Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**Visceral_Mass**

All of this makes me wonder how long Prodos can hold onto the license before Fox decides to pull the plug in favor of giving it to a company that will give them a better revenue stream.

Considering how popular the Alien and Predator deck building games are Fox must be getting a decent return on that licensing deal. I'm sure what they are getting from Prodos must pale in comparison.

I think the popularity of the deck-building games should show Fox that there is a thriving AvP gaming market that Prodos isn't capable of tapping into, because they don't seem to understand that market and instead put themselves into a niche section of that market cutting themselves off from a larger source of revenue.

**Nostromodamus**

Another delay? Surprise, surprise. I knew the "ND will begin shipping next week" bs I read a while back was too good to be true.

Why can't ND begin shipping the copies they have now? It's not like ALL of the copies will go out in 1 day.

We'll probably find out that Prodos has actually not sent ANY product to ND yet.

Prodos must REALLY be hurting for money if their cash flow can't cover shipping their product.

**Visceral_Mass**

Has anyone contacted ND to see if they were told to sit on product or if they actually told Prodos they wanted to wait to ship them all at once?

Perhaps ND is actually waiting for payment from Prodos before they will ship and Prodos can't pay until the end of September.

**cincydooley**

Moses Bad wrote:
What I see there is a troll that is just trying to provoke people with his cheerleading.
Reason why I put him on ignore.
I could be running to some mod, whining I feel offended by him, but since I'm no crybaby ... it's just bye bye.

My feelings.

Crushed.

You're welcome to run to any mod that you want. My rebuts to your arguments haven't been, in any way, shape, or form, harassing or off-topic. Most have been rooted in simple fact. You seem to have trouble with those.

You can continue to complain and complain; that's on you.

**Grumpae**

At this point I'm honestly not sure if ND even recieved any of them to ship out. We know that they got 50 or whatever to give out at GenCon, but did they get any more than that? We don't know. I would love to see something from ND about it, but highly doubt that they would risk the new partnership at this point, as I'm sure Prodos wouldn't be happy about it. Did someone mention eye gouging earlier? I'll second that motion.

**cincydooley**

Visceral_Mass wrote:

I think the popularity of the deck-building games should show Fox that there is a thriving AvP gaming market that Prodos isn't capable of tapping into, because they don't seem to understand that market and instead put themselves into a niche section of that market cutting themselves off from a larger source of revenue.

Who's to say there's a captive audience that wants to produce a Licensed AvP game outside of Prodos? The property has been around for 30 years. There hasn't been a miniatures game associated with it like, seven years since HorroClix died.

If Fox was really concerned about getting a game to market, they'd leverage Wizkids or Hasbro or even Upper Deck (they did minis once...), companies that all have higher budgets than Prodos.

**Visceral_Mass**

cincydooley wrote:
Visceral_Mass wrote:

I think the popularity of the deck-building games should show Fox that there is a thriving AvP gaming market that Prodos isn't capable of tapping into, because they don't seem to understand that market and instead put themselves into a niche section of that market cutting themselves off from a larger source of revenue.

Who's to say there's a captive audience that wants to produce a Licensed AvP game outside of Prodos? The property has been around for 30 years. There hasn't been a miniatures game associated with it like, seven years since HorroClix died.

If Fox was really concerned about getting a game to market, they'd leverage Wizkids or Hasbro or even Upper Deck (they did minis once...), companies that all have higher budgets than Prodos.

There might not be a company that wants to produce a miniatures game right now (licensed minis aren't a sure thing), but with the increasing exposure of the licenses, (Alien 3.2, Predator 4, Prometheus 2, not to mention the comic reboot and success of Alien Isolation and the deck-building games) there might be a company willing to produce a true boardgame that uses the licenses, but I think Prodos has that possibility tied up.

I also have to wonder how long Fox will let Prodos drag them and their IP through the mud before stepping in. Even though Fox isn't producing the game, the bad publicity and mismanagement by Prodos still reflects back upon them.

**Big Jim**

As a UK based Kickstarter backer, my copy arrived yesterday via UPS. Although I received the e-mail from Prodos on the 10th, the parcel wasn't logged with UPS until the 14th. Delivery wise for the UK it's goes Poland, Germany and then to the UK via air.

