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After necrons, every army will have a hardcover codex and a decent line of unit entries and models. So my question is what can gw do next with 40k. I guess they will start the recycle of codex all over again starting with csm but is there to much point to this?

Now I haven't played for a while and I know gw have never been perfect with there rules but is the game relatively balanced right now. If so could you say apart from future expansions that the core of 40k is complete.

Take a look at the vanilla codex. Its jam packed full of unit entries and to me almost has to much choice in units. Centurions already felt like they were scraping the bottom for ideas so if they update it again. Is there anything else they could possibly add. Unless they just keep making an op new shiny unit so people keep replacing how there army works and older units just become garbage.

Looking at grey knights and possibly necrons when they come out. These armies are already at the stage where they got no new units and just tweaking of rules to bring it in line with the latest edition so how could you grow them?

So dakka what do you think gw will do next? What would you like to see happen to 40k?

In my ideal world they would release the Sisters book and a proper Inquisition codex with Assassins rolled back in.

This would signal the end of the codex era. They would then cycle through Campaign books with new formations and units for the armies involved.

If implemented well (unlikely) They could be used to help up armies which aren't balanced as well.

Everyone wants a scaling back to a skirmish game but I'd like to see more spinoff rules. Planetstrike and Cityfight are nice, but Death World and Spearhead should make a comeback. More of a focus on Altar of War and more dynamic mission styles than 'draw a card and do what it says', which is good and fun, don't get me wrong. But sometimes I want to play an invasion game using a metric crap-ton of forests that become Aztec Ruins defended by Eldar with Eldar objectives that make sense. I hope the varients make their comeback for narrative purposes and with these campaign books, I'm liking where it's headed.

I imagine GW will redo every codex to update them to 7th (what's left after Necrons; IG, Eldar, Tau, DA, and CSM?). Sprinkle one of these campaign things in between every so often. After the cycle is complete, I wouldn't be surprised if a new edition dropped, which would be around summer 2016.

*Edit* And then start the cycle again.

 Eldarain wrote:
In my ideal world they would release the Sisters book and a proper Inquisition codex with Assassins rolled back in.

This would signal the end of the codex era. They would then cycle through Campaign books with new formations and units for the armies involved.

If implemented well (unlikely) They could be used to help up armies which aren't balanced as well.

I would love more campaign/fluff support. I keep hoping they'll bring back campaigns and let the player results dictate some of the fluff.

It's hard to tell. Several options here.
I think GW should make a break before they start recycling the codices.

They could remove a part of the army and make them a separate codex - So we get Necrons and Canoptec. (Like the removal of stormtroopers). Or they could add fancy unique overpowered units, so we get a codex Necron Cube with two units - the necron cube and the necron cube with extra pointy edges.
Of course, they could release another crapton of dataslates for units that were removed out of codices for no good reason, painting tutorials that aren't helpfull, campaign supplements that provide you with another formation of whatever new units will be coocked up next, or they could bring out another digital edition of codex sororitas, just to spite the remaining fans, or they could start pumping out supplements for the most boring subfactions that are still remaining (like supplement ultramarines, supplement cadians, supplement undivided demons..).
There's still so much potential for mischief...

To people hoping the other hardcovers get revamped.. you know they were made with 7th in mind so won't get redone right? It's idiotic if they do... Most people want this cause QQ tau and eldar.. which is dumb

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
To people hoping the other hardcovers get revamped.. you know they were made with 7th in mind so won't get redone right? It's idiotic if they do... Most people want this cause QQ tau and eldar.. which is dumb

I don't think GW would pass up the opportunity to ring $60 more out of their customers by updating the 6th ed codices.

I don't think its quite as idiotic as you think it is, at least not from GW's perspective.

We shall see but from what I heard about some q&a or whatever from gw once the last hardcover is out they will focus on fantasy..

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
We shall see but from what I heard about some q&a or whatever from gw once the last hardcover is out they will focus on fantasy..

I'd be interested in seeing that information.

