Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : P99 Bulletin #50

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**Baragash**

I see FW e-mails are still taking the pee. Earlier this week they were advertising for Black Library, now they're "reminding" us about the Character Series......

**Zuul**

Baragash wrote:
I see FW e-mails are still taking the pee. Earlier this week they were advertising for Black Library, now they're "reminding" us about the Character Series......

It's funny, of the 4 characters with rules for my legion, the 2 I have are the ones that do not have models.

**ImAGeek**

tedurur wrote:
So much for the rumors suggesting DA would be done soon

Which rumours were they? We don't really get rumours for FW stuff, they pretty much tell us their plans. Plans often change though. But I don't remember DA ever being said to be that soon...

**Fireball**

Dinamarth wrote:
Dear Forgeworld, please bring out Dorn and Sigismund soon.

I second that! But I doubt its gonna happen. They messed up Sigismund (which turned out to be the IF Legion Command model) and pushed back Dorn because of his huge chainsword. We may not see them before the war reaches Terra ...

**tedurur**

ImAGeek wrote:
tedurur wrote:
So much for the rumors suggesting DA would be done soon

Which rumours were they? We don't really get rumours for FW stuff, they pretty much tell us their plans. Plans often change though. But I don't remember DA ever being said to be that soon...

Read some time agaon on B&C that DA would be in the 6th book. Guess that was simply not true

**zedmeister**

Doubt we'd see Sigismund for quite some time. Looking at the release pattern for FW, it's generally 1 primarch and 1 character series model or duo set. The Fists have had Pollux with Dorn probably some time later this year/early next year and that's probably it for a while.

**ImAGeek**

tedurur wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
tedurur wrote:
So much for the rumors suggesting DA would be done soon

Which rumours were they? We don't really get rumours for FW stuff, they pretty much tell us their plans. Plans often change though. But I don't remember DA ever being said to be that soon...

Read some time agaon on B&C that DA would be in the 6th book. Guess that was simply not true

Well it would've been true at the time, but like I said, plans change. I think Prospero was meant to be book 4/5 originally, and it's book 7 now.

**Asmodai Asmodean**

ImAGeek wrote:
tedurur wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
tedurur wrote:
So much for the rumors suggesting DA would be done soon

Which rumours were they? We don't really get rumours for FW stuff, they pretty much tell us their plans. Plans often change though. But I don't remember DA ever being said to be that soon...

Read some time agaon on B&C that DA would be in the 6th book. Guess that was simply not true

Well it would've been true at the time, but like I said, plans change. I think Prospero was meant to be book 4/5 originally, and it's book 7 now.

Why force the golden goose?

**Darth Bob**

With Pollux finished and released and Dynat already finished and ready to go to production, I'm betting Dorn or Alpharius will be next after Guilliman. Though, that comment on Dorn may mean Corax is more likely.

**reds8n**

Some FW rules for the new event models :

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/N/Narik.pdf

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/A/Autilon.pdf

**zedmeister**

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**Haighus**

Those rules are interesting. The Praevian in particular could make some nasty robot units with the ability to make them preferred enemy, as well as giving them Legionnes Astartes.

**Yodhrin**

Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.

**Bronzefists42**

Yodhrin wrote:
Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.

What's stopping someone from just converting them?

**Yodhrin**

Bronzefists42 wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.

What's stopping someone from just converting them?

That's not an argument against anything, because it applies to everything. It's technically possible to sculpt every model you'll use yourself from the armature up, that doesn't make this kind of thing any more sensible. Some people like using the actual special character model for that special character. Some people might not have the skill or time to make a conversion they'd be comfortable putting down on the table in front of other people. Some people might just like the way the actual model looks and want one.

What's stopping FW from just selling the models? It just makes no sense to me to go to all the hassle of putting together specific rules for special character models and then make it completely impractical for most people to actually acquire said models. I've always thought "event-only" stuff is daft, but at least they're usually either models for which alternatives already exist or which represent stuff that's not in the games at all - doing it with legit special characters and putting out rules for them is practically taunting the folk who want one but can't get it for whatever reason.

**alphaecho**

Yodhrin wrote:
Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.

I know I was glad of Warlord Games making an agreement with (I think it was) Adepticon that the special Dick Winters model was available online during the convention. Its not as if I would have splashed to pop across and get it.

The same for Victoria Lamb. Last year it was the Arcadian standard bearer, this year the Tannenburg officer although those were in limited numbers.

**Looky Likey**

FW would never do that, they seem determined to drive people to their own events and ones they support. I'm guessing they are highly profitable otherwise they would have been cut already along with the GW events to save money.

The gouging is very easy to fix, just limit the number of any one item you are allowed to buy if it is a limited release. Character models or books (this applies to BL as well) you only need one, some units should be two or three at most.

Does the current policy hurt people who can't or won't go to the shows? Of course. They could do a points system to 'earn' the right to buy a limited model outside of a show at the end of the year (when they'd be stopping production anyway), but they'd never be able to keep track of it, free shipping vouchers give them enough trouble as it is.

**angryboy2k**

Yodhrin wrote:
Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.

Exalted.