Contents wise, no damaged rule book, printing on the cards and boards look fine on the initial first look. All the miniatures look to be fully cast with the correct arms etc.

A couple of pointers, the figures are very detailed and the multipart nature of the marines might cause some issues. The cutting disc blades are paper thin and the spear might benefit from replacing the shaft with a metal rod.

Hopefully, other UK backers are getting their boxes and that delivery is ramming up.

**DaveC**

So at what point did it go through Calais if it went Germany/ UK by air? Wasn't that the big hold up before?

(I know, I know, that was just another of Prodos' excuses

)

**Nostromodamus**

DaveC wrote:
So at what point did it go through Calais if it went Germany/ UK by air? Wasn't that the big hold up before?

(I know, I know, that was just another of Prodos' excuses )

Airplanes now have to fly through the chunnel, apparently...

**Big Jim**

Haven't you seen the migrants / striking French dock workers and their giant human pyramids...

**thothkins**

Big Jim wrote:
As a UK based Kickstarter backer, my copy arrived yesterday via UPS. ...

Yay! Good news.

Big Jim wrote:
Hopefully, other UK backers are getting their boxes and that delivery is ramming up.

raced off to e-mail...but nothing. too much to hope for. Considering how often my pledge manager has been open I checked that too. It says awaiting. That doesn't sound as though it's closed. Can anyone remind me what the "awaiting" status means? I'm sure I did get an e-mail telling me the thing was closed, after I added in some extras.

**CURNOW**

Tbh at this point i would be happy if they turned around and said dear backers we've messed up and cant afford to send you copies out ,if your happy to wait then do tjat if you want to then you can pay the postage and we will ship it out

**Grumpae**

CURNOW wrote:
Tbh at this point i would be happy if they turned around and said dear backers we've messed up and cant afford to send you copies out ,if your happy to wait then do tjat if you want to then you can pay the postage and we will ship it out

Is it bad that when I first read that instead of postage I saw hostage?

**Moses Bad**

thothkins wrote:
raced off to e-mail...but nothing. too much to hope for. Considering how often my pledge manager has been open I checked that too. It says awaiting. That doesn't sound as though it's closed. Can anyone remind me what the "awaiting" status means? I'm sure I did get an e-mail telling me the thing was closed, after I added in some extras.

Don't fret - awaiting means as much as "waiting to be fulfilled". At least, that's how I remember. And I haven't received a real shipping confirmation - guess you only get one of those, if you order in the online shop.
You get a receipt, but that's about it. I even had to write them in the typical manner, sadly, because I didn't get a receipt. But paranoid as I am I wanted a confirmation, on what I spent my money instead of just having that spreadsheet.

CURNOW wrote:
Tbh at this point i would be happy if they turned around and said dear backers we've messed up and cant afford to send you copies out ,if your happy to wait then do tjat if you want to then you can pay the postage and we will ship it out

Not like we haven't yet.
Wonder what would happen, if I'd add another base game in the PM ... won't try it.

Grumpae wrote:
Is it bad that when I first read that instead of postage I saw hostage?

No, that's just Freud. As in Siegmund (dunno how well known he is outside of Europe).

Oh, and a quick sidenote: GameZone have contacted me, what to print as of whom the HQ box belongs to. So far, this still looks as if it will actually happen ... sometime in September.

**biggusdoggus**

CURNOW wrote:
Tbh at this point i would be happy if they turned around and said dear backers we've messed up and cant afford to send you copies out ,if your happy to wait then do tjat if you want to then you can pay the postage and we will ship it out

assuming of course that they have enough money to manufacture the KS boxsets - I'm not convinced. I've heard (did I read it here?) that they are refusing restocks to retailer who expect goods on credit and targeting those who will pay up front. To me that stinks of a company without two brass farthings to rub together for a coffee. If they won't ship to retailers on credit, then they simply don't have the cash to finish the sets they need for backers who have already paid.

Of course it can be extrapolated that if they don't have funds for completing this KS, then their other projects, including WZR aren't earning them significant income.

**CptJake**

Frankly they could kiss my shiny white ass if they asked for more of my money. Prodos and I had a deal, I paid a certain amount and they were to ship a certain set of product to me for that amount. Asking for more without having fulfilled ANY of their current commitment to me and without an option for a refund instead (which we know cannot happen) would be met with laughter by myself.

