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Melissia wrote:Aside from the fact that it's completely unfluffy?

It's not completely unfluffy - in "Grey Knights" in the final confrontation Alaric and his 3 squads fought against Guardsmen and Sisters who were told by the rogue Inquisitor that the Grey Knights are actually Chaos servants. It was only for Canoness' Ludmilla experience that the Sisters recognised the Knights as being on the same side. They were actually fighting on the side of the Daemons for a while, although without defacing the Imperial iconography etc.

Which means they were tricked, not worshipping Chaos. If the Ultramarines were conned by a sorcerer into destroying a loyalist outpost, would you say they're chaos worshippers?

Kurgash wrote:You never know, not all psychic abilities are done through the mind. Maybe an orating speech, a rallying battle cry could hold more sway than intended...

Yes, I would know. Sisters regularly go through purity checks, penitence, and confessions-- as just a part of their way of life.

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:I'd love to see tastefully executed excess

That's a contradiction in terms.

Melissia wrote:Which means they were tricked, not worshipping Chaos. If the Ultramarines were conned by a sorcerer into destroying a loyalist outpost, would you say they're chaos worshippers?

No, but the Inquisition would, and it's a slippery downhill slope from there.

Ultramarine gets tricked into serving Tzeentch.
Inquisitor accuses Ultramarine of heresy.
Ultramarine, in a fit of self-preservation, kills Inquisitor.
Herald of Tzeentch comes to Ultramarine, points out that he's screwed, mentions a convenient way out of all this.
Ultramarine now serves Tzeentch.

Who's to say something similar couldn't happen with a Sister?

I am. I don't know if you noticed, but self-preservation is not necessarily high on the list of traits associated with the Adepta Sororitas given their current fluff.


edit: Personally I think I'm gonna agree with Alpharius, in that this is basically the same as FSM-- do it if you want, but it's still unfluffy. Second edition fluff states only a single Sister has ever fallen to Chaos in the history of the Sisterhood-- Miriael Sabathiel. This continues to stand, as the third edition codex doesn't contradict it.

Melissia wrote:I am. I don't know if you noticed, but self-preservation is not necessarily high on the list of traits associated with the Adepta Sororitas given their current fluff.


edit: Personally I think I'm gonna agree with Alpharius, in that this is basically the same as FSM-- do it if you want, but it's still unfluffy. Second edition fluff states only a single Sister has ever fallen to Chaos in the history of the Sisterhood-- Miriael Sabathiel. This continues to stand, as the third edition codex doesn't contradict it.

And the Beauty of 40k is that everything, if given a proper back story, can be fluffy as your army is played according to the story you wrote for them. Will some people gnash their teeth in claiming they don't like it and it's not according to their fluff? Sure but that is how people are, they don't like an idea they will shoot it down regardless of execution. I'd like to see the end result myself, sounds one hell of a project.

Melissia wrote:I am. I don't know if you noticed, but self-preservation is not necessarily high on the list of traits associated with the Adepta Sororitas given their current fluff.


edit: Personally I think I'm gonna agree with Alpharius, in that this is basically the same as FSM-- do it if you want, but it's still unfluffy. Second edition fluff states only a single Sister has ever fallen to Chaos in the history of the Sisterhood-- Miriael Sabathiel. This continues to stand, as the third edition codex doesn't contradict it.

Personally I think that if SM, Inquisitors et al can fall to chaos then the basic human psyches of Sisters will be susceptible to to corruption no matter how many checks and balances are in place.


No matter what 2nd fluff states there is the possibility of corruption amongst the Adepts Sororitas.

Done well Choas Sisters Minis in an army will look great, get to it OP!

Maybe it's possible. It's still never happened though, and since it's been stated only a single Sister has ever fallen in such a way, it's still unfluffy.

I'm not saying don't make the army. Go ahead, do whatever the hell you want, no skin off my back. I just commented that it's unfluffy before I started giving advice.

I don't think there needs to be fluff. I think it will be a visually appealing army and wil make the player happy. If I had the opportunity to game with someone who had a cool army and smiled, well, that would be better than gaming with all the grumpy guys with the unpainted armies.

Comintern wrote:so they are Mashocist? Thats even better.

But hey, you are probably right. Im sure 99% of the people will look at that army and think they are all crack fiends looking for spoons and needle, or perhaps taking binge drinking to excess.


Though, why not make them Chaos Undivided? Or does that not exist anymore? I havent bothered buying either the Daemon or the Chaos Latest Codex. But it seems like a "fallen sister" army would fall into the Word Bearer scheme rather nicely.

