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2015/10/24 02:18:01
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Well it's about time to get one of these rolling now with most of the codex spoiled.
So what are the early thoughts rolling around in people's minds? Personally I can't wait to run the optimised stealth Cadre. Finally get some use out of the 16 stealth suits I have.
Feel free to share your ideas!
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2015/10/24 16:50:41
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Human Auxiliary to the Empire
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The Hunter Contingent is unfair quite frankly, I won't be using that one against friends.
The Kroot/vespid one looks interesting, not sure what Obscured (forests) means though.
The stealth thing looks ok, but I wish they would allow fusion blasters on each stealth suit...
Honestly I'm pretty excited I can use double cylic ion blasters on crisis suits.
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2015/10/24 17:04:38
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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The kroot/vespid one will be benefit for when I feel like being crazy and play in vespid.
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2015/10/24 17:30:24
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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I'm planning on taking a breacher team in a devilfish with darkstrider with a couple of stealth teams on either side of the board with positional relays.
Ouflank on a side of your choice, fish moves 6", disembark 6", if your in a hunter cadre run D6", then you should be within 5" and able to unload your S6 AP3 shots instant deathing T4 models because of darkstrider, then the opponent charges you and you overwatch and retreat D6" before the opponent charges. A little pricey but should hit hard and be a pain to handle.
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2015/10/24 18:57:57
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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That's a good idea. Pricey yes, but if you pull it off you'll devastate units of Marines.
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2015/10/24 19:12:31
Subject: Re:For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Darkstrider might become real popular in general if the Structural Analyzer is unchanged and the Hunter Contingent "fire as one unit" ability works as described by the leaks we've seen.
Even a fully kitted wolf star won't want to face down a whole Tau gunlines' worth of shooting when they're sharing Markerlights and everything is at -1T
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2015/10/24 20:39:59
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Stealthy Kroot Stalker
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The most recent clarifications I'm aware of suggest that you need to be within 12" of the Commander to be able to Run then Shoot through the Hunter Cadre special rules.
On the plus side of that clarification, Vehicles were not left out in the extra mobility: Vehicles within 12" can Flat Out then Shoot.
That means that Hunter Cadre Hammerhead squadrons that end their move within 12" of the Commander are mobile again.
Neat.
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2015/10/24 23:48:43
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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Hawkeye888 wrote:The kroot/vespid one will be benefit for when I feel like being crazy and play in vespid.
I own 27 Stingwings. I will be using them.
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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2015/10/25 00:10:40
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Jancoran wrote: Hawkeye888 wrote:The kroot/vespid one will be benefit for when I feel like being crazy and play in vespid.
I own 27 Stingwings. I will be using them.
You get some my friend.
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2015/10/25 00:41:27
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Tunneling Trygon
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Yeah the stealth cadre is nuts. I think you can fit two in an 1850 without being too unbalanced (and that is literally how I wanted to play Tau even before these formations came out). I'm also anticipating having a good time with breacher squads getting all up in people's faces.
The loss of obsec (especially if you want to bring along transport toys) isn't nothing, and people keep forgetting about that each time a decurion-style detachment comes out. I still field Necron and Eldar CADs because they are just superior (IMO) with obsec. Of course, if you can field 4 Wraithknights, maybe not so much, but with a 0-1 limit on LOW squads, I think it's pretty reasonable.
I think you'll also see a lot of the stealth cadre with TauDar/other allies. It's that good.
What I wonder is if markerlights will become more or less necessary. With +1 BS for the stealth cadre, as well as full squads of broadsides and riptides, as well as buffmander giving everyone all the special rules (TL, ignores cover, etc) and being able to share markerlights if you're shooting at the same unit, I feel like you can get away with a good amount less.
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2015/10/25 01:34:29
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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luke1705 wrote:Yeah the stealth cadre is nuts. I think you can fit two in an 1850 without being too unbalanced (and that is literally how I wanted to play Tau even before these formations came out). I'm also anticipating having a good time with breacher squads getting all up in people's faces.
The loss of obsec (especially if you want to bring along transport toys) isn't nothing, and people keep forgetting about that each time a decurion-style detachment comes out. I still field Necron and Eldar CADs because they are just superior ( IMO) with obsec. Of course, if you can field 4 Wraithknights, maybe not so much, but with a 0-1 limit on LOW squads, I think it's pretty reasonable.
I think you'll also see a lot of the stealth cadre with TauDar/other allies. It's that good.
What I wonder is if markerlights will become more or less necessary. With +1 BS for the stealth cadre, as well as full squads of broadsides and riptides, as well as buffmander giving everyone all the special rules ( TL, ignores cover, etc) and being able to share markerlights if you're shooting at the same unit, I feel like you can get away with a good amount less.
Which is a good thing considering there is still not a reliable method of marker lights. Pathfinders die immediately. Tetras are ok, but are FW, cost more $, and also die very quickly. Skyrays are sturdy, but cost a lot of points for 2 marker lights.
