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Does anyone that is getting this for the cultists want to ofload the Deathwatch?

 the_Armyman wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Enlighten us please, oh mighty scholar.
you're making assumptions based on absolutely no information, as several people have pointed out.

I'll ignore the bait and enlighten you: GW knows it can charge $160 for the sprues while including $5 worth of chinese cardstock in something marketed as a boardgame. Then they're not burdened by the necessity to put out a codex for playing with these miniatures in 40K until a much later date when it's already assured (and established with data) that they have an audience.

At $165 for 50 miniatures that comes out to $3.30 per mini. I would argue that's an affordable price on its own for what you get.

Ahhh... faith rewarded!

Man, after putting an insane amount of effort into making my own version of these from scratch 6-7 years ago, it makes me so happy that they have kept the classic vibe and updated loyally to it. In fact, though my versions are obviously inferior, I don't think I will have any problem mixing the new ones in. I will say, I think I did a slightly better job differentiating the generations, I think the divide between 1-2 and 2-4 could have been slightly more pronounced. Still though, mind-numbingly good, this is such a win -









My one big disappointment though, is the Patriarch. The model unto itself is great, don't get me wrong, but I am disappointed for 2 reasons. First, seriously GW, this is the third go-round in 7 years for a broodlord in plastic, can you honestly, seriously not find another pose than 'perch on outcrop'? The second time you did this was silly, but a third time with almost the exact same pose is just lazy and stupid in terms of a missed oppurtunity to do something unique. 2nd, they used the broodlord design... I was hoping something that was slightly different beyond spikes and subtleties. I am old school so a fatty would have sat better with me. Again, the model itself is great, in context is where it flops a bit for me.



Overall, this is probably the best box I have ever seen from GW, everything is amazing, every last model looks thought out, cared for and finely crafted. If they charge 30 bucks for a single character these days, each model in this box is is good as any single infantry model they've put out to me, so even if it is 200 CAD, it is still a hell of a deal to me.

For the first time in a long time, way to go GW

 privateer4hire wrote:
Crud. Was hoping they'd start an unofficial series using the BaC engine.
They're darn decent rules and it would be fairly easy to tweak boxed game scenarios by making new cards for units.

Calth II is rumored to be released in Fall 2016 so in about 7-9 months from now by Sad Panda.


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Thumbs up for the comparison pics, MajorTom11

 the_Armyman wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Enlighten us please, oh mighty scholar.
you're making assumptions based on absolutely no information, as several people have pointed out.

I'll ignore the bait and enlighten you: GW knows it can charge $160 for the sprues while including $5 worth of chinese cardstock in something marketed as a boardgame. Then they're not burdened by the necessity to put out a codex for playing with these miniatures in 40K until a much later date when it's already assured (and established with data) that they have an audience.

I'm struggling to figure out why that's such a huge issue. I like this method of testing the waters a hell of a lot better than the last one they used with AdMech of splitting the army up into multiple books and factions, or the one they used before that with the Knights of half-assing the kit and rules then replacing both after just a year with demonstrably superior versions. And it's far better than Kickstarter, where you pay your money up-front and get something(or not) months or years later.

Evaluate the product on its own merits and either buy it or don't.

I just love the idea of the White Scar zooming around these tiny passages on his bike just mowing down Cult members...and having to perform daft three point turns and wheelies to get himself around.

Excellent work there MajorTom11, the new sculpts do look like they will fit right in with your army.

The genestealer cult stuff is fantastic. The marine stuff is a source of bits for the most part, a lot of them have way too much crap on them to the point that they've gone beyond nascar. Are they deathwatch or the freakin super friends? I'm more interested with the whole chamber militant of the ordos xenos men in black in space alien hunters, not this who can have the most bling from their parent chapter contest. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely bits here I want from the marines, but not much more.

Would you like some iconography with your iconography, it seems like their parent chapters are taking far too much away from the whole deathwatch thing, that and a lot of extra crap that isn't really needed a shoulder pad is more than enough. I wanna see more inquisition bling to be honest.

The iron hands guy is cool, the white scar would be better as a white scar, they literally only have like an old resin conversion kit before this. Cassius's pose is nice but he looks more ultramarines than deathwatch. The libby isn't bad, only a bit of a blood angels drop on the leg. Some of this stuff can be deemphasized with painting thankfully.

I've barely bought any GW since leaving uni, but this set could rather tempt me with that old school flavour. If it's £100 it'll be more than I've spent in ten years on GW. Not interested in the game though, the tiles will go with my stock of bits for RPGs.

I like Deathwatch but these have come some way since I bought the first conversion set out the back of White Dwarf. It used to be just helmets, shoulder pad and a gun, to convert regular plastics. These are a bit busy, but hey, they look a bit fun, it's the hybrids I want.

El Torro wrote:

If GW feel that releasing board games aimed at 40K players allows them to take more risks then bring on the board games I say.

So, you're totally okay with extraneous content that you paid for but have little intention of using? Wouldn't you rather have more USEFUL content for your dollar? Do you always root for the company over the customer? You are a good consumer.

It's not like we're paying a premium for the board game part of the set anyway. £100 for all these models is reasonable by GW pricing standards.

GW puts out increasingly more expensive boxed games, and you open your wallet because it seems comparatively reasonable. BTW, Dark Vengeance has 45 infantry-sized minis, plus 3 bikes, a dreadnought, and a rulebook for a full, tabletop game and it still costs $55 less than this boardgame. So, where's the "reasonable" in this box's value?

But it makes you feel good, so we need to ignore facts, right?

Look, I love the minis. These sculpts are fantastic, but it's being presented all wrong. Rewarding GW's behavior of putting out expensive boardgames so you can get "cheap" minis for a tabletop game is bizarro world and really illustrates a further disconnect and disrepect of its customers.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Enlighten us please, oh mighty scholar.
you're making assumptions based on absolutely no information, as several people have pointed out.

I'll ignore the bait and enlighten you: GW knows it can charge $160 for the sprues while including $5 worth of chinese cardstock in something marketed as a boardgame. Then they're not burdened by the necessity to put out a codex for playing with these miniatures in 40K until a much later date when it's already assured (and established with data) that they have an audience.

At $165 for 50 miniatures that comes out to $3.30 per mini. I would argue that's an affordable price on its own for what you get.

Yep. It's a reasonable price per mini, and a great price per mini for GCult stuff. I sold off some spare metal Hybrids in recent weeks (I was sitting on around 130 of them) and I averaged about $10 a model on ebay. Metal vs. plastic, but then I think the old plastic Hybrids -- which are MUCH lower quality than these -- still fetched maybe $7ish per mini. The market was out there.

Ultimately, it's a big box of fantastic minis for a decent price with a board game thrown in. No one's being a sheep or "not asking the right questions" if they like it. That's fairly obvious unless you're grinding an axe.


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 the_Armyman wrote:
But it makes you feel good, so we need to ignore facts, right?

Just stop it.

 gorgon wrote:

Yep. It's a reasonable price per mini, and a great price per mini for GCult stuff. I sold off some spare metal Hybrids in recent weeks (I was sitting on around 130 of them) and I averaged about $10 a model on ebay. Metal vs. plastic, but then I think the old plastic Hybrids -- which are MUCH lower quality than these -- still fetched maybe $7ish per mini. The market was out there.

Ultimately, it's a big box of fantastic minis for a decent price with a board game thrown in. No one's being a sheep or "not asking the right questions" if they like it. That's fairly obvious unless you're grinding an axe.

Right, because being critical of something you like means I have an axe to grind. BTW, to rebutt your reasonable price per mini argument, I present Dark Vengeance. Same amount of plastic, plus a full rulebook, and it costs 1/3 less than your "boardgame."

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 the_Armyman wrote:
But it makes you feel good, so we need to ignore facts, right?

Just stop it.

Nope. I'm still on topic, and unlike you, I haven't been condescending or insulting

 the_Armyman wrote:

El Torro wrote:

If GW feel that