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2016/05/04 14:41:12
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I've made my opinions of Trump clear many a time, but as a foreigner observer, I would caution Americans on one issue, which is this:
Trump will say and do anything to win the keys to the White House...
And that can often lead to big problems in the future. Two examples.
1) Our Prime Minister, David Cameron, is doing everything he can to win the EU referendum, even taking actions that will destroy the Conservative party for years to come. His short term actions are storing up long term problems for the Conservatives, but what does he care, he's gone in a year or two.
2) Scottish independence referendum 2014. The IN camp pulled every dirty in the book to win. And months later, the political parties in Scotland that backed IN faced near extinction at the election last year, with the pro-independent SNP winning nearly every seat at the General Election (federal level) and tomorrow, they will win by a landslide in Scotland's version of the states election.
Why didn't you vote for us? They wailed.
Well, you called me a Nazi for backing independence, threatened to block us if we wanted to join NATO/EU/ Any other international body, smeared us at every opportunity, and told people that sick children wouldn't be treated at English hospitals...should Scotland go independent...
and you wonder why we don't vote for you!
The point is that Trump, should he win, won't be able to call on the nation to back him, especially if he's slandered the people that didn't vote for him. People remember these things. His enemies in the Republican party will remember...
Long term, things may become grim for the GOP and the USA may be polarised on a level not seen since the 1960s.
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2016/05/04 14:42:00
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Thats part of it. The real part is this, adn the same reason the only person on the planet old and crotchety enough as me gave HRC a hard run.
*People are hurting in this country. Our economy is turning into a South American one with lots and lots of lower class, and a very small elite. The supposed recovery did nothing but accelerate that. Both parties dither and dither, very content in how things are working-because the people that run them are the elites benefiting from it.
If the parties had worked to deal with this, or at least try to ameliorate the change, these guys would never have made it through the door.
HRC should not underestimate that anger. She represents "The Same." People are tired of the same.
For the same reasons the 30s brought Fascism and Communism through Europe, and semi dictatorship here under FDR, Trump/Sanders gained power.
This pretty much sums it up Frazz. People aren't just tired of the same, they want someone they know who will aggressively fight "The Same". However, I am not sure that these groups have a unified vision on what 'The Change" should look like, hence the division between Bernie and Trump. Lefties who want change want more Socialism, while Righties who want change want the 1950s again. The only thing they agree on is that "The Same" doesn;t cut it.
However, it is this difference in "The Change" 's desired outcomes that will essentially mean that "The Same" will triumph yet again.
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2016/05/04 14:45:52
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
After Sanders quits/loses, Trump should make him his running mate.
Throw everyone for a loop. Both changes in one place!
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2016/05/04 15:21:15
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I think the long con might have just finally caught up with the GOP.
For decades the Republican Party has managed to trick people into voting against their own best interest. Poor, common, everyday people have been voting for the party that is in favor of cutting benefits and services to the poor, common, everyday people while at the same time making live easier for job creators, business owners, and the elite.
But the poor, common, everyday people didn't see themselves ad poor, common, everyday people because the GOP has been telling them that they are just elite job creators that haven't made it big yet. The GOP is like a pyramid scheme, and the people have had enough.
2016/05/04 15:22:31
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
People keep saying 'Trump Will say anything to get in the White House', you mean just like every other Presidential we've had in my lifetime?
How many issues has BHO done a 180 on? HRC just got confronted by coal miners about her comments wanting to shut their industry down and she is desperately trying to walk that back.
They all 'will say anything' to get votes.
America is doomed regardless who our next President is
It is only a choice of who gets blamed for the downfall.
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2016/05/04 15:44:40
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
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2016/05/04 15:59:04
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Obama has been pretty consistent regarding what he wanted to accomplish in his terms- the majority of "about-faces" on issues has been more the result of his desires being untenable due to the national/global political climate (Obamacare, closing Gitmo etc) then an actual change of heart.
The proof in the pudding regarding people like Trump is that they can't even keep their stances consistent through the election. I'm still somewhat convinced Trump is a Democrat plant, purely because some of the stances he's taken during this election are radically at odds with beliefs he's expressed before. It really does feel like he's playing Conservatives like a fiddle.
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2016/05/04 16:04:40
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Is it that simple? That Trump's rise is simply a candidate that the voters recognized that he'll fight "dirty"?
IME it runs deeper than that. The Republican voters have rejected the traditional Republican platform. The Republican Party is sure to adapt or jettison those old positions to fall in line with their voters, as evidenced by the coalescion currently underway around Trump as the nominee.
Best thing for traditional conservatives to do now is start a third party to represent their interests, because they've lost the GOP Civil War, and they lost it badly.
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2016/05/04 16:19:47
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Dreadwinter wrote: Holy crap, this is getting really depressing fast.....
Meh...almost every poll has Clinton beating Trump by double digits. And the demographics haven't really changed. The Republicans still need to make improvements with Latinos and women in order to win, and the hand may already be dealt for Trump with those voting blocks, particularly Latinos.
As far as women go, it's hard to see this unfolding in any other way than months and months of Trump publicly denigrating an accomplished woman, so I don't see his low polling numbers with women improving.
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2016/05/04 16:33:11
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I think with the dropouts, we are entering a period of major decline for the GOP. Sad, because there are a lot of conservative ideals that I support, but in the whole I'm glad it is happening.
Not because it is 'beating' them or out of any particular love for HRC, but because I hope this serves as a motivation for the GOP to get introspective and pull itself out of the political mess it has made over the past 15 or so years.
curran12 wrote: I think with the dropouts, we are entering a period of major decline for the GOP. Sad, because there are a lot of conservative ideals that I support, but in the whole I'm glad it is happening.