I wonder when GW will stop worry about this pesky printing buisness and will start to release digital only. It's not like they care about the game, so it's up to you how you bring your stuff to the table.

Everyone seems to forget 40k is not their only game? You're telling me you hope the new second hardback codex comes out for those armies? It's been no time at all that theythey've been released. Let me guess.. hate facing tau and eldar?

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Everyone seems to forget 40k is not their only game?

You're right.

They also have that lesser selling game called, ummm, errr...oh I know this...Fantasy!

I don't think anyone has seriously forgot that. Did you have a point to make with that question?

I just find it funny you're very adament about these codex getting an update, so much so that stating I hope they don't upsets you.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I just find it funny you're very adament about these codex getting an update, so much so that stating I hope they don't upsets you.

I'm not adamant at all.

I don't know where you're getting that from.

If anything, you're being very assertive from the get go, saying it'd be idiotic, which sounds an awful lot more adamant than anything I've ever said.

Maybe you need to tone down your emotional attachment to posts?

There is no emotional attatchment. I stated my opinion was all. I, to be honest, would think it idiotic of gw to make new codex right away. It would be perfect to leave them alone for the new year, giving everyone a time to upgrade their armies to their codex as they please. Every army would have an updated codex and tbh 40k would be very nice at this time with no one feeling they didn't have anything "new" and while I admit gw isn't very smart and probably will update them, my hope is they won't.

Okay, good. I just found it odd how you get defensive and attributed feelings to my posts that aren't there.

Regardless, while there's sense in them not updating the 6th books, its also perfectly logical for them to update them. The C:SM book is from 6th, and that's arguably their best selling book. I'd be a little on the doubtful side if GW didn't tap into that for a cash flow boost.

I do agree and disagree. And it sucks. I really would like, as stated above,for everything to just be 'done' for at least a small amount of time. At the same time I understand some of the codex were written with 6th in mind instead of 7th. I understand wanting those to get updated.

I'm having a really hard time feeling bad for armies with 6th ed codices in 7th when the editions are so similar. This is because of the absolute kick to the balls BA took from 5th to 6th.

BA seem better to me.

I'd like a physical codex for SOB then something that's not codexes for a long time.

I bet they will keep doing more campaign books every six months or so following the similar format with two books and a box. We may see more supplements like the Sentinels of Terra and whatnot. Hopefully more models not tied to a new coded like they did with Tyranids. I would like to see some of the cut characters come back like Vect.

In light of the Tyranid release, it's possible we'll start seeing more out-of-Codex models being released, in a Privateer Press/Forge World sort of fashion. That would be nice.

Hopefully they'll focus on fantasy for awhile. I don't want to see a new eldar or SM codex and 8th edition rushed out the door.

Martel732 wrote:
I'm having a really hard time feeling bad for armies with 6th ed codices in 7th when the editions are so similar. This is because of the absolute kick to the balls BA took from 5th to 6th.

I don't know about rules wise but I'd rather a 6th ed codex to a 7th just for the art. 7th ed codecies are horribly formatted and seem to intentionally be that way in order to pad them out without any real content. I hate the idea tons of pics of the same GW models painted by the same arguably talented people in the same stock standard colours instead of actual, good artwork. Hell the Space Wolves dex showed them all on snow terrain with no snow on their bases, that's just awful.

So yeah, I feel bad for 7th ed armies period.

 Toofast wrote:
Hopefully they'll focus on fantasy for awhile. I don't want to see a new eldar or SM codex and 8th edition rushed out the door.

A new edition would drive people away from 40k.
Fantasy is in desperate need of on update.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
Hopefully they'll focus on fantasy for awhile. I don't want to see a new eldar or SM codex and 8th edition rushed out the door.

A new edition would drive people away from 40k.
Fantasy is in desperate need of on update.

