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 Alpharius wrote:
Or just delay this KS a bit and then launch how you wanted to initially?

Smaller works better for all kinds of reasons. To use a rather extreme example, look at the original RBG campaign and the most recent one. Ridiculous, you say? Well, the casting was out of Tre's hands in both campaigns. But one involved a new supplier and a new material for Tre that was proven in testing and their own products. Consider the Trollcast aspect to be like the printing aspect in that sense - out of Tre's hands, and despite the best assurances, not all worked out all that well. Of course, printer issues do happen (DeadBall, Sedition Wars) so it's not like I'm making up a straw man there...

Tre:
Can we hope for some female miniatures in the same style as the Njorn? With that I mean female fighters who look strong and confident wearing armour similar to the guys (or at least armour that actually protects...) and not combat strippers... Or if they are scantly clad, that they are not more so than males of the same factions and are in fighting stances, not pin up poses.

 jorny wrote:
Tre:
Can we hope for some female miniatures in the same style as the Njorn? With that I mean female fighters who look strong and confident wearing armour similar to the guys (or at least armour that actually protects...) and not combat strippers... Or if they are scantly clad, that they are not more so than males of the same factions and are in fighting stances, not pin up poses.

Tre has some great female Njorn models that I think are some of the best female fantasy miniatures on the market.

Such as Vilhanna

And Svanhild

And Ylvfriodr

weeble1000 wrote:

 jorny wrote:
Tre:
Can we hope for some female miniatures in the same style as the Njorn? With that I mean female fighters who look strong and confident wearing armour similar to the guys (or at least armour that actually protects...) and not combat strippers... Or if they are scantly clad, that they are not more so than males of the same factions and are in fighting stances, not pin up poses.

Tre has some great female Njorn models that I think are some of the best female fantasy miniatures on the market.

Such as Vilhanna

And Svanhild

And Ylvfriodr

I agree that they are some of the absolute best female miniatures! Thats why I want more of them!

Glad you are exploring resin. I've been super impressed by the resin offerings from a number of sources lately (Mierce, Anvil Industries, Victoria Miniatures, Maxmini).

I think people are primed to pay a bit more for resin as well (over metal or most plastics).

Looking forward to this a lot (might have said that already).
Barbarians and Undead are right in my 'buy boutique minis without thinking' wheelhouse, so you're off to a good start.

Not related to the super secret project, but this is the only live RBG thread in N&R so

http://www.puttyandpaint.com/projects/4073

The Nightwatch painted by Roman Lappat (jarhead)




all (bar mice and dog) are RBG minis

 tre manor wrote:


Ritides; Nope the orcs are for the existign fantasy line....I HAVE to come up with an official name for it.......However there will CERTAINLY be a orc equivalent faction in this new project. They won;t be an " Oh those are Orcs! " kind of thing but they will be an " Oh those must be the ' orcs '. " kind of thing.

This project's primary focus is going to be unique identity. I want people to know which line these items belong to when they see them without havign any other clue other than what they see.

Az, thanks again man. Great advice. Yep the Barbarians in this initial offering would be the " good" guys and the Undead would definitely be the " bad " guys though that distinction won;t always be the same as the line develops.

No worries, tre' - I actually like the sound of that (if my take on what you mean is correct) "Barbarian tribes" could easily be aligned to "good", "evil" and everything in between. Men fighting other men is pretty much our entire history as a species, after all. And with a bit of creative lore, Undead can also easily be tweaked to have a lot more depth than "evil skeletons = bad!" After all, the Dead Men of Dunharrow (Army of the Dead) were neither really good, nor evil. As long as people in an initial offering have something they can identify with as "good guys", it's all good.

Now I am trying to decide between an in between kind fo faction or another evil faction or another good faction. Though I would prefer to totally toss out the idea of factions and absolute faction identities. I like the idea of defining the actors within the world as being good or evil based on their individual ethics, associations and agendas rather than which " faction " they belong to. I will of course offer pre-written characters for each faction / race that will be either good or evil btu I also want players to feel encouraged to write their own stories within the world and for those stories to be freely defined.

Of course, and that's the same sort of thing I was just touching on - and gives much more depth than simple D&D-style alignments - but in terms of psychology - and especially for a new game, people like to be told who the "good guys" are, and many will gravitate towards "good guys" or "bad guys" on that basis alone, so it's good to have (and keep) some form of generalised background which gives a general tone but also allows flexibility on behalf of the player - if only to say something like

"Most barbarian tribes of the north worship Frejasif, the goddess of goodness, while their cousins in the more sparsely-populated south tend to worship Hel and Ull, and have a much darker outlook on the world around them..." - ergo - you now have Barbarians who are mostly "good" while allowing for "evil" barbarians at the same time.

So the Barbarians could be defined as beign melee heavy and the Undead as being magic heavy....... I guess the third faction should tread the middle ground??

Either a middle ground, or a radical or unusual visual aesthetic. (Or both!) Barbarians and Undead both use well-worn, comfortable and popular fantasy tropes. A third faction is a good place (IMO at least) to throw in one of your most different looking/unique factions. This is where you could throw in your Lizardmen, or Fimir, or Zoats, or Snakemen, etc - a faction with a look much more unique to your new gameworld.

