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**Pacific**

I think some of the Gripping Beast Dark-Age stuff is great! Got some of their Saxon Fyrd and Dark Age warriors, and they are great little minis. The latter are rather plain, but then it's difficult to do too much to peasant-folk wearing potato sacks and sandals (if you are lucky!

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There was arguably a big gap in the market for these Foot Knights (I can see them being popular just because they can be used for so many things). Dark Age stuff is already fairly well represented, although I would be intrigued to see what the Perrys would make of them also!

**heartserenade**

Well I don't think they're bad in any way, it's just that I feel that Perry miniatures have sharper details in terms of sculpt?

**Gallahad**

Just so people have a heads up, the Perry miniatures are definitely both shorter and with skinnier proportions than GW soldiers. In the comparison picture, notice that the Perry miniatures are standing on a 2mm blob of plastic in order to look the same height as GW miniatures with much wider stances.

I own some of the Perry Bills and Bows box, and they are so much smaller that I haven't gotten around to painting them since they make everything else I own look so large.

I can't stand any of the Gripping Beast plastics because they all have such enormous heads, and I can't stand the WGF plastic vikings because they all have such short arms, so I am definitely in the market for some nice plastic vikings. But again, if perry made them, they would be too short for my tastes.

**Pacific**

Gallahad wrote:
Just so people have a heads up, the Perry miniatures are definitely both shorter and with skinnier proportions than GW soldiers. In the comparison picture, notice that the Perry miniatures are standing on a 2mm blob of plastic in order to look the same height as GW miniatures with much wider stances.

I own some of the Perry Bills and Bows box, and they are so much smaller that I haven't gotten around to painting them since they make everything else I own look so large.

You need to make an entire army of them then Galahad!

About your first point, definitely. Look in one of the pictures I posted, the goblin's head is bigger than the entire armoured torso of the foot knight!

But, I don't think the little blob under the feet of the miniature is an issue. In reality, you merge this into the rest of the base when you base the miniature and it isn't noticeable. I suppose scale is always an issue of contention; alongside most other historicals stuff these miniatures should be OK (perhaps old Wargames Foundry might look a bit different), but most of the immediately obvious differences can be mitigated if you put the miniatures in different units.

**Kilkrazy**

Perhaps the Perry figures are genuine 25mm.

It doesn't matter if you are making an entire army, which will be possible once they do some WoTR cavalry.

**Pacific**

Here is one they prepared earlier!

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Also the Perry miniatures are intended to represent 'real' medieval knights (and soldiers) who were all a lot shorter than we are today (just check out the preserved armour, it's almost all tiny)

GW and others are fantasy knights (and soldiers) who are probably meant to be as tall as modern folk (when did we see a short hero in a fantasy novel (unless it was a kid or a hobbit)

**MadMuzza**

Anyone got an image of these next to Warhammer Fantasy stuff?

**Alpharius**

This post from the last page should help out:

heartserenade wrote:
Well at least with these ones it's easier to speedpaint them because they're mostly armor. Kinda like Necrons.

And Alph and Azazelx, this might help. Not the new Men-at-Arms per se but same scale (and line!) and 100% compatible with the new WotR box set:

And an LotR figure just for kicks:

My verdict: same size as GW minis, but the proportions are really different. Won't matter much if you're not too anal about that kind of thing, and it won't look weird if fielded en masse, but it definitely looks a bit off when it's just two models side by side. Cross compatibility is also iffy, could be pulled off but not 100%.

LotR are definitely a bit smaller but you can pass it off as shorter humans. Especially if you're just going to use a figure or two from LotR (or vice versa!).

Then again, if you really do care about that sort of thing and you still haven't started an Empire or Brettonian army, all the more reason to buy Perry Miniatures exclusively. Save tons of money without letting quality suffer!

Basically, with a little creative basing, and using mostly all Perry stuff, you'll have an amazing looking WFB Empire army!

For a fraction of the cost!

Just use the 'GW' official stuff for characters and monsters and machine, and you'll be good to go!

**heartserenade**

They're more true 28mm than 25mm. 25mm will be the LotR figures (also sculpted by Perr), who are smaller by a bit.

Besides, it's not like humans all have the same height.

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Pacific wrote:
Here is one they prepared earlier!

In the future they're also gonna be releasing a light cavalry version of this. Greens are still in the works.

For those interested in other infantry stuff for Empire/Bret usage, in the future Perry is going to be releasing Agincourt/Orleans Men-at-Arms:

**Bobthehero**

Mmmm, too armored to be proper Bret infantry/peasants, for sure, and their armor is a little too uh... advanced for Brets, some guys from the 1200-1300's would be perfect.

**Pacific**

Those look great @Heartserenade!

@Bobthehero - Hmm, yes if you are doing Bretonnians infantry you would probably be better off with the War of the Roses Infantry set (you get 40 infantry - max 30 bowmen and 18 billmen)

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=2471

(2 guys on right are standard billmen, although you get a couple of plate-armoured command in the set as well)

**Fenriswulf**

I like the Agincourt to Orleans series of models due to come out than the WotR style that has been made so far. Would make fantastic miniatures for a Game of Thrones themed Kings of War or Warhammer Empire Army.

**Pacific**

Yes the 100yr War armour variants are pretty cool, quite distinct from the later variants and a lot more 'heavy set' in style. Really like the bascinet helmets!

Perry already do a pretty good metal line of these that are quite reasonably priced, I mix some of mine in amongst the later-period armours as kind of antiques (and within more of the 'yeoman' style units, where some guy has got a set of armour that his great-grandfather took from a battlefield in Flanders

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