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Presumably because he's got a Typhus in there, and that's the style that on his shoulder pad.

winterdyne wrote:
Presumably because he's got a Typhus in there, and that's the style that on his shoulder pad.

Exactly this. Also the Rhino is a very edgy vehicle, so I think it fits better.

 BewareOfTom wrote:
didnt see this yet, but here is the MWG ad video

Spoiler:

RoninXiC wrote:
The painting quality is atrocious

This has already been posted in the other, more directly related thread. Let's try and keep from having the same discussion here as well. Save this thread for posts/updates/discussion about the CSM commission and BTP's early process/communication with OP, as intended, eh?

Let me just say... BTP can seriously kitbash.. I think daemon wings or hive tyrant wings would have went better with the big bug, but still amazing work.


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 M0ff3l wrote:

winterdyne wrote:
Presumably because he's got a Typhus in there, and that's the style that on his shoulder pad.

Exactly this. Also the Rhino is a very edgy vehicle, so I think it fits better.

I don't play CSM, just really liked the circular fly. After a quick google search, I realized you're right about Typhus' shoulder pad. Good call, carry on.

Limit your discussion to this thread, stuff to do with other BTP related shenanigans can be mostly confined to the other thread. Further OT stuff will receive warnings

Steelmage99 wrote:
I think that Winterdyne has given it an excellent twist with adding the green, and moving the red to the visors and the yellow to the shoulders.'
On top of that he, as you said, have executed it very well.

Not to belittle Winterdyne, but that scheme is the original Judge Dredd scheme, not his own creation.

In this thread they're irrelevant other than as an example of what 'level 5 / character/skirmish work' should look like.

Probably best to keep further discussion of enforcers etc here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/527098.page

General question since you are getting BTP's painting service. With them changing their number scales from current 2-7, to 2-10,(Saw in recent video) are they changing yours or updating it to their new system of scale painting?

 conker249 wrote:
General question since you are getting BTP's painting service. With them changing their number scales from current 2-7, to 2-10,(Saw in recent video) are they changing yours or updating it to their new system of scale painting?

Personally I believe people misunderstood shawn in that video, their scale has always been 1-10 but they only offered 2-6. To answer your question, I have not received any information about an updated painting scale. Which I assume I would be one of the first to be informed if they indeed updated it, as I am a current client.

I take it your figures are still in transit, M0ff3l?

 M0ff3l wrote:

 conker249 wrote:
General question since you are getting BTP's painting service. With them changing their number scales from current 2-7, to 2-10,(Saw in recent video) are they changing yours or updating it to their new system of scale painting?

Personally I believe people misunderstood shawn in that video, their scale has always been 1-10 but they only offered 2-6. To answer your question, I have not received any information about an updated painting scale. Which I assume I would be one of the first to be informed if they indeed updated it, as I am a current client.

That's how I understood it as well. When they first rolled out the scale years ago, Shawn mentioned doing insurance estimates... A golden daemon winning model or unit had better darn well be level 9 or 10.

 Dysartes wrote:
I take it your figures are still in transit, M0ff3l?

According to the tracking site they are now in the US waiting to be delivered to BTP, so soon I will hear from them hopefully.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 conker249 wrote:
General question since you are getting BTP's painting service. With them changing their number scales from current 2-7, to 2-10,(Saw in recent video) are they changing yours or updating it to their new system of scale painting?

Personally I believe people misunderstood shawn in that video, their scale has always been 1-10 but they only offered 2-6. To answer your question, I have not received any information about an updated painting scale. Which I assume I would be one of the first to be informed if they indeed updated it, as I am a current client.

That's how I understood it as well. When they first rolled out the scale years ago, Shawn mentioned doing insurance estimates... A golden daemon winning model or unit had better darn well be level 9 or 10.

You cannot put a grade on a GD winning model. Winning GD is NOT just about the paintwork. I know, I got a demon out of some nice, but not technically excellent paintwork on a diorama that was designed from the outset just to tell a story (which is what I and others think got me the trophy).

You can't even put a grade on finalist. It's not a by-the-numbers competition - I have numerous finalist pieces that I simply picked out of the cabinet for something to put in. I have pieces that I really put effort into that sat on the shelf all day with ne'er a sticker in sight.

So those things are pointless - you can state whether it should potentially be a contender - I refer to that as competition grade (as do many other places), and it really just boils down to putting in your best effort. It's down to the artist what competition grade means. You can't do better than your best; but year on year and job on job you can certainly push on what your best is. In terms of charging for it - the time involved can range from quick, to ridiculously long - depending on style / detail / size / many other factors.

I think if we're going to go down the road of talking about what level is "GD level" then we should stick to referencing things BTP have actually said.

I'd imagine what BTP actually said is something along the lines of... this hypothetical level that we don't actually offer would be high quality to the point that we would consider worthy of entering in to a high level competition such as GD.

I can't help but feel the whole levels thing is getting taken out of context now that BTP have removed references to levels (which is their own fault, I know, but I'd still rather see what BTP themselves have said about their levels rather than 2nd hand recycled memories from forum dwellers).

As soon as you get anywhere close to something that could legitimately be described as 'Golden Demon Level' then the level system loses all meaning. You can't say that it gets X number of layers of paint or X amount of details.

My gold winning 40k squad would have failed to meet most 'number of highlights' criteria, and after judging I noticed that I had completely missed the detail on a skull on the commanders belt.
As winterdyne said it's all about how the various elements come together, trying to quantify work at that level is silly.

The best you can do is say, it will be as impressive and impactful as THIS: (pictures of awesome work).