It's Chaos Glory now. And I do have a Fallen SoB as a Daemon Princes to lead my Word Bearers. Hmm, I don't remember if I ever put pics of her in my gallery...meh. I better not....Boobies and all.

Melissia wrote:Maybe it's possible. It's still never happened though, and since it's been stated only a single Sister has ever fallen in such a way, it's still unfluffy.

Oh, please. SMs fall to Chaos ALL THE TIME. Guardsmen turn to Chaos ALL THE TIME. The Sisters aren't so special. Just one has been "caught" and cannot be swept under the rug.

Sisters of Slaaneesh are extremely Fluffy, or we wouldn't have players doing this all the time.

Melissia wrote:

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:I'd love to see tastefully executed excess

That's a contradiction in terms.

I call your bluff, because I know the definitions of those words, and I'm at a loss as to how you get a contradiction out of them.

Anything unnecessary is 'excess'/'excessive', but that does not mean it's not tasteful. Sure, it isn't always tasteful to have unnecessary things, but it's not always distasteful or ugly. Prime example: Art is unnecessary. Do you think the Mona Lisa is distasteful? The Statue of Liberty? The Eiffel Tower? Maybe the Washington Monument, but only if you have a dirty mind.

The essence of Slaanesh, for me, is Hedonism. Which includes far beyond sex, because people can derive pleasure out of anything, even praying to their God-Emperor. I can imagine a SoB praying to the Emperor and thinking he's talking back when it's actually Slaanesh. Replace 'Emperor' with the Christian god and 'Slaanesh' with Satan, and you've got something that was very commonly talked about at the churches I've been to. It might start as a trick, but if the Sister allowed herself to enjoy the actions she was directed to complete because they were given from the Emperor, I could see her falling very quickly. In the Blood Raven novels, a very similar thing happens to Gabriel Angelos, look at the actions it caused him to do.

I had an interesting idea whilst reading this thread.

The remnants of a sisters force are captured and taken to a daemon world, populated by both daemons and the lost and the damned (along the lines of the khorne planet in one of the grey knights books).

They are listed K.I.A. on imperial records.

They manage an escape from their prison on this daemon world, and fight their way across it after locating the cache where their wargear had been stashed.
After a prolonged struggle and constant spiritual attacks from the whispers of daemons, they finally "break" when offered a chance to leave the daemon world and take vengeance on those who destroyed their sisters by a powerful, but still minor warp-enitity (MALAL?! ) who asks not their alliegence, just that they accept the boon of his gifts for use in their war against chaos. They swell with daemonic power and their armour fuses to them. Their bolters vomit forth bolts of pure aether that disrupt the forms of daemons.

Their loyalty to the emperor stands, but knowing they will never be embraced back into the imperium due to their altered physical (but not spiritual) forms, begin their own "black crusade" to find death in absolution (a la sisters repentia) and destroy as many enemies of the god emperor as they can before death claims them...

JohnHwangDD wrote:Oh, please. SMs fall to Chaos ALL THE TIME. Guardsmen turn to Chaos ALL THE TIME. The Sisters aren't so special.

Yes, they are. You're talking about an organisation whose members are granted literal miracles, are unusually resistant to warp influence and whose primary purpose is to exterminate the kinds of people that fall to Chaos. Hell, we have that quote from the 2nd Edition codex that practically says, "Yes! They are that special!"

Sisters of Slaaneesh are extremely Fluffy, or we wouldn't have players doing this all the time.

Your logic is flawed. Players doing this all the time only means that there are lots of players who like doing this. It doesn't mean that it doesn't fly in the face of the defining feature of the army's canon.

AlexHolker wrote:

Sisters of Slaaneesh are extremely Fluffy, or we wouldn't have players doing this all the time.

Your logic is flawed. Players doing this all the time only means that there are lots of players who like doing this. It doesn't mean that it doesn't fly in the face of the defining feature of the army's canon.

Actually the logic people are using that say Khornate SoB are more fluffy would be just as flawed. If SoB would fall to Chaos at all, why would it even matter they were following a specific Chaos god or even Chaos Glory. The fact would be they fell, they are no longer who they were and because of that their predilections would have changed as well. So really fallen SoB following Slaneesh is just as viable as SoB following Khorne or whichever Chaos god you want.

Oh, please. And what's the mission of the SMs? Or how about the Inquisition? Right!

As shown in the Eisenhorn novels, you can become a follower of Chaos without realizing it. Quixos was one of the greatest Inquisitors of his day and in the end he subverted, corrupted and killed countless Imperial servants and citizens, all in the name of saving the Imperium from Chaos.