I heard from a source who has been reliable in the past, but I always take with a grain of salt because I don't know who *their* source is -- that WHFB is getting a system similar to 40k. Again, totally unconfirmed. I'm passing it on as pure speculation and rumor, but this fella was right about the factions of Stormclaw/Deathstorm quite a bit before I read it anywhere else in the rumor mill.

Even so, with many WHFB releases no doubt down the line, they aren't going to ignore 40k. It's just too good a cash cow. And with LoTR/Hobbit wrapped up, they're not going to become a one trick pony. I imagine 40k will at least get new models/units, in the same way Tyranids got new stuff. You know, gotta escalate somehow! lol.

Plus, I see wayyyy more 40k games than WHFB. Dunno how it is in other cities, but the stores here generally have a lot more 40k stock on the shelf than WHFB, not to mention games being played.

Edit: maybe they will keep 40k fresh by releasing all small units at new, 2015 prices that reflect the much higher costs to produce the bigger (32mm) infantry bases! (j/k)

Sisters of Battle will probably get a printed codex book soon. Maybe it's even the next codex after the Necron one. With all the attention they got lately - new fluff, missions and lots of artwork - people at GW are working on SOB-related material. There has never been such a large amount of new SOB stuff in the last 10 years. Being cynical we could assume that this was produced over the last decade and just crammed into the Shield of Baal books... But seriously, this is new and non-generic material produced lately for sure

As an example about how an edition without many new army books could be like, check the 5th edition of WFB and the White Dwarf mags at the time. That era saw lots of campaign sets accompanied by plenty of new models replacing older ranges. There was also stuff like the mercenary 'Dogs of War'-armybook which was basically a workbench bringing back lots of units they had in 2nd and 3rd and selling updated models for them. It also brought more 'esoteric' stuff they didn't have a place for after switching to the army book system in 4th

40k 3rd edition had two cycles. Some books like IG and CSM were updated/revisioned. I can see that for 7th as well allthough the Shield of Baal approach with dataslates and formations is what we will probably get now for many armies. I welcome that approach, especially with all the new fluff it brings instead of mostly the same in updated codizes

Warhams-77 wrote:
Sisters of Battle will probably get a printed codex book soon. Maybe it's even the next codex after the Necron one. With all the attention they got lately - new fluff, missions and lots of artwork - people at GW are working on SOB-related material. There has never been such a large amount of new SOB stuff in the last 10 years. Being cynical we could assume that this was produced over the last decade and just crammed into the Shield of Baal books... But seriously, this is new and non-generic material produced lately for sure

As an example about how an edition without many new army books could be like, check the 5th edition of WFB and the White Dwarf mags at the time. That era saw lots of campaign sets accompanied by plenty of new models for older ranges. There was also stuff like the mercenary 'Dogs of War'-armybook which was basically a workbench bringing back lots of units they had in 2nd and 3rd and selling updated models for them and selling more 'esoteric' stuff they didn't have a place for

40k 3rd edition had two cycles. Some books like IG and CSM were updated/revisioned. I can see that for 7th as well allthough the Shield of Baal approach with dataslates and formations is what we will probably get now for many armies. I welcome that approach, especially with all the new fluff it brings instead of mostly the same in updated codizes

Yep, me too. I would rather spend $50 on a campaign or supplement, than on a reprint of a codex where 70%+ of it (and 95% of the fluff) has barely changed at all.

If they did a proper Sisters release, my credit card bill will go through the roof >.<

If they continue book releases for 40k, after Crons get their update, I'd like them to release more campaign books/supplements in general, with the occasional new model releases for the armies. Nothing huge, but enough to sort of pad out the year.

I don't think GW really NEEDS to have any huge 40k releases next year. Give us time to sort of settle down with what we have, let the meta unfold some more while giving us a few treats here and there to chew on.

Though, I can't lie. I agree with a lot of people that I'd love Sisters to come back with some plastic kits. When I first got into 40k, I wanted to play them. But their cost in metal was far too much for me to justify spending on an army that wasn't well backed by the company. So now I'm in love with da Orks... (Still want Klans supplement though...)