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2015/10/25 01:37:56
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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I disagree. The Marker drones with Buffmander are awesome and the Sniper Drone Teams with Marksmen are equally worthy. Pathfinders are my assassins, not my markerlights.
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2015/10/25 02:18:38
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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Except with the new codex, marker drones are wasted with buffmander because those marker lights will not affect any other units that shoot along with the buffmanders squad via the hunters contingent rules
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2015/10/25 02:23:53
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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Obviously this is using the current rules.
Explain. The intent would not be to have the commander fire anything nor to fire WITH anyone. So... I don't see your point. Yet.
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2015/10/25 02:41:21
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
I wanna go back to New Jersey
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Hawkeye888 wrote:The kroot/vespid one will be benefit for when I feel like being crazy and play in vespid.
I really can't wait to try out Outflanking Vespid with the board corner Positional Relay gimmick to see if I don't need to invest in deep striking suits or that one random warlord trait to give my Kroot blobs some immediate anti Heavy Infantry support.
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2015/10/25 03:00:08
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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Jancoran wrote:Obviously this is using the current rules.
Explain. The intent would not be to have the commander fire anything nor to fire WITH anyone. So... I don't see your point. Yet.
With the new codex, inside a Hunter Contingent, if 2+ units combine their fire to shoot against a target, they combine their special rules regarding shooting as well. So Monster Hunter, Ignores Cover, re-roll to hit (not Twin-Linked), etc. Also, they share markerlight usage - both enjoy the +1BS/ ML, instead of needing to spend one for each unit.
Meaning that, if Buffmander and other unit (which he's not joined to) targets a enemy unit, this unit gets his bonuses. As they share markerlights, it's not a good idea to have ML-sources fire MLs at an enemy the same time other units are combining fire with them. Unless yo'ure using Remoras/Sky Rays for marking, let your ML sources fire first, and only then start combining fire.
In the end, this means that Buffmander isn't the best Mark'O anymore; a separate commander (you can easily have 3 in a Hunter Contingent) should be doing that.
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Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
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2015/10/25 03:17:18
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Jervis Johnson
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So, have all the 'Tau suck now, screw GW' guys apologized for their ridiculous and premature threads and posts?
The Tau formations seem extremely powerful. Other changes are great too. In fact Tau look very good.
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2015/10/25 04:35:21
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Therion wrote:So, have all the 'Tau suck now, screw GW' guys apologized for their ridiculous and premature threads and posts?
The Tau formations seem extremely powerful. Other changes are great too. In fact Tau look very good.
There was one guy who thought Tau were going to suck... he's gone now.
Tau have mostly the same rules, but there are plenty of additions that change things up in a good way. Honestly, I like the changes. If I were to sustain brain damage and forget that I hate GW as a company, I would definitely buy some Tau stuff.
Also, apparently the Stormsurge is a very good unit. Very capable of taking out entire units on its own - as long as you use the pulse driver. The blastcannon is too close-range.
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2015/10/25 06:58:13
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Vector Strike wrote: Jancoran wrote:Obviously this is using the current rules.
Explain. The intent would not be to have the commander fire anything nor to fire WITH anyone. So... I don't see your point. Yet.
With the new codex, inside a Hunter Contingent, if 2+ units combine their fire to shoot against a target, they combine their special rules regarding shooting as well. So Monster Hunter, Ignores Cover, re-roll to hit (not Twin-Linked), etc. Also, they share markerlight usage - both enjoy the +1BS/ ML, instead of needing to spend one for each unit.
Meaning that, if Buffmander and other unit (which he's not joined to) targets a enemy unit, this unit gets his bonuses. As they share markerlights, it's not a good idea to have ML-sources fire MLs at an enemy the same time other units are combining fire with them. Unless yo'ure using Remoras/Sky Rays for marking, let your ML sources fire first, and only then start combining fire.
In the end, this means that Buffmander isn't the best Mark'O anymore; a separate commander (you can easily have 3 in a Hunter Contingent) should be doing that.
You forgot to mention that when 3+ units fire together, all models in those units get +1BS.
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2015/10/25 07:40:02
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Can't take strider in the formations.
And the run and gun only works 12" from commander.
No epic resurgence of the fish of fury.
It's not bad, at all, but it's not as brutal as it could be.
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2015/10/25 11:32:27
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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BoomWolf wrote:Can't take strider in the formations.
And the run and gun only works 12" from commander.
No epic resurgence of the fish of fury.
It's not bad, at all, but it's not as brutal as it could be.
Well, for less than 200p you can get Darkstrider there ( CAD)
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Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army. |
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2015/10/25 13:36:36
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Tunneling Trygon
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Vector Strike wrote: BoomWolf wrote:Can't take strider in the formations.
And the run and gun only works 12" from commander.
No epic resurgence of the fish of fury.
