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2016/02/06 15:54:35
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
I suppose technically it could be, but then I think that would be something I could find evidence of elsewhere (which I haven't). Most likely is that they have filed accounts, so I'll be watching webcheck everyday ths week for any progress.
Some potentially useful toys coming out in April. Diecast APC, Hadley’s Hope Daihotai Tractor and Space Jockey look like they might be close to 28mm scale.
So was speaking to a ex work colleague recently a wargames show and he is now high up for one of the major wargames suppliers in the uk .and i pointed out the avp stuff that they had on sale only for him to say that prodos are the worst suppliers to deal with and get into contact with and that they wont he dealing with them or stocking them much longer .they also got prodos to 3d print some masters for them and the proces they were charged were stupidly high .so high that they have gone out and spent 6k on there own printers rather than het prodos to do it again .
Oh and still no sign of my stuff .
2016/02/06 21:55:49
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
richred_uk wrote: [
I suppose technically it could be, but then I think that would be something I could find evidence of elsewhere (which I haven't). Most likely is that they have filed accounts, so I'll be watching webcheck everyday ths week for any progress.
More likely is that they've contacted Companies House confirming that the company is still extant.
If accounts had been filed then they'd be viewable within an hour in my experience.
Not quite sure what everyone's fascination with this is - the Polish company is the one doing the trading, and in all likelihood the licensing agreement with Fox could be transferred there without must fuss.
2016/02/06 22:43:04
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
Not quite sure what everyone's fascination with this is - the Polish company is the one doing the trading, and in all likelihood the licensing agreement with Fox could be transferred there without must fuss.
Prodos Games is the one that's easy for UK residents to take legal steps against if it comes to that, and then enforce when they attend shows like Salute or Derby. It's also the corporate body that backers have contracts with. Small Claims action versus Archon in Poland if you speak no Polish and know nothing of the Polish legal system .... no thanks.
I'm not sure the licence could be as easily transferred as you suggest - I'd be amazed if Fox allowed it to be "sub-let" without permission, or what's to stop Prodos "sub-letting" it to a third party company like Games Workshop. Archon could always buy Prodos, but in that case Prodos still exists. I could be wrong, but that's my gut feeling (I have minimal but not zero real world licensing experience).
Not quite sure what everyone's fascination with this is - the Polish company is the one doing the trading, and in all likelihood the licensing agreement with Fox could be transferred there without must fuss.
Prodos Games is the one that's easy for UK residents to take legal steps against if it comes to that, and then enforce when they attend shows like Salute or Derby. It's also the corporate body that backers have contracts with. Small Claims action versus Archon in Poland if you speak no Polish and know nothing of the Polish legal system .... no thanks.
I'm not sure the licence could be as easily transferred as you suggest - I'd be amazed if Fox allowed it to be "sub-let" without permission, or what's to stop Prodos "sub-letting" it to a third party company like Games Workshop. Archon could always buy Prodos, but in that case Prodos still exists. I could be wrong, but that's my gut feeling (I have minimal but not zero real world licensing experience).
Except it clearly isn't going to come to that given that backers continue to receive their pledges, albeit at a woefully slow pace. But rather than be reassured by that, people would rather insist of concocting the most unlikely of scenarios based on the insignificant late filing of accounts and strike-off action, which then gives Jarek license to come on here acting all exasperated, diverting attention from the real matter of as-yet unfulfilled pledges.
The licensing agreement wouldn't be 'sub-let' - there would be a re-assignment from the UK Prodos to the Polish Prodos. Depending on the agreement this typically requires the licensor to either be informed or to grant permission. Even if the latter, there's no reason Fox wouldn't grant the reassignment - in fact I should think they'd prefer the agreement to be with Prodos' manufacturing base rather than the UK-based company which has no fixed assets on its balance sheet and looks like it could be wrapped up very easily.
I should say the same for Games Workshop in fact - typically the licensor will be paid an up-front 'Minimum Guarantee' which is a non-refundable advance against sales. The licensor gets a royalty percentage on sales which goes against the MG until this is recouped, and is then periodically paid the royalty percentage in excess of MG. Having the deal with Games Workshop would net them a whole lot more in royalties.
2016/02/07 14:41:21
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
Except it clearly isn't going to come to that given that backers continue to receive their pledges, albeit at a woefully slow pace. But rather than be reassured by that, people would rather insist of concocting the most unlikely of scenarios based on the insignificant late filing of accounts and strike-off action, which then gives Jarek license to come on here acting all exasperated, diverting attention from the real matter of as-yet unfulfilled pledges.