Not because it is 'beating' them or out of any particular love for HRC, but because I hope this serves as a motivation for the GOP to get introspective and pull itself out of the political mess it has made over the past 15 or so years.
Anybody want to bet that they'll go with the "Our candidates weren't conservative enough to beat Trump so we need to go even more conservative!" route instead?
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2016/05/04 16:43:14
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
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2016/05/04 16:44:46
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
curran12 wrote: I think with the dropouts, we are entering a period of major decline for the GOP. Sad, because there are a lot of conservative ideals that I support, but in the whole I'm glad it is happening.
Not because it is 'beating' them or out of any particular love for HRC, but because I hope this serves as a motivation for the GOP to get introspective and pull itself out of the political mess it has made over the past 15 or so years.
Anybody want to bet that they'll go with the "Our candidates weren't conservative enough to beat Trump so we need to go even more conservative!" route instead?
The partyisn't conservative.
But, the salient point is that the GOP platform needs serious re-jiggering. And no, that doesn't necessarily means "be more liberal".
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2016/05/04 16:45:31
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
All I can say is: It's about time for John K to drop out (not that I support Donald Trump, which I don't, I support Bernie)
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2016/05/04 17:02:25
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
It's totally possible.
Sanders would do well to try and convince those disenchanted with HRC and Trump to vote for him if he continued as a third party candidate.
News flash, Sanders IS a third party candidate. He's a Socialist, not a Democrat.
And HRC is a Republican, not a Democrat.
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2016/05/04 17:02:53
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
All I can say is: It's about time for John K to drop out (not that I support Donald Trump, which I don't, I support Bernie)
It's time for Bernie to drop out, as well. It's practically impossible that he will get nominated, yet he's leading his supporters on that he still has a chance...and presumably still accepting their money.
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2016/05/04 17:04:48
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Ustrello wrote: Yeah he needs to start campaigning for her to help fuse the party together so it will be a much easier win.
Either that or start campaigning exclusively against Trump, instead of against both Clinton and Trump.
Sanders would be a valuable ally for Clinton, and I wonder if he's trying to develop some kind of mandate to try and demand the VP slot from Clinton....just a thought. A Clinton/Sanders ticket would ruin Trumps slim chances, because those young voters who would otherwise consider Trump when Sanders gets beat would still have a reason to vote Democrat instead of go Trump or stay at home.
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2016/05/04 17:15:49
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Ustrello wrote: Yeah he needs to start campaigning for her to help fuse the party together so it will be a much easier win.
Either that or start campaigning exclusively against Trump, instead of against both Clinton and Trump.
Sanders would be a valuable ally for Clinton, and I wonder if he's trying to develop some kind of mandate to try and demand the VP slot from Clinton....just a thought. A Clinton/Sanders ticket would ruin Trumps slim chances, because those young voters who would otherwise consider Trump when Sanders gets beat would still have a reason to vote Democrat instead of go Trump or stay at home.
Why would he want the VP slot? He'd have less influence as VP as he would as a Senator. If Hillary wins she's going to run for re-election so Bernie would be putting off another run for the White House until 2024. As a sitting Senator he'd have distance from the Clinton administration and be able to run again in 2020. VP slots should be used balance the ticket with either an elder statesment or young politician with a promising future. The VP slot is the death of near future PotUS aspirations.
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2016/05/04 17:18:15
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Ustrello wrote: Yeah he needs to start campaigning for her to help fuse the party together so it will be a much easier win.
Either that or start campaigning exclusively against Trump, instead of against both Clinton and Trump.
Sanders would be a valuable ally for Clinton, and I wonder if he's trying to develop some kind of mandate to try and demand the VP slot from Clinton....just a thought. A Clinton/Sanders ticket would ruin Trumps slim chances, because those young voters who would otherwise consider Trump when Sanders gets beat would still have a reason to vote Democrat instead of go Trump or stay at home.
Why would he want the VP slot? He'd have less influence as VP as he would as a Senator. If Hillary wins she's going to run for re-election so Bernie would be putting off another run for the White House until 2024. As a sitting Senator he'd have distance from the Clinton administration and be able to run again in 2020. VP slots should be used balance the ticket with either an elder statesment or young politician with a promising future. The VP slot is the death of near future PotUS aspirations.
It was just a thought. I acknowledge that Clinton needs Sanders more than Sanders needs Clinton. I guess I'm just speculating as to reasons why he might be staying in when it's crystal clear that he's going to lose.
2016/05/04 17:20:03
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
curran12 wrote: I think with the dropouts, we are entering a period of major decline for the GOP. Sad, because there are a lot of conservative ideals that I support, but in the whole I'm glad it is happening.
Not because it is 'beating' them or out of any particular love for HRC, but because I hope this serves as a motivation for the GOP to get introspective and pull itself out of the political mess it has made over the past 15 or so years.
Anybody want to bet that they'll go with the "Our candidates weren't conservative enough to beat Trump so we need to go even more conservative!" route instead?
The partyisn't conservative.
But, the salient point is that the GOP platform needs serious re-jiggering. And no, that doesn't necessarily means "be more liberal".
Agreed, they don't need to " be more liberal ". I would argue that if the GOP really wants to survive and thrive, they need to be less religious. Go back to being the party that championed science and gave us NASA, and stop being the party that relies on an invisible man in the sky for explaining everything. Stop trying to be godly and work on just being good.
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2016/05/04 17:21:02
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
It's totally possible.
Sanders would do well to try and convince those disenchanted with HRC and Trump to vote for him if he continued as a third party candidate.
News flash, Sanders IS a third party candidate. He's a Socialist, not a Democrat.
And HRC is a Republican, not a Democrat.
You need to reverse that yo.
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2016/05/04 17:26:04
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