I think the same principal applies to Slaaneshi Sisters. Slaanesh is the Prince(ess) of among other things, excess, and if there's anything the Sisters have in abundance, it's zeal. It's not too difficult to imagine a group of Sisters would become so blinded by their single-minded devotion to destroying the slightest taint of Chaos that they start seeing corruption everywhere. They could depose their planetary governor for something as small as nepotism or even a perceived lack of piety and never realize their actions have caused far more harm than the "tainted" governor ever did.

Exactly. Hyper-Puritans are indistinguishable from Chaos.

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:

Melissia wrote:

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:I'd love to see tastefully executed excess

That's a contradiction in terms.

I call your bluff

"Tasteful" is subjective. I believe it lies in the subtle. Excessive therefor cannot be tasteful.


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JohnHwangDD wrote:Oh, please. SMs fall to Chaos ALL THE TIME.

Tell me when I should start caring. The fact that only a single Sister has fallen in the ~five to six thousand years since they were created is completely separate from the fact that MArines fall all the time.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Sisters of Slaaneesh are extremely Fluffy, or we wouldn't have players doing this all the time.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Exactly. Hyper-Puritans are indistinguishable from Chaos.

I laughed so hard when I realised what you were doing.

The Dizzler wrote:As shown in the Eisenhorn novels, you can become a follower of Chaos without realizing it. Quixos was one of the greatest Inquisitors of his day and in the end he subverted, corrupted and killed countless Imperial servants and citizens, all in the name of saving the Imperium from Chaos.

I think the same principal applies to Slaaneshi Sisters. Slaanesh is the Prince(ess) of among other things, excess, and if there's anything the Sisters have in abundance, it's zeal. It's not too difficult to imagine a group of Sisters would become so blinded by their single-minded devotion to destroying the slightest taint of Chaos that they start seeing corruption everywhere. They could depose their planetary governor for something as small as nepotism or even a perceived lack of piety and never realize their actions have caused far more harm than the "tainted" governor ever did.

Quixos was a Radical. Opposite of Puritan. The worst a Puritan can do is execute every psyker they come across, which doesn't make sense as the Emperor himself was a Psyker and the Imperium needs Psykers just to function.
I don't know if only one sister has fallen to chaos (of course possesion etc is a different thing entirely), as I think I remember two seperate stories of this happening. But I do know whole convents don't suddenly go rouge which seems to happen so often to SM and IG. They've got a pretty good track record all things considered.

Rymafyr wrote:Actually the logic people are using that say Khornate SoB are more fluffy would be just as flawed.

Khornate SoB is less unfluffy than Slaaneshi SoB, since you need to remove less of what makes a Sister of Battle a Sister of Battle for such a warband to exist.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Oh, please. And what's the mission of the SMs?

To exterminate anything from orks to CSM. They may be stronger and tougher than the SoB, but they're more vulnerable to warp influence.

Or how about the Inquisition? Right!

And how often has an Inquisitor fallen to Chaos, let alone entire cells of Inquisitors?

Emperors Faithful wrote:I think I remember two seperate stories of this happening.

Yes, Black Library has had stories that violate the fluff. It's nothing new under the astronomican, as it were.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Quixos was a Radical. Opposite of Puritan. The worst a Puritan can do is execute every psyker they come across, which doesn't make sense as the Emperor himself was a Psyker and the Imperium needs Psykers just to function.
I don't know if only one sister has fallen to chaos (of course possesion etc is a different thing entirely), as I think I remember two seperate stories of this happening. But I do know whole convents don't suddenly go rouge which seems to happen so often to SM and IG. They've got a pretty good track record all things considered.

Quixos didn't start out radical. He started out every bit as puritan as newly-minted Inquisitor could be. Hundreds of years after his apparent disappearance, his writings were still used to teach and indoctrinate young Schola students and he was a role model for Interrogators and Inquisitors across the Galaxy. Even when he was hunted down by the Imperium he never acknowledged that he was anything other than the most puritanical agent of the Inquisition. Despite using daemonhosts, despite physical mutations, despite loosing dozens of alpha-plus level Chaos-tainted psyker loose in a hive city, despite killing countless Imperial agents and citizens with intent to kill countless more, he died firmly believing that everything he had done was completely justified.

This, of course, is exactly my point with how an convent of Sisters could conceivably fall to Slaanesh. They become so zealous and fanatical that they don't even realize that the measures they're taking so stop Chaos from spreading are just making things worse. It's like Wile E. Coyote chasing the Roadrunner over a cliff. He doesn't even notice he's fallen until it's far too late.

