Grimtuff wrote:
I'm not seeing any splits on the shoulder pads on any of those images.

The Sigmarine ones go right down the middle.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 wana10 wrote:


Just a little instruction image from /tg/

BAD! VERY BAD KIT! I mean shoulder pads split in half? attached arms to torso... a huge step back in plastic kits sprues.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Darnok just said that they will be no 40k release till october. So we should get a lot of kits for AoS ina very short span.

There is a a lot of stuff backed up ready for release. Did you mean weeks or months?

I would expect to see nothing but more Humans and Chaos stuff for a couple of months along with a bunch of terrain (so folks can build 'new look' tables) and then the Skaven stuff to hit.

 Vermis wrote:
Bye, Monders.

lord_blackfang wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
We'll stop now for a rest. Do you understand what I've been saying?

Yes, you are saying that two things are exactly the same if you can use the same adjectives to loosely describe them

Obviously you don't understand what I've been saying. But yes, we'll stop now.

Bottle wrote:
The point you make about people liking Fantasy for it being the average human against insurmountable demonic odds is only relavent for Empire players.

I am an Empire player.

If you're going to bring up how different the design is of these new models compared to stuff 30 years old (is that how old Realm of Chaos is? I dunno), then your problem is not with AoS but where Fantasy has been for years and years. The previous marauders were also tanked on steroids.

The point I was making if you compare the Chaos of AoS to the Chaos of 8th and you were a fan of the Chaos of 8th. What's not to like about the AoS Chaos? They look awesome and every sculpt is packed with energy and movement. GW have done a great job :-)

You don't understand either. Even things like high elves and dwarfs are basically skinny mixups of hittites, egyptians, persians etc. and short comedy vikings, applied to the usual nordic/Tolkien archetypes. They're a bit special, a bit leet in their way, a different shape, but still basically 'people'. (A joke I heard with the release of D&D 4th ed, which introduced tieflings as PCs, was that elf PCs just weren't speshul enough anymore) Then you apply the fantasy veneer of wizards, a few monsters, and a couple of wacky war machines. Just like the Empire, just like most of the others.

Yes, marauders were beefy. They were beefy when I discovered WFB during 6th ed. It doesn't invalidate my point. In fact it reinforces my point that WFB was slowly building to the OTT style. Chaos thugs and marauders before that were often chunky, but not nearly like the giant Schwarzenegger plastics. Ditto with orcs. And while those were around, plenty of other races still stayed relatively petite - scale-hiccup ham-hands nonwithstanding. (In fact, I'll point at scale creep too. I started a lizardmen army during 6th ed and was peeved to see the then-new, bigger, subhorizontal saurus could barely rank up on even 25mm bases.) But in the last few years the boost in plastic production capability has led to things that leave the plastic marauders and Brian Nelson orcs in the dust. Everyone gets more monsters, and bigger ones. The age of monstrous cavalry arrived. More and more wacky war machines, and bigger ones. Vaguely A6-sized bases abound. The rules followed suit and the basic infantry became a footnote until they were given the twin sticking-plasters of 'horde' and 'steadfast'. From what I hear even that meta shifted back to mo' monsters, mo' monsters, mo' monsters towards the end. And that was so successful that they had to wipe Warhammer clean and start again.

But not before they offered up another clatter of giant monsters and kits, which some went nuts for and others went 'pff, really?' That included the marauder-dwarfing khorne boys that, yeah, look fairly similar to the khorne faction in these leaks. All steroidz and spikez and gnarly weaponz and khorney themes. You're right, Bottle, if you're a current Chaos fan you've certainly got more of the same to look forward to. (but someone will be along in a minute to argue that one bare-chested uber-muscled model covered in khorne imagery has nothing at all to do with another bare-chested uber-muscled model covered in khorne imagery)
But here's the thing, Bottle. Here's what you and others can't seem to grasp. Some Chaos fans don't want more of the same. Some WFB fans don't want more of the same. More of the same, but more so. More of the same, doubled down. More of the same OTT. But that's what GW is giving them with this. And some do want more of the same, but with more of the same big battle WFB. But that's not what GW is giving them with this.

For many people it's not just a matter of gazing at some glittery object, then dropping it in the mud to reach out for the next glittery object. GW can't just release any old thing and expect all the sheep (their word) to buy it unquestioned. That's what's got them into bother in the first place: it's not that 'haters gonna hate', or fans gonna moan, or that you can't please all of the people all of the time; it's that GW doesn't really care if it pleases anyone or not, 'cos it thinks they'll buy anyway. That's why the Warhammer World was burnt to a cinder and a new ruleset released, rather than just dialling back on a few things. That's why all these terrible alternative games that have the effrontery to exist are gaining traction and weaseling into discussions about dissatisfaction with GW.
Will AoS save FB? I dunno. Maybe. It is only two photos so far, the model-count buy-in did need to be cut, and a lot of people are looking positively on it. Maybe it'll be a resounding success.

But Bottle, not every genuine Warhammer fan will like it. And that's okay.

Sad Panda wrote:

 wana10 wrote:


Just a little instruction image from /tg/

Free miniature with the White Dwarf.

 Bottle wrote:

I have no idea what your point is this time vermis. Sorry!