They could probably make a small fortune from charging for such livecasts and selling special models online during them.

**Mr. Burning**

angryboy2k wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Indeed very interesting. Shame they'll see little use thanks to the ridiculously limited availability of the models and the insane ebay prices that result. Seriously Forgeworld, it's 2015, time to acknowledge that the internet exists and start livecasting your event seminars and selling the event models online during the event - trust me, almost nobody is spending a small fortune on tickets, travel, and accommodation to come to one of your events just for the chance to buy one model. They might be coming for the chance to buy dozens of them in order to gouge people on ebay, but you'd make those sales and more anyway by selling them online yourself and save people money they'll likely end up spending on more FW products.

Exalted.

They could probably make a small fortune from charging for such livecasts and selling special models online during them.

Finecasts I'll think you'll find..................

Give GW/Fw time though. They will see the the way things were run in about 2 or 3 years from now.

**Darth Bob**

Even if you don't want to convert the characters, there's literally nothing stopping you from making your own Praevian or Delegatus. These are just an Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion version of a role fulfilled by others in other Legions. In fact, the rules specifically provide a template for you to create your own.

For that matter, I don't think there's really anything special about these guys' rules other than them being a Praevian/Delegatus.

**Haighus**

The special character profiles might not see much use, but those datasheets allow you to use Consul-Praevians and Consul-Delegatus in any Legion, so you will see the rules used a lot. The event only models are just examples of that type of consul. That is probably why they bothered making rules for them, because they are also making an additional option for Legion lists to take with each one. Hence why I said the rules are interesting.

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Darth Bob wrote:
Even if you don't want to convert the characters, there's literally nothing stopping you from making your own Praevian or Delegatus. These are just an Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion version of a role fulfilled by others in other Legions. In fact, the rules specifically provide a template for you to create your own.

For that matter, I don't think there's really anything special about these guys' rules other than them being a Praevian/Delegatus.

I think the only differences are the Iron Warrior gets W3, and I can't remember if Consuls usually have the option for master crafted weapons.

**beast_gts**

Haighus wrote:

I think the only differences are the Iron Warrior gets W3, and I can't remember if Consuls usually have the option for master crafted weapons.

They don't.

**Rayvon**

Looks like I might be waiting a while for any SW chars as expected, wondering if they will make Bjorn as a special char ?

Baragash wrote:
I see FW e-mails are still taking the pee. Earlier this week they were advertising for Black Library, now they're "reminding" us about the Character Series......

Yep, how dare they email me twice in two days !
It was such a chore to hit delete.

**zedmeister**

Mhara Gal aka the Chaos Contemptor

First encountered during the Battle of Ithraca amidst the catastrophe on Calth, the twisted form of the Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought is terrifying in both its aspect and its unearthly power. The first Mhara Gal is believed to have been created from the barely living remains of a Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren and a battle-shattered Contemptor Dreadnought chassis, both recovered from the blood-soaked ground of Isstvan V. Fused together by unholy practices, they were then corrupted by a warp-borne power, giving birth to a new monstrosity – a living engine of war and hatred.

The Word Bearers Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought is a fearsome opponent in battle. Wielding a warpfire plasma cannon and tainted power claw, it is formidable both at range and in close combat, its blows slicing through armour and energy fields alike. Its warp-twisted reactor and the daemonic powers gifted to it by dark forces make it all the more deadly, even breaking the bonds of reality around the Mhara Gal to allow it to walk through obstacles as if they were not there at all.

This new addition to the Horus Heresy Character Series is a complete multi-part resin kit and is packaged in a black presentation box. Experimental rules for using the Word Bearers Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought in games set during the Horus Heresy can be found HERE.

See GW - this is how you do Chaos. No silly skulls and spikes. Instead you have a sinister biomechanical abomination. Would make an excellent 40k contemptor stand in as well.

The rules are pretty beastly too.

**Ashiraya**

That is one obscenely sexy Dreadnought.

Edit: With obscenely sexy rules. I need one.

Yes, I play 40k CSM. I need one anyway.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Its fething disgusting.

...

I like it.

**angelofvengeance**

He's a big boy isn't he?!!

**ImAGeek**

It's huge! Not keen on that pose, looks like it's tiptoeing around, but a lovely sculpt.

**Haighus**

I wasn't expecting it to be that much larger, but then I guess this is to Contemptors what a Gal Vorbak is to a normal Marine.

The bit that is confusing me is that it isn't a character (you can take as many as you can fit into Elites) yet it is in the HH Character Series? I guess that is just because it is a damn nice sculpt, and that is coming from someone who doesn't like daemonic stuff.

**ImAGeek**

Haighus wrote:
I wasn't expecting it to be that much larger, but then I guess this is to Contemptors what a Gal Vorbak is to a normal Marine.

The bit that is confusing me is that it isn't a character (you can take as many as you can fit into Elites) yet it is in the HH Character Series? I guess that is just because it is a damn nice sculpt, and that is coming from someone who doesn't like daemonic stuff.

Yeah that confused me a bit too. Possibly just because it has the level of detail of a character sculpt. I'd say maybe so they can charge more but the price is about right compared to a normal Contemptor.