@All Anti-Sisters of Slanesh posters..... You say perverted like it is a bad thing. Surely it is not any worse than trying to shame someone else for your own personal hang-ups.

@OP- They are your models, do with them what you will. If you really need a justification for how such would have come to pass, then look at human nature. By using human nature and usual behavior patterns your Sisters of Slanesh would be spot on. Why? Because, When the faithful/true believers fall from grace, they fall the furthest. They will, in their anger at the deity that failed them, abandon all that they were to become the opposite.
Maybe some Demonettes are really all that remains of SoBs that fell in battle while not in a complete state of grace (they were fighting for their own personal hatred rather than the Emperor) and they felt betrayed that the Emperor didn't protect them. There is plenty of room for you to be creative, have fun with it.

I chose Sisters of Battle partly because they -are- better than the space marines and inquisitors. GW says they are pure and good, and they are lovely. But alas it's human nature to drag down those who soar above mediocrity and failings of the common man.

I don't have a problem with the occasional Sister falling from grace. While only one sister ever fell from grace up to the 2nd edition of the rule book, one can claim this means is possible as much as one can claim this means it happens only once in a blue moon.

Sisters are human, and they sin. We wouldn't have Repentia if they did not. But even so, Sisters are not the average woman, they are much, much more.

Still, speculation is fun, but too much talk about the loveliest flowers of the Imperium falling from grace gets depressing. At least, I think so. I love them because they give me hope for the Imperium. May they shine their light in the grim dark as long as the stars blaze in the cosmos' sea of night!

--- Be well, be blessed!
--- Frankie

Melissia wrote:

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:

Melissia wrote:

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:I'd love to see tastefully executed excess

That's a contradiction in terms.

I call your bluff

"Tasteful" is subjective. I believe it lies in the subtle. Excessive therefor cannot be tasteful.

Which is merely your statement of your personal opinion... which is just as subjective as anyone else's.

A yacht is a major piece of material excess. A yacht with a well-appointed interior is even more excessive. Does this mean a well-executed design, both interior and exterior are considered "distateful"?

I fail to see how your logic is achieving anything other than you screaming about how your way is right, and that there is, in no possible manner of speaking, a way for a sister to fall to chaos... especially among the possibilities of things as simple as a chaos cult becoming a gross parody of their enemy, all the way up to the corruption of an entire soroitas convent, implausible as that might be.

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JohnHwangDD wrote:Oh, please. SMs fall to Chaos ALL THE TIME.

Tell me when I should start caring. The fact that only a single Sister has fallen in the ~five to six thousand years since they were created is completely separate from the fact that MArines fall all the time.

Perhaps so, but the galaxy is wide and the administratum is slow to update it's information. How is it that others can stretch the fluff to fit their armies and somehow your beloved sisters' fluff seems to be entirely invioble?

It seems like someone's got a touch of fangirlism going on here....

Dronze wrote:Perhaps so, but the galaxy is wide and the administratum is slow to update it's information.

Indeed. The galaxy is a big place and there are gaps in information everywhere. Furthermore, most codices are written from an Imperial POV, that business with only one sister falling to Chaos in the history of ever may very well be Imperial propaganda. There are certainly several examples of entire convents of Sisters being duped by agents of the Ruinous Powers, it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to see them actively working for them.

Petite Francois wrote:I chose Sisters of Battle partly because they -are- better than the space marines and inquisitors. GW says they are pure and good, and they are lovely. But alas it's human nature to drag down those who soar above mediocrity and failings of the common man.

I don't have a problem with the occasional Sister falling from grace. While only one sister ever fell from grace up to the 2nd edition of the rule book, one can claim this means is possible as much as one can claim this means it happens only once in a blue moon.

Sisters are human, and they sin. We wouldn't have Repentia if they did not. But even so, Sisters are not the average woman, they are much, much more.

Still, speculation is fun, but too much talk about the loveliest flowers of the Imperium falling from grace gets depressing. At least, I think so. I love them because they give me hope for the Imperium. May they shine their light in the grim dark as long as the stars blaze in the cosmos' sea of night!

--- Be well, be blessed!
--- Frankie

This is a perfect example of why Sisters are not immune to the powers of Chaos. Yes, they're faithful and devoted and all that jazz, but they're also zealous and arrogant. They're so convinced of their own moral superiority, they can easily justify any action they take. They're so convinced they're such paragons of virtue and purity that nothing they do could be wrong, even if they're burning down a peaceful rural village because they heard a rumor that there was a Chaos cult operating there.