Edit: Plastictrees basically said the same thing while i was typing, and it is exactly my point on the subject...

i don't even understand why any painting service would postulate on what rating a GD level paintjob is, especially if they don't offer that level of service...
even more confusing, are they postulating on what level would be good enough to enter, good enough to win, or what???
the reality is, anyone can enter a contest, no matter there level of painting skill, and minis are judged against what is entered on the day, so both entries, and winners, are of variable skill levels in any given contest...
then there is open style judging, which is a whole other can of worms...
what's more, that is just one level, out of a possible ten, to try and quantify...
what a confusing mess...

in the last decade of being a professional painter, and contest competitor, i've only ever offered one level of service, which is the best of my ability...
over those ten years, my skill level, published work, prize wins, and prices have grown...
i try to push my skills further with each mini, develop a recognizable personal style, and strive to be considered among the best painters in the world...
this is a personal choice, and restricts my customer base to the high-end collectors, but is deeply satisfying, and customers know they will get something better than they expected...

cheers
jah

I think you got the wrong topic jah-joshua, this thread is not about Tenebre...

you're right, i did go off on a tangent there...
i'll edit that out...

cheers
jah

Update!

They received my army, this is the mail I got:

Hi, Name!

We just unpacked the package you sent. We now have all the models for your Chaos Space Marines 01 project. Name will check through your instructions and let you know if we have any questions. Then it's on to assembly! I know you aren't having us assemble anything, but a few things (rhino bolter, sorcerer scythe, and biker meltagun) broke off in transit. We'll fix those fee of charge. Once those are taken care of, we'll move it into painting.

Thanks!
~Name

Nice of them to fix it free of charge, but holy moly am I glad my cypher appears to have survived the trip... maybe its because I wrapped him in 4 layers...

Glad to hear your stuff arrived mostly in one piece - I take it the use of Name in the quoted email was after you editted it?

 Dysartes wrote:
Glad to hear your stuff arrived mostly in one piece - I take it the use of Name in the quoted email was after you editted it?

Yes, as I said in the OP I will leave every employee name out of this.

Do BTP know about this thread?

I'd say it's probaby biased your dealing with the already. I doubt you'll get the "ten treatment" if they know you're making a public log of progress/results.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Do BTP know about this thread?

I'd say it's probaby biased your dealing with the already. I doubt you'll get the "ten treatment" if they know you're making a public log of progress/results.

I dont know if they know about it, I was debating asking them/showing it and asking for their opinion on this whole matter. But I do agree that this might skew the result. However I will also say that I was planning to make this entire post after I got my army back etc. But I got pressured to post it earlier because people were questioning my credibility.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Do BTP know about this thread?

I'd say it's probaby biased your dealing with the already. I doubt you'll get the "ten treatment" if they know you're making a public log of progress/results.

I think that's really the point at this stage. It's not going to be a good test of their service because we know they read these threads on all the major forums. What it will do is make sure the OP gets a better than average product for his bucks. They know that if they mess up here that's another nail in the coffin so he is going to get better service than anyone else would.

Lets remember the other side of the coin guys. M0ff3l's army if it is being watched by BTP is safer than Tens was because they know if they screw up then that's another nail in the coffin. Instead of it being a test of BTP, its keeping them accountable for the job they promised to do.

M0ff3l, personally i still confused why you used BTP when there are amazing painters in Europe for you to use. However, I want to say that's only my opinion and i appreciate you going through this for the community to show us how a BTP interaction works.

So Thank you for taking the time to put this all together. Your doing a service, (Like Ten) for the community at large.

 Casey's Law wrote:
It's not going to be a good test of their service because we know they read these threads on all the major forums. What it will do is make sure the OP gets a better than average product for his bucks. They know that if they mess up here that's another nail in the coffin so he is going to get better service than anyone else would.

 swampyturtle wrote:
Lets remember the other side of the coin guys. M0ff3l's army if it is being watched by BTP is safer than Tens was because they know if they screw up then that's another nail in the coffin. Instead of it being a test of BTP, its keeping them accountable for the job they promised to do.

Did you really just reiterate exactly what I said as if it was the opposite of what I said? Yes, yes you did.

 Casey's Law wrote:

 Casey's Law wrote:
It's not going to be a good test of their service because we know they read these threads on all the major forums. What it will do is make sure the OP gets a better than average product for his bucks. They know that if they mess up here that's another nail in the coffin so he is going to get better service than anyone else would.

 swampyturtle wrote:
Lets remember the other side of the coin guys. M0ff3l's army if it is being watched by BTP is safer than Tens was because they know if they screw up then that's another nail in the coffin. Instead of it being a test of BTP, its keeping them accountable for the job they promised to do.

Did you really just reiterate exactly what I said as if it was the opposite of what I said? Yes, yes you did.

Maybe

Has there been any news on this? I actually thought the thread had been nuked, as no updates have shown up and I didn't see it on page 1 or even 2 of discussions. OP has been quite silent about how things have been going: wanted to see if any news has reached you yet about the beginning of your project.

Also, I know this comes down to personal choice, but if I was asking for a combo conversion and the studio charged me for a full Rhino to get the part, that would have been enough to get me to go elsewhere. Or you could have offered to buy the rhino (and sell what you didn't need) and send them the part to add on. I feel like they really took advantage of you here.

OP writes on the first page that projects tend to take 4-10 weeks. BTP only received the models four days ago. I'd be surprised if anything noteworthy has been done in such a short time.

The repairs are done and the project is being moved to the painters floor. The next update I get will be pictures of the finished project and if I approve of them.

So this thread will go silent for a while I guess, but Im sure that when I get the pictures there will be a lot more discussing going on.