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Herzlos wrote:
It's almost no work for 3rd parties - just cut 8mm off the 40mm bases.

My concern is GW is going to try and claim ownership of 32mm bases and try to throw their weight around. I can't see it holding up to scrutiny but nothing else they do, does.

Also still nothing stopping companies doing 31/33mm bases that are actually 32mm diameter; I've already got 31/32mm bases I used for Malifaux (sold as 30mm but presumably with some shrinkage overcompensated for in the resin).

It doesn't matter if they actually "own" it. It takes 4 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to prove otherwise. GW has proven that they're willing to throw away that type of money to enforce their ludicrous ideas.

Meh wont be switching bases any time soon. BUT in good news the bigger base size will make for some nice character basing.

I really wish they started out with these way back when for jump packs (frickin insane trying to keep em up right or in tight formation)

 Desubot wrote:
Meh wont be switching bases any time soon. BUT in good news the bigger base size will make for some nice character basing.

I really wish they started out with these way back when for jump packs (frickin insane trying to keep em up right or in tight formation)

Yeah, the same is true of orks as well with their gorilla arms out at the side like they're airing out their armpits in the breeze mandatory choppa boy poses.

Arguably having the 32mm bases is a good thing. More room for you to fiddle about with them I guess.

Seems like an odd and unlikely rumor, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened. With so many other games using 30mm bases, if GW decides to upsize, there really isn't any downside for them in switching to a proprietary base size. Why give your customers the ability to go elsewhere?

 docdoom77 wrote:

 Necros wrote:
I think it should be based on the unit / model .. keep some small things on 25's and increase them a tad for bulkier stuff. I always hate it when the tips of space marine and necron feets stick out over the edges.

Agreed. Started putting together my first necrons last week and what pain to get those wide legs on the base properly!

It may be a moot point if the rumor is true, but have you considered switching to flat sided 25mm bases? Litko and other companies make them in wood/MDF and Mantic and Wargames factory (though they are 2mm rather than 3mm thick) make them in plastic. It might not seem like much, but GW 25mm Slottas and Privateer press 30mm rounds only have 23mm of actual basing area. 2mm can be a real benefit when trying to fit that last bit of foot on the base. Here's some height, width and basing-area-diameters for common (and not so common) bases I reviewed a while back.
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2012/07/review-bases-from-proxie-models.html

Also, if you are going to switch to 32mm, just order 3mm x 32mm bases from litko (100 for $24.99)

I'm intrigued. Marines probably would look better on slightly bigger bases, and I'm contemplating re-basing* whether 32mm becomes the new standard or not. At least all my Marine characters (that are not wearing TDA) will get 32mm bases.

However, I really cannot see them switching all infantry on bigger bases, it would make sense for Marines, Orks and other bulkier models, but would look bloody weird on IG or Tau.

* I'd not rip models from their bases. It shouldn't be too hard to cut a 25mm hole into the 32mm base, and attach the old base inside of it.

I can't see it army wide, however for Jump packers and the like it would make sense to represent their size.

Guess its a case of wait and see.

Herzlos wrote:


My concern is GW is going to try and claim ownership of 32mm bases and try to throw their weight around. I can't see it holding up to scrutiny but nothing else they do, does.

I had the same thought in the BA thread (and got insulted for it, too). I can definitely see GW trying this as some sort of proprietary game element, but I don't see it working in the long run. GW probably thinks the third party base makers won't be able to adapt quickly enough.

 adamsouza wrote:
Also, if you are going to switch to 32mm, just order 3mm x 32mm bases from litko (100 for $24.99)

I don't see 32mm rounds in the pre-made section and custom is 41.99 for 100.

EDIT: Ah, in plywood it's $24.99.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Herzlos wrote:


My concern is GW is going to try and claim ownership of 32mm bases and try to throw their weight around. I can't see it holding up to scrutiny but nothing else they do, does.

I had the same thought in the BA thread (and got insulted for it, too). I can definitely see GW trying this as some sort of proprietary game element, but I don't see it working in the long run. GW probably thinks the third party base makers won't be able to adapt quickly enough.

While GW is not above overreaching when it comes to their IP, they aren't going to claim copyright on what is basically a 32mm wide cylinder.

They might try to get a patent on the rumored snap-fit system but wont' claim copyright on the 32mm shape. That would be too ridiculous and would hardly need to be defended in court.

So anyone currently producing bases of the size of 25mm, 20mm, 40mm, and so on will be able to sell 32mm as well.

-Edit
And as previous posters have pointed out. Litko even sell this size already.

Zywus wrote:
While GW is not above overreaching when it comes to their IP, they aren't going to claim copyright on what is basically a 32mm wide cylinder.

We're talking about the company that tried to claim they owned the generic arrow and chevron shapes. Nuff said. Nothing is beyond GW; the only question is whether they'll actually try it.

 warboss wrote:

Zywus wrote:
While GW is not above overreaching when it comes to their IP, they aren't going to claim copyright on what is basically a 32mm wide cylinder.

We're talking about the company that tried to claim they owned the generic arrow and chevron shapes. Nuff said. Nothing is beyond GW; the only question is whether they'll actually try it.

Assuming those claims were actually made and that's not simply a misunderstanding of the legalese of the chapterhouse case, said claims were presumably summarily rejected by the court.

The reason the chapterhouse case dragged on for a long time and consumed resources were that GW had a case for some of their claims. A copyright claim for a cylinder-shape would need almost no time or resources to refute.

Not being cynical or anything but I doubt GW would change bases size just because today 3rd party companies are developing compatible bases. I mean if you dont want to rebase you can just buy a 32mm disc and glue beneath the 25 bases also any third party company can develop blanks with holes to fit 25mm... etc.