Dronze wrote:

Melissia wrote:

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:

Melissia wrote:

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:I'd love to see tastefully executed excess

That's a contradiction in terms.

I call your bluff [See the rest of this post here]

"Tasteful" is subjective. I believe it lies in the subtle. Excessive therefor cannot be tasteful.

Which is merely your statement of your personal opinion... which is just as subjective as anyone else's.

A yacht is a major piece of material excess. A yacht with a well-appointed interior is even more excessive. Does this mean a well-executed design, both interior and exterior are considered "distateful"?

I fail to see how your logic is achieving anything other than you screaming about how your way is right, and that there is, in no possible manner of speaking, a way for a sister to fall to chaos... especially among the possibilities of things as simple as a chaos cult becoming a gross parody of their enemy, all the way up to the corruption of an entire soroitas convent, implausible as that might be.

QFT. Thanks for saying what I would've said.
Also, to include a link to my full post, instead of the shortened version that makes me seem like a jerk.

The Dizzler wrote:

This is a perfect example of why Sisters are not immune to the powers of Chaos. Yes, they're faithful and devoted and all that jazz, but they're also zealous and arrogant. They're so convinced of their own moral superiority, they can easily justify any action they take. They're so convinced they're such paragons of virtue and purity that nothing they do could be wrong, even if they're burning down a peaceful rural village because they heard a rumor that there was a Chaos cult operating there.

Hello Dizzler,
Sisters of Battle are morally superior to the common citizen. Not because I say, so, GW says so. GW rarely makes moral assessments of it's factions, but when they say the dark eldar are evil, I believe them. When GW says the Sisters are good, I believe that as well. If you choose to imagine this makes them somehow morally blind to their own short comings, well, that's your right to believe.

Actually Sisters of Battle tend to be hyper-sensitive about their own short comings. Again, hence the Repentia. Are you sure you're not confusing them with modern day televangelists? *j/k!*

Show me an example of Sisters burning down a peaceful rural village because of a rumor that there was a Chaos cult operating there? Is there any example of this? Or are you imagining it for the sake of the argument? But I do not say they are perfect, only that they are not willfully evil.

Have a great week! Hope you got some good games in!
---Frankie

The idea is good, if pulled off right. Many people already hit the nail on the head with this, but Slaanesh is the god of excess in all forms. Lust is one of them, but there are so many more to exploit.

Sight, sound, sent are big on the battlefield. Fluff wise, screaming bolters and the like should excite them big time, as well as generally seeing pain and suffering in their opponets and themselves, on top of the whole scantly clad thing.

Make them cruel and sadistic on top of lustful, and you got an army that serves the lord of excess well.

Petite Francois wrote:Sisters of Battle are morally superior to the common citizen. Not because I say, so, GW says so. GW rarely makes moral assessments of it's factions, but when they say the dark eldar are evil, I believe them. When GW says the Sisters are good, I believe that as well.

If you look at any given faction, they can be "good" or "evil" depending on one's perspective. the 40k universe isn't D&D... there is no objective good or evil here, there is only war. Devotion to the Emperor does not predispose ANYONE to not saying, doing, or being anything to advance their own faction's agenda, even to the detriment of it's own broader faction's goals and well-being.

If you want to make the claim that the Militant Nuns of the Catholic Space Nazis are any more or less "good" than, say, the Tau (who pursue the "greater good" in terms of their own species) or the Tyranids (who don't care about anything more than their own survival through the eating of anything and anyone in their path) because they set people on fire and torture them horrifically, or kill anything without 2 arms, 2 legs, and a complexion that ranges in what we people might refer to as "flesh tones", then, by all means, you're entitled to your opinion.

I dunno about you, but if I set fire to anyone who didn't follow the same religion as myself, or started on a campaign of genocide and zealotry, I think I would be branded as evil, don't you? The name these things are done in serve only as justification to those doing it.

Show me an example of Sisters burning down a peaceful rural village because of a rumor that there was a Chaos cult operating there? Is there any example of this? Or are you imagining it for the sake of the argument?

*pokes about* i'll find something here....

"When the people forget their duty they are no longer human and become something less than beasts. They have no place in the bosom of humanity nor in the heart of the Emperor. Let them die and be forgotten "

Seems a bit cold to becalled objectively "good", no?

But I do not say they are perfect, only that they are not willfully evil.

Again, I reiterate, they kill those that do not believe as they do... that certainly doesn't make them GOOD, either.