There would be zero guarantee that even with more money they would ship anything in any timely manner, except of course Their Word, which is worth nothing to me at this point.

**angelofvengeance**

New update folks:

Jim Prodosgames
57 mins · Edited
This is Rumor Control and these are the Facts for Friday August 21, 2015
This week we shipped the last of the North American boxes to Ninja Division, once they receive them they will ship all remaining US backers all in one go. Doing so means we can assure all of our US backers receives the game in 1 large combat drop. Yes, this is later than we had intended, but we would much rather assure that you all received your games together then risk lone marine getting left behind due to delays.
Next Wednesday we will receive the next shipment of board games. There have been some manufacturing delays between having both types of board game boxes (KS and retail) printed, unfortunately xenomorphs got into the power ducts again and cut the power.
We understand this may not be the most happiest of updates and we do understand your frustrations, please accept our apologies and rest assured you will have your game with the deadliest adversaries in the Galaxy soon enough. Stay Frosty.
Cheers,
Prodos Games LTD

Meh.

**JohnHwangDD**

US backers will finally start receiving the things that they paid for? That's a step forward.

**Nostromodamus**

I'll believe it when I see it.

**Grumpae**

Alex C wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it.

I'll still have a hard time then, tbh!

**crazy_cat**

Does anybody actually believe anything they say now?

**Moses Bad**

Let's assume, it is true, it still strikes me odd.
Shipping the last boxes - that means, they already had some.
Why wait to ship it all at once? Who did they think they'd anger by one backer receiving and one still waiting?
Could anybody even be more pissed about shipping?
More in general is possible, depending on the BS they are pulling in the future, but about shipping is about at it's max.

**JohnHwangDD**

Ninja Division received a pallet of stuff for GenCon, and may have had a box or two left over?

**thothkins**

Moses Bad wrote:

Don't fret - awaiting means as much as "waiting to be fulfilled". At least, that's how I remember. And I haven't received a real shipping confirmation - guess you only get one of those, if you order in the online shop.

You get a receipt, but that's about it. I even had to write them in the typical manner, sadly, because I didn't get a receipt. But paranoid as I am I wanted a confirmation, on what I spent my money instead of just having that spreadsheet..

Thanks for that. It's been so long, I couldn't remember it

I know what you mean about paranoia about it. I've kept everything I could just in case my pledge gets "lost" somewhere along the way. Or transmissions go down from LV-Prodos.

**richred_uk**

There was an interesting thread on the FB group last night (I didn't screenshot it) that's been deleted.

Essentially it was someone posting a screenshot from the Wolsung KS campaign by Micro Art Studios that was saying Prodos were late & partial in delivery and no explanation was forthcoming.

Jarek (I think - the poster was yarooprodosgames which I think is Jarek) posted saying that they had shipped some but would ship no more until MAS settled their old invoices, and that MAS had been told this.

Not taking a side on the truth of this one, but while there's accusations about Prodos delaying other KS campaigns, it's only fair to also let their response get the same audience.

**Moses Bad**

But if they are right for a change, why delete it?
I won't take either stance, but I can't help smelling fish.

**richred_uk**

Moses Bad wrote:
But if they are right for a change, why delete it?
I won't take either stance, but I can't help smelling fish.

Well, to be fair, it's not the most tactful way to collect debts

Not if you want to keep earning from that customer. There may well be other sides and a bit of "he said she said", so I don't have a huge problem with it being deleted on diplomacy grounds. It's nothing concrete, but an interesting snap shot.

EDIT - UPDATE

Today's MAS Wolsung KS update has this paragraph "One more thing I would like to clarify since a lot of comments here mention Prodos Games. They are our good friends and we are happy with the quality of their service. The cast quality is excellent. The delays are not caused by their lack of professionalism, but rather some technical issues that could hardly be forseen. We are willing to cooperate with them further in the future and are convenient that our partnership will continue in a fruitful way."

Which reading between the lines sounds a lot like "umm, yes, we did owe them money". To me at least.

**Nostromodamus**

Indeed, apologies to Prodos on that front, seems the whole story wasn't being told.

**dekinrie**

i think are quite busy on the mini production front as mantic have been delayed with their pledges that included blaine from the updates prodos are shipping them in batches though considering there a couple of thousand to be made its gonna take more than 5 minutes