It's not bad, at all, but it's not as brutal as it could be.
Well, for less than 200p you can get Darkstrider there ( CAD)
And with no access to things like Tetras, Y'Havra's or Skyrays in the basic Taucurion (well for Skyrays, without paying an arm and a leg) it's probably worthwhile in some lists
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2015/10/25 14:12:05
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Water-Caste Negotiator
Ontario, Canada
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Well I plan on running (in tournament competitive games only) the optimized stealth cadre, with 2 minimized 3 man stealth teams and a full 3 man (and 6 drones) ghostkeel squadron with ion rakers, twin-linked fusion blasters, early warning overrides, and velocity trackers. It's expensive but consider the following...
The formation bonus gives them BS 4, and having a full 3 ghostkeels means that the fireteam bonus kicks in and gives them BS 5. If a flyer comes in within 24" (or even better 18") or less, you can intercept them with 18 strength 7 shots (and 3 twin-linked strength 8 shots within 18") that hit on 2+, hit their rear armour, and prevent jink saves because they ignore cover... On avarage, this will kill an entire 3 vendetta squadron before they even fire a shot...
I call this the No Fly Zone
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2015/10/25 15:05:00
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Tunneling Trygon
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Definitely the way to go if you want to kill...you know....anything. Not the way to make friends though
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2015/10/25 17:57:19
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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Vector Strike wrote: Jancoran wrote:Obviously this is using the current rules.
Explain. The intent would not be to have the commander fire anything nor to fire WITH anyone. So... I don't see your point. Yet.
With the new codex, inside a Hunter Contingent, if 2+ units combine their fire to shoot against a target, they combine their special rules regarding shooting as well. So Monster Hunter, Ignores Cover, re-roll to hit (not Twin-Linked), etc. Also, they share markerlight usage - both enjoy the +1BS/ ML, instead of needing to spend one for each unit.
Meaning that, if Buffmander and other unit (which he's not joined to) targets a enemy unit, this unit gets his bonuses. As they share markerlights, it's not a good idea to have ML-sources fire MLs at an enemy the same time other units are combining fire with them. Unless yo'ure using Remoras/Sky Rays for marking, let your ML sources fire first, and only then start combining fire.
In the end, this means that Buffmander isn't the best Mark'O anymore; a separate commander (you can easily have 3 in a Hunter Contingent) should be doing that.
uh... I still don't see a word of this mattering to my point. And i was, again, not referring to any specific contingent or formation. I think I'll have to agree to continue to being confused on what you're saying.
Automatically Appended Next Post: luke1705 wrote:Definitely the way to go if you want to kill...you know....anything. Not the way to make friends though
Well you could just let Flying Daemon Circus's end you instead? Lol. Look. There is a point at which good will to all men ends. nd right now, with whats being fielded COMPETITIVELY, you can either be a doner or a player. Or the third category, who i hate: an incessant whiner who hates change. But obviously none of those exist on forums, so that's good.
I am not known for my power builds. I am in fact known on my blog for unorthodoxy. But I think its a bit of hyperbole to say this is going to end friendships when ultimately, melee does the same thing to Tau that it always did: neutralizes them.
ONE Marine squad can tie them up for much longer than they want to think about. cost vs. benefit? pretty good. So it will come down to whether the enemy force is balanced and mobile enough to actually do it. But thats their fault if it isnt. Mobility and assault are back in 7th Edition, so anyone whose not gotten that memo gets what they get anyways.
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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2015/10/25 18:04:28
Subject: Re:For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Won't even necessarily need Markerlights anymore now that you can just apply your Buffmander to your whole army whenever you need to.
Kinda shocked there's no range requirement on the Hunter Contingent combined fire ability; "who can still shoot" doesn't even imply an ability to reach the current target, just that they haven't already fired that turn. You could hypothetically park your Buffmander in a Bastion in the corner and have him selectively decide who he's helping that turn.
And to think, we just got rid of Buffmander-supported Riptides. Now we have Buffmander-supported Riptide squadrons .
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2015/10/25 18:06:59
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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Ignoring cover thing is kinda a big deal. You need Markerlights.
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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2015/10/25 18:08:21
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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Jancoran wrote:Ignoring cover thing is kinda a big deal. You need Markerlights.
And buffmander can do that too lol. Anyone else in your army who shoots at the same target as your buffmander unit get all his abilities. And if 3 or more units shoot then all get +1BS in addition lol. So broken
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2015/10/25 18:13:54
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So against one unit you absolutely wreck face, which is good against star armies.
Against MSU? Oh, you just concentrated all your army that is BS5 TL Ignore Cover into one of my x units. Good shooting sir!
No you need some Markerlights. Maybe not as many as before but still some.
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2015/10/25 18:38:25
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Jancoran wrote:Ignoring cover thing is kinda a big deal. You need Markerlights.
Buffmander gives Ignore Cover.
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