follow through on compensating for, is to nip it in the bud and give them a good talking to about the consequences early on... if soliciting items/money from over 10 people in 3 countries can be said to be "early on", that is.

Let us know how it goes, CptCortez128. For everyone else involved, please post your specifics in here (not including personal information, that can be done via PM if it turns out to be necessary) to aid in the police knowing the value of items involved here.

Specifics about my trade with Jamesc2012:

Agreed upon $175 for 1 Cadian Battleforce and 3 Leman Russ Demolishers, all NOS or NIB.

I sent Payment via Paypal on Friday, May 18th with the agreement that he would ship it at 8:00am on Monday, sending me the tracking number.

I did not hear back from him all day, and around 5 or 6 I messaged him to tell him that since I had received no tracking # and no attempts from him to contact me, that I would file a claim with Paypal if he did not contact me that evening.

Shortly after, I saw the thread here, so went to Paypal and submitted the claim - this was all on the 21st.

Current situation: Paypal says he has till Thursday, May 31st to respond to their inquiries or they will refund my money. Since they've given him 10 days and he has yet to respond, I believe I will be receiving some positive news from Paypal in the next couple days.

Hope nobody else gets took by this guy. Hope this helps!

This is what I sent zigzagboom.

1 New Necron Battle Force (Immortals and a Few Warriors assembled primed grey)
1 New Resin Necron Overlord (Assembled Primed Grey)
1 New Necron Codex

Raveworg wrote:This is what I sent zigzagboom.

1 New Necron Battle Force (Immortals and a Few Warriors assembled primed grey)
1 New Resin Necron Overlord (Assembled Primed Grey)
1 New Necron Codex

You should post the cost along with it since it's very unlikely that an aussie police officer would have any clue about what you're mentioning.

That's a good thought, here's the retail values:

1 New Necron Battle Force (Immortals and a Few Warriors assembled primed grey) - Retail $105
1 New Resin Necron Overlord (Assembled Primed Grey) - Retail $18.25
1 New Necron Codex - $33.00

Total retail - $156.25

So, at least four users have entered into trades valued at $150 or more.

jason2250 - $220.00
Son of Loki - $175.00
Markillius08- $175.00
Raveworg - $156.25

So that's a total of over $725 right there, just from 4 of the 11 people involved. So the total value of deals is very likely over $1000. I think the top three were fortunately through Paypal, so those should be more easily recovered. Raveworg's having shipped these items will require Jamesc2012 to return it (or send what was agreed to) which will likely only happen if the police talk to him.

I would guess rough monetary estimate of what I had:

The 6 SM scouts were all pewter and painted so at least 20 right there

The AOBR captain I've seen on the low end of 5 bucks.

The OOP SM dex being both a collecter's item and in prestine condition I'd say 15 so total of 40 dollars US currency.

I don't know if it counts but total shipping cost was $16.30

I should probably add my own...

Imperial armour masterclass £26
2008 games day ltd ed Cpt £20
A very well converted astorath £15
2 x hybrid metal Baal turrets £10
Storm raven turret with all weapons £5 ish
5 x sanguinary guard (basecoated to a high standard) £20
Variety of plastic bits £3
Postage to NSWs £24.20

And I wrapped the book in my England flag...

Liam

Here's the damage to me

10 Sm scouts unassembled
1 Sgt Telion

I would like to just get the money. But I'll take what I can get.

Well, I had to postpone the interview until next Wednesday... My wife has broken her foot and displaced her toe so had to cancel...

Until next week folks, sorry to drag this out, but family first as they say :-)

Liam