I believe the reason behind this is something to do with rules and also that the miniature scale is increasing more and more...

Personally I always liked more room on the bases to add extra details or even just to fit the more dynamic minis.

Don't see a problem with the change apart from the fact that there seems to be more and more different sizes and shapes, I think it looks better to just have only 2 or 3 sizes\ shapes for your army.

Haha its hard enough to get 200 odd orks on the table with the current base size let alone 32mm.

It just proves to me that GW have no idea what game they want to make. Give players rules for pretty much whole companies but give you massive bases so you can fit fewer dudes on the table??

 warboss wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
It's almost no work for 3rd parties - just cut 8mm off the 40mm bases.

My concern is GW is going to try and claim ownership of 32mm bases and try to throw their weight around. I can't see it holding up to scrutiny but nothing else they do, does.

Also still nothing stopping companies doing 31/33mm bases that are actually 32mm diameter; I've already got 31/32mm bases I used for Malifaux (sold as 30mm but presumably with some shrinkage overcompensated for in the resin).

It doesn't matter if they actually "own" it. It takes 4 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to prove otherwise. GW has proven that they're willing to throw away that type of money to enforce their ludicrous ideas.

I'm going on record now to say that even GW aren't dumb enough to claim ownership of 32mm discs.

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again. They really need to upscale the blasts now. It was silly how few guys were hit with small blasts before, on 32 mil with 2" spacing it makes things worse for even the large blast.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not being cynical or anything but I doubt GW would change bases size just because today 3rd party companies are developing compatible bases..

This is the company that is removing options from codexes that they themselves don't make and have no intention of making just because some other company might do so...

 Breotan wrote:

Zywus wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
You mean I have to re-base all my grots? o.O

Unfortunally yes. While all infantry in general will be required by law to be transferred to 32mm bases, Grots in particular will be required to use the old gorkamorka peanut bases.

No.

NO!

Most of my grots ARE on those bases!

 insaniak wrote:

This is the company that is removing options from codexes that they themselves don't make and have no intention of making just because some other company might do so...

How dare Apple not make all iPhones compatible with DOS and .pdf!?

I guess all the lunatics from the Blood Angel thread needed a thread to yell in to. Good for you guys.

StraightSilver wrote:
It would be a way to screw over loads of 3rd party manufacturers though as I don't think anybody else makes 32mm round specifically (30mm bevelled but not 32mm round).....

It will take 3rd party makers about a week to catch up with 32mm bases, if that is what is needed.

And they will be cheaper.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

This is the company that is removing options from codexes that they themselves don't make and have no intention of making just because some other company might do so...

How dare Apple not make all iPhones compatible with DOS and .pdf!?

Erm...what?

That wouldn't even be a valid rebuttal if it were factually accurate.

Should help Deep Striking 32mm based units. Much easier to strategically place larger based models to avoid mishaps.

 insaniak wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Not being cynical or anything but I doubt GW would change bases size just because today 3rd party companies are developing compatible bases..

This is the company that is removing options from codexes that they themselves don't make and have no intention of making just because some other company might do so...

So basically what you're saying here is that GW are not going to make rules for models that other companies will make? I don't see a problem here.

If indeed the rumor is true…

It's not the third-party custom base makers that GW will be squeezing, it's the makers of plain plastic bases that sell for nickels what GW sells for quarters.. Lots of companies like EM4 have acquired plastic molds to older lines of bases or can order from those who have the molds, but a new mold for bases is expensive.

Note that even as GW has been selling hard plastic non-slotted 25mm slanted side plastic bases for over a decade now, yet there are no other companies making such a base. Why? Because it's expensive to make a new mold.

Resin and metal scenic base companies will be quick to jump in, but -especially if 32mm is only for certain units- if GW makes the switch, then they will likely control the market for 32mm round plastic bases for some time.

When Infinity was changing bases sizes there was fear that they would require them to rebase them. Officially the decision was allowed that existing models currently based and out would not need to be rebased. New models would be coming out with the new base sizes. However Infinity also has a template to use whenever there is a discretion when it comes to base size, miniature pose, etc.

I also could see 3rd party simply making a 32mm base that the current base inserts into. Then developing a new 32mm line if needed.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
It's almost no work for 3rd parties - just cut 8mm off the 40mm bases.

My concern is GW is going to try and claim ownership of 32mm bases and try to throw their weight around. I can't see it holding up to scrutiny but nothing else they do, does.

Also still nothing stopping companies doing 31/33mm bases that are actually 32mm diameter; I've already got 31/32mm bases I used for Malifaux (sold as 30mm but presumably with some shrinkage overcompensated for in the resin).

It doesn't matter if they actually "own" it. It takes 4 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to prove otherwise. GW has proven that they're willing to throw away that type of money to enforce their ludicrous ideas.

I'm going on record now to say that even GW aren't dumb enough to claim ownership of 32mm discs.

I would tend to agree, but the oddly specific choice of 32mm still has me wondering. Why not a more standard 30mm? What line of thought led them to pick 32?

I think everybody needs to calm down a bit. Remember that two more base sizes are being sold as well. They are also going to sell 50mm round bases and 170mm oval bases. I think this suggests that there is more to it than GW just doing this out of spite because of some third party seller. If it was purely done just to mess with companies making 25mm round bases then why bother packaging and selling the other two sizes. They must have an alternative reason for it.

Yup, the reason is, it isn't happening. They are bringing jump infantry/flight bases in line with each other and everyone is losing their minds.