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Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
People watch the movies, which are more accessible, and wanna play what they've just watched. Its not going to be forgotten.

Funny how the game was all but forgotten (in GW's eyes anyway) after people 'just watched' the third movie. Though the book had managed to remain popular for half a century before that and even managed to spawn it's own merchandise at times, including games and miniatures. (And a movie trilogy)

As good as the rules and minis might be, I'm not altogether sorry about GW's LotR bubble bursting. I think it gives more gaming groups the opportunity to pick and choose to (re)start some little LotR scene, without necessarily being tied to the 'official' New Line/PJ interpretation, as viewed through the lens of GW. Fair enough if they do choose that latter option; but me, I think that lot of uruk-hai berzerkers I gathered (as non-book-canonical as they are ) would slot nicely into a 12-man fierce foot unit for Lion Rampant. Thinking about it, could be time to order some of those goths too.

I gotta say I'm wary of the idea of HBO or any cable company touching M-E with the current penchant for grimdark drama, which got old fast IMO. They even managed to dirty ASoIaF up some more, which was an astounding feat but not one keeping me glued to my screen; and PJ already managed to muck up some pretty deliberate themes and characterisations with his family-friendly version, as it is. Like JMurph said:

jmurph wrote:Whether the lack of gore and sex would keep a wider audience, I have no idea. I suspect it would be fine so long as storylines and characters are developed well and the pace doesn't get too slow (this seems to be a recurring problem with extended series). Sex and gore are generally filler for lack of real content anyway.

 Trondheim wrote:
Why would anyone copy something as dull as the LOTR series, for all its faults GoT makes the LOTR books come across as toiletpaper grade material with incompetent good & bad guys. And beside good luck with your venture, why would anyone spit up gods knows how much for the chance to just make a remake of the three first movies.

It's no small wonder you aren't a fan. Tolkien can be a challenging enough read for someone who can understand and write the English language...

In addition to that, if you think LotR is too long and boring, with extraneous material shoehorned in (songs and such), how are ye faring with book seven of the different viewpoints of a couple dozen protagonists spinning their wheels, with no end in sight?
And competence? I can't actually think of anyone in ASoIaF who's achieved anything lasting, backed the right horse two or three times in a row, didn't end up dead or in deep gak, etc. Isn't the big talking point about the first book how the main protagonist, almost the only 'good guy'



And this is coming from someone who quite enjoyed the ASoIaF books up 'til the present time. In fact I have ideas about shoving some westerosi into Lion/Dragon Rampant too, courtesy of the Perry brothers. (If they would ever release those plastic French...)

I dont play for a few reasons.

1- models are not appealing
2- it feels like you are playing scenarios where as wfb and wh40k feel more like any battle
3- something about LOTR already existing as a real thing/movie/book turns me off. cant' place my finger on it exactly

eosgreen wrote:
3- something about LOTR already existing as a real thing/movie/book turns me off. cant' place my finger on it exactly

Probably because it's weird to have Aragorn or Theoden die during the siege of the Hornburg. Or Gandalf the White to die atop the walls of Minas Tirith. Or to have Boromir fighting during either of those battles. "what if?" scenarios are cool and all, but in some cases it's tougher to look past the lore and suspend the disbelief. I know many people who dislike using named Heroes for this very reason.

 Trondheim wrote:
Why would anyone copy something as dull as the LOTR series, for all its faults GoT makes the LOTR books come across as toiletpaper grade material with incompetent good & bad guys.

This is all very subjective. Personally, I love LOTR and have read the whole series multiple times. On the other hand, I could not even force myself to finish the first GoT book. I thought it was so bad I chucked it in the trash before I was half way though it.

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:
Why would anyone copy something as dull as the LOTR series, for all its faults GoT makes the LOTR books come across as toiletpaper grade material with incompetent good & bad guys. And beside good luck with your venture, why would anyone spit up gods knows how much for the chance to just make a remake of the three first movies.

It's no small wonder you aren't a fan. Tolkien can be a challenging enough read for someone who can understand and write the English language...

Never said I read it in English, and why yes. I know my English is not superb, but then again its not my native tounge either

I actually have a fair number of the GW LotR minis squirreled away, waiting their turn patiently for some paint. Unfortunately, my backlog of 40k stuff is way too deep for me to even think about taking time to do them. Also, no one in my area (that I know of) actually plays the game, so when I do them, it will very likely just be for display or something.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I actually have a fair number of the GW LotR minis squirreled away, waiting their turn patiently for some paint. Unfortunately, my backlog of 40k stuff is way too deep for me to even think about taking time to do them. Also, no one in my area (that I know of) actually plays the game, so when I do them, it will very likely just be for display or something.

The fact that no one plays the actual game any more was the primary reason I began to use them for actual armies, rather than skirmishing forces.

I still have about a dozen to two of each faction individually based, but the vast majority now are either already based on a 30mm WRG Standard for Mass Combat games, or they are waiting to be based.

MB

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I actually have a fair number of the GW LotR minis squirreled away, waiting their turn patiently for some paint. Unfortunately, my backlog of 40k stuff is way too deep for me to even think about taking time to do them. Also, no one in my area (that I know of) actually plays the game, so when I do them, it will very likely just be for display or something.

I've actually packed away my 40K and WFB miniatures in order to concentrate on painting my LOTR collection. To be honest, I've been drifting away from GW's two main games for a while now, and AoS was just the final straw foir me. Despite their lack of support and (IMO) mishandling of the line the last few years, I still think the SBG is one of the best things GW ever made, and I love the movie miniatures.

I too share your problem with a lack of local interest, but these days I'm probably more a collector than a gamer, so it does not matter as much as it would have in the past.

I think in the early days and even a bit after the return of the king, SBG did very well and was popular enough. GW would have gained a number of ME fans and fans of the movies along with traditional gamers themselves. Given the nature of the books and what is already written I also think that the games life was always limited in that department. We can of course continue playing and many of us will long after there is not a GW SBG mini left, LOTR tabletop has existed before GW even branched into it or the movies.

The price increases with WOTR did not help matters or the even more obscene hobbit prices, GW switching to failcrap and outright losing many of the sbg range when metal sold out only contributed to this. They should have kept some metal around while the license existed and gone direct only, instead they are simply letting all their stock run out and all that will be left is the hobbit which is really not all that much for long term games.

You could kinda use some of the current hobbit stuff for mirkwood and durins folk and other region dwarves, but the rest of it is of very limited use. I guess some of the orcs can be used to replaced the ugly wolves from the first 3 movies.