We disagree. I think it might well not come to it, but I don't agree that it's "clearly" not going to come to it. That's why I take an active interest - I don't want to be left high and dry like Palladium backers seem to be - legal recourse is my safety net - while a UK company exists, I have some easy and cheap method of enforcement, if it goes, I am left dependent on Prodos' goodwill to deliver. You asked why people were interested - that is why I am - other's interest may vary.
CURNOW wrote: they also got prodos to 3d print some masters for them and the process they were charged were stupidly high
How much is stupidly high? I have used Prodos to 3d masters and it is roughly about $100, for a 28-32mm miniature. That will obviously vary based on size but that is about average price that I have paid at other places. 3d sculpting + 3d printing masters was about $550-600. However I have since then had to find another sculptor and printer mainly because they are backlogged with other projects and contract work. There was a 6 month waiting period when I last re-inquired but also my projects aren't huge so that may factor into it.
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2016/02/09 01:30:05
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
CURNOW wrote: they also got prodos to 3d print some masters for them and the process they were charged were stupidly high
How much is stupidly high? I have used Prodos to 3d masters and it is roughly about $100, for a 28-32mm miniature. That will obviously vary based on size but that is about average price that I have paid at other places. 3d sculpting + 3d printing masters was about $550-600. However I have since then had to find another sculptor and printer mainly because they are backlogged with other projects and contract work. There was a 6 month waiting period when I last re-inquired but also my projects aren't huge so that may factor into it.
Well, obviously high enough that 6K was considered a cheaper alternative.
It never ends well
2016/02/09 11:23:05
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
Yeah basically for the amount of single figures prototypes the wanted printed ( not designed) it worked out cheaper to get there own set up as well as less hassle and far far faster
2016/02/15 22:45:37
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
Any more news on when the final wave stuff should ship?
Looking forward to getting my final bits and bobs. Also keen to hear about the heads and weapons set, along with the not-box-set marines, as we've heard nothing about them for a long time.
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2016/02/15 22:54:29
Subject: Re:AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
I'm hoping to see anything at this stage still no sign of mine. 2 weeks of February left and I can't see the wave 1 or 2 whatever it is now being done before the end of the month.
2016/02/15 23:56:28
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
May I invite you to drop an eye on the following "good news from Prodos" ?
Prodos Games Ltd says:
Good news folks, we have been shipping AVP to backers all week and we’re down to 505 parcels (link to a snapshot from our pledge manager:http://tinypic.com/r/2jd2jb4/9) (+backlog of about 40 being processed by our packing team). There has been an issue with door stands supplying for AvP board game (supplier ran out of it and could not supply any more from China, thus we needed to find a manufacturer in Europe and pay for tooling, 4 weeks delay), as a result some of you may receive a board game with different than black door stands, we took whatever supplier had in stock.
I’m sorry to those who are still awaiting their wave 2 stuff but unfortunately, as we mentioned before, we thought the fairest way to send KS stuff out was randomly. I’ll ask you to be patient for just a little while longer if you haven’t received your stuff as we’re still packing boxes.
In other news, we have had the sculptors working hard behind the scenes on one of the new models to be released soon, and I can now announce that we’re working on one of the most iconic pieces from the Aliens movie...the Drop-ship + APC. It will be an add-on for the board game with few tiles, new missions and rules clarification available only at shows or via our webstore.
Some of you have started to receive the facehugger models over the last few weeks and we hope that you understand some of the changes we had to make.
We are also working on the 3rd and the last wave of approvals on remaining items, once we know more we will share it with you.
We are currently looking a rewrite of some of the rules and I know that some of the crusaders are over on the Prodos AVP forum looking at these. Please make double time over there so that you can tell us what does or doesn’t work with the boardgame as we frequent those pages often to see how we can redesign the game to make it better for you.
Cant believe that with 12 day left to reach their self imposed deadline of end of feb to ship out that after 12mths they still have 20% of all the pledges to post ! And thats if we can belive them and 3rd wave still isn't ok'd ?? Ffs
2016/02/16 09:28:03
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
I expect this update is supposed to reassure me that I'll ever receive anything from Prodos.
In reality it only serves as another appalling glimpse into this utterly amateurish organisation's incompetence.
I'll be genuinely surprised if my game doesn't turn up in a pizza box with 'AVP' crudely scrawled on it in crayon and plastic army mens for the marines.