The quickstart rules will be a free booklet included with the faction starters. So a VERY stripped down version fo the rules just to get people playing. Remember the old Confrontation quick start rules booklet that came int he blisters?? That is kind of what I am thinking here, only in a larger format. So yes a PDF would also be available and would not interrupt any sales from the rules booklet.

Sounds good. Get them out ASAP (even beta rules) with a suggestion of "good playtest models" from your existing range and you should hopefully get a bit of a spike in sales during the actual KS as well as a healthy number of pledges.

I finished the first grunt matrix for the third faction last night. I am REALLY looking forward to people's reactions to this one! the third faction will be an equally balanced faction. Magic, Melee, and Missile.

yep I had to scrap all that work and it was costly believe me. I did over compensate on the fitting sizes for the orcs but apparently it was nto enough. Ah well. Live and learn. :/


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Sorry i was hasty in my response.

Yeh that piece ( could it be called that?? ) by Roman is PHENOMENAL! That is an incredible amount of work he put in to that. what an amazing artist he is. I do not knwo how i will ever repay that favor!

And one more note on the third faction for the opening of the new project. I think it will be the most popular of the three. It ticks quite a few boxes.

And yes there will be more female Njorn in sensible armour. That is one of the goals of the RBG fantasy line; To make female adventurers look like they are actually going on an adventure rather that to a sex party.

I would kill for some Tre sculpted snakemen. Melee, ranged, and spellcasters. Just FYI Tre!

Just put down the first of the undead footmen.... Done all except for his head weapon and shield. I will not be able to make them modular as the posing restricts the universality. I am DEFINITELY in the groove on this project. I might actually be done with the sculpting by the end of MArch!

Sounds very good, Tre!

Edit: I was referring to the prior post above, got ninja'ed by the man himself

 tre manor wrote:

And one more note on the third faction for the opening of the new project. I think it will be the most popular of the three. It ticks quite a few boxes.

Magic, Melee, and Missile. They are some sort of elves, aren't they?

not quite.

I completed another grunt for a fourth faction last night. Depending on how this goes I may just kickstart several starter sets and then expand the armies in a second kickstarter.

 tre manor wrote:


And yes there will be more female Njorn in sensible armour. That is one of the goals of the RBG fantasy line; To make female adventurers look like they are actually going on an adventure rather that to a sex party.

You make it sound like a sex party isn't an adventure ...

 tre manor wrote:


not quite.

I completed another grunt for a fourth faction last night. Depending on how this goes I may just kickstart several starter sets and then expand the armies in a second kickstarter.

This sounds great - especially if it means you'll be launching this sooner now!

 judgedoug wrote:
I would kill for some Tre sculpted snakemen. Melee, ranged, and spellcasters. Just FYI Tre!

Snakemen in the same style as Rackhams? I would buy a ton of those, or an elf/spider hybrid.

So when is the next sneak peek?

 Gallahad wrote:
So when is the next sneak peek?

Well said

Can we have a few more pics of that Rhino looking creature?

Please?

The next sneak peek will be the first of the undead after I finish his weapon and shield. I am REALLY happy with the way it turned out and I am REALLY excited about showing it off. Hopefully tomorrow afternoon if my wife lets me work tomorrow.

The big beastie is going to be a ways off getting done just yet. That one is going to have a fairly complex skin texture and barding. It will be a centerpiece model so I am taking my time with it being certain that everything is exactly as I want it to be.

 tre manor wrote:
The next sneak peek will be the first of the undead after I finish his weapon and shield. I am REALLY happy with the way it turned out and I am REALLY excited about showing it off. Hopefully tomorrow afternoon if my wife lets me work tomorrow.

The big beastie is going to be a ways off getting done just yet. That one is going to have a fairly complex skin texture and barding. It will be a centerpiece model so I am taking my time with it being certain that everything is exactly as I want it to be.

Undead! Great!!
Can't wait to see it.

95% finished........

9 undead warriors

1 undead Warrior hero

1 cultist acolyte ( there will be two in the set. )

1 necromancer priestess

1 greater Demon

Should be done with all of these by tomorrow afternoon. Then on to the barbarian starter set.

 tre manor wrote:
The next sneak peek will be the first of the undead after I finish his weapon and shield. I am REALLY happy with the way it turned out and I am REALLY excited about showing it off. Hopefully tomorrow afternoon if my wife lets me work tomorrow.

So given your latest post, I think we're due for that sneak peak

You sure seem to have been a busy bee Tre! And now you need to sneak peak us!

Ahem...


*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!*

I'm a bit excited by this. I believe this is a good time for the 'take my money' meme.

I will post a sneal peek tomorrow.

Give us a peek Tre!

Ok Tre. This is the day after tomorrow. Where's the sneak peak?

 tre manor wrote:
I will post a sneal peek tomorrow.

OK, it's Monday now... *nudge*

He's probably spending time with his family or sculpting instead of showing us pictures! He must be destroyed!!