Originally Posted by Some Birdy

Concerning models:

humans much larger in scale than standard WHFB humans
not just more bulky and differently proportioned, but I mean the models themselves stand taller, they're just a different scale as WHFB humans (each about the size of a Terminator)
about the model compatibility, and they just went like "yeah well if someone really wants to use their old armies they can, but we didn't intend the new models and old models to be compatible, we think larger models are the way forward, blah blah"

Concerning rules:

it's really for small battles and not as deep and strategic like LOTR was
very simplified, seems intended for short quick beer & pretzel games, lots of random and little strategy
no way you can use it for existing warhammer armies, so with the scale difference and incompatible rules I don't think there's any point in rebasing your existing collection
'post it note' size of the rulebook is pretty much accurate
very much revolves around your commander, which has elaborate special rules
rest of the squads feels much as filler for the commanders to smash up and feel good about
no info yet about anything planned for really large-scale battles

This box set is not the full deal though. There will be a "big rulebook" coming shortly afterwards. That one should cover larger battles, I have yet to hear anything definite on it though (unless I missed something ).

 silent25 wrote:
Some more news via Darnok over at warseer. Probably skipping the box based on this.

Originally Posted by Some Birdy

Concerning models:

humans much larger in scale than standard WHFB humans
not just more bulky and differently proportioned, but I mean the models themselves stand taller, they're just a different scale as WHFB humans (each about the size of a Terminator)
about the model compatibility, and they just went like "yeah well if someone really wants to use their old armies they can, but we didn't intend the new models and old models to be compatible, we think larger models are the way forward, blah blah"

Concerning rules:

it's really for small battles and not as deep and strategic like LOTR was
very simplified, seems intended for short quick beer & pretzel games, lots of random and little strategy
no way you can use it for existing warhammer armies, so with the scale difference and incompatible rules I don't think there's any point in rebasing your existing collection
'post it note' size of the rulebook is pretty much accurate
very much revolves around your commander, which has elaborate special rules
rest of the squads feels much as filler for the commanders to smash up and feel good about
no info yet about anything planned for really large-scale battles

Additionally:

This box set is not the full deal though. There will be a "big rulebook" coming shortly afterwards. That one should cover larger battles, I have yet to hear anything definite on it though (unless I missed something ).

 silent25 wrote:
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TzeentchNet wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

I have no idea what your point is this time vermis. Sorry!

We all thank you for quoting that wall of text just so you could drop a vapid non-answer.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 silent25 wrote:
Some more news via Darnok over at warseer. Probably skipping the box based on this.

Originally Posted by Some Birdy

Concerning models:

humans much larger in scale than standard WHFB humans
not just more bulky and differently proportioned, but I mean the models themselves stand taller, they're just a different scale as WHFB humans (each about the size of a Terminator)
about the model compatibility, and they just went like "yeah well if someone really wants to use their old armies they can, but we didn't intend the new models and old models to be compatible, we think larger models are the way forward, blah blah"

Concerning rules:

it's really for small battles and not as deep and strategic like LOTR was
very simplified, seems intended for short quick beer & pretzel games, lots of random and little strategy
no way you can use it for existing warhammer armies, so with the scale difference and incompatible rules I don't think there's any point in rebasing your existing collection
'post it note' size of the rulebook is pretty much accurate
very much revolves around your commander, which has elaborate special rules
rest of the squads feels much as filler for the commanders to smash up and feel good about
no info yet about anything planned for really large-scale battles

Additionally:

This box set is not the full deal though. There will be a "big rulebook" coming shortly afterwards. That one should cover larger battles, I have yet to hear anything definite on it though (unless I missed something ).

That sounds awful.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Have you guys even bought a GW kit produced in the past 5 years? Even on a flat surface a crack is a non-issue.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Rehosted the twitter pics





Glad to hear the shields are seperate, GK/Custodius/Sigmarites here I come.

Or not given how little modeling I do these days.

MWHistorian wrote:That sounds awful.

Flashman wrote:Yeah, Bottle got an exalt from me there.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
All the books are now off the GW websites....so if you want a 8th edition army book its too late unless you get it from one of your flgs or online (deals might be coming then!)

Picked up Dwarfs for 50% off already. Sadly, they were out of O&G. And even sadder, Skaven don't even have an up to date (hardback) army book, and now they never will. That is the true crime of Age of Sigmar.

Vermis wrote:Ugh. And yet I'm the one who gets modded.

Work with me here, Bottle. I'm trying to be nice. Can you understand that some people don't like the changing look of Warhammer, especially with AoS?

silent25 wrote:Some more news via Darnok over at warseer. Probably skipping the box based on this.

Originally Posted by Some Birdy

Concerning models:

humans much larger in scale than standard WHFB humans
not just more bulky and differently proportioned, but I mean the models themselves stand taller, they're just a different scale as WHFB humans (each about the size of a Terminator)
about the model compatibility, and they just went like "yeah well if someone really wants to use their old armies they can, but we didn't intend the new models and old models to be compatible, we think larger models are the way forward, blah blah"

Concerning rules:

it's really for small battles and not as deep and strategic like LOTR was
very simplified, seems intended for short quick beer & pretzel games, lots of random and little strategy
no way you can use it for existing warhammer armies, so with the scale difference and incompatible rules I don't think there's any point in rebasing your existing collection
'post it note' size of the rulebook is pretty much accurate
very much revolves around your commander, which has elaborate special rules
rest of the squads feels much as filler for the commanders to smash up and feel good about
no info yet about anything planned for really large-scale battles

Additionally:

This box set is not the full deal though. There will be a "big rulebook" coming shortly afterwards. That one should cover larger battles, I have yet to hear anything definite on it though (unless I missed something ).

 Bottle wrote:


Sounds really bad. I change my mind about buying the AoS boxset almost every day. The thing as well is how fast the stuff is released I know the fullbook will be out before I have even finished my first 10 Sigmarines. Should I just wait for that instead and spend the left over money on some smaller kits?

At least the leeks leaks are coming through thick and fast now!

 Vermis wrote:


It's not difficult. I'm not criticising the minis, or the new game (well, not yet), or people who like them; but there have been some snide remarks and criticisms of people who don't like them or think it's all too 40Kish, and want something else - as if it's somehow wrong-headed or not allowed. That's just not getting a free pass.