2016/02/16 11:44:50
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
The news on the dropship is confusing. Talks about sculptors, but then mentions "a few tiles" for the board-game. Hmmm....
I'd rather get the rest of my pledge though and for the other backers to get theirs... Then I can go laugh at their Space Boobs Crusaders. What a cesspit of vitriol this is (and apparently the rest of the industry hate us dakka users as well )
Odd that pledge manager link in the update gets blocked by the adult material filter on my phones network. Can someone that has access please confirm that they haven't breached data protection yet again by posting backer details.
Hopefully we don't get bright pink door stands as that's all the manufacturer had in stock!
Oh well push this out until the end of March (year not specified) I reckon
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2016/02/16 12:53:35
Subject: Re:AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
Hi jarek what's happening with stat cards for the berserker? I didn't get any when I got some of my berserker models
Jarek Ewertowski:
to be hones we should not have any Berserker cards as the model wont be released to retail at all, I'll check that tomorrow morning what happened
Well some backers say they have them and even posted pictures
Jarek Ewertowski:
ok, if we made that mistake (and printed the card) then everybody will have to receive it.... let me check it tomorrow morning.
[followed by pictures of said Berserker card from another backer!]
Spoiler:
With those numbers still to ship end of Feb to complete Wave 2 looks impossible now.
And the Berserker card. Jarek, will those of us who didn't get it get one in our Wave 3 shipment?
Jarek Ewertowski:
yes everybody will get the card in W3 in this case, as for completing wave 2, well no door stands supply hit us hard, KS and retail as well.
Jarek Ewertowski:
we have not expected to get this "off shelves" product to became obsolete, it looks like we have been the only one using this for a board game...
Jarek Ewertowski:
this is what we managed to get, enough for 150 board games.ta
Spoiler:
Jarek Ewertowski:
and even in purple colour ... Jesus.
Backer 1:
the purple looks like the best option from those choices.
Jarek Ewertowski:
well, not really an option now,
Jarek Ewertowski:
stupid tiny thing and stopped us for almost a month frown emoticon good we had some in stock and managed to produce another batch of KS.
Backer 1:
yeah - I didn't mean in terms of having a choice.
Backer 2:
I notice there is no estimate on completing Wave 2 and starting Wave 3. I assume March given the 4 week delay, so April to start Wave 3 at the earliest. This project never catches a break frown emoticon
Jarek Ewertowski:
it was 4 weeks for tooling and so on, however we have still 137 board games in stock that being sent out this/next week, restock is coming in 3 max weeks (as soon as we get stands or find temporary replacement for them (not really an option as it will need an approval))
Backer 1:
indeed - the lack of supply is unfortunate, but should really have been predicted - they must've known how many stands they made in the first place, how many they needed for the boxed games ordered via KS, and how many they've been shipping to retail. ...See More
Backer 2:
So in fact an open ended delay frown emoticon
Jarek Ewertowski:
no really need to go that way, we have been told overnight that its over, Chinesse supplier moved to different commodity and have no more stands - predicting this is impossible unless you are a seer or read it form tea dregs, expecially when you have been ordering tons of them and then bang, no more.
Backer 1:
so the 4 week delay is from now, not ending now?
Backer 2:
From how Jarek has written above, I don't think he knows when he will have stands.
jarek ,will the lynn,dutch and extra weapon and head spure be in wave 3
Jarek Ewertowski:
yes
Jarek 2 questions: 1. Is it entirely possible that because of the 4 week delay for door stands, that the remaining 505 will receive more in their wave 2 (eg. Lynn, Dutch, Add-on Marines)? 2. The Dropship/APC is going to be released in resin and then released in plastic 8 months later
Jarek Ewertowski:
Drop ship will be in resin only, I was referring to prodos plastic manufacturing. 1. yes, that's possible
AFAIK the redesigned face huggers are molded to a base insert for a 30/40mm round lip base probably to make them easier to cast. The original face huggers were individual miniatures without any base molded to them.
Edit wait I was only joking about pink stands and then picture turns up with yellow, white and pink/red stands
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2016/02/16 13:04:46
Subject: AvP: The Hunt Begins by Prodos Games 16/10/15 PM re-opened
That sucks about the facehuggers. It'll be very difficult to convert them to, say for instance, jumping onto victims and in midleap. I'm curious to see if the kool aid color door stands will make it into retail copies or if Prodos will be able to find a solution in time for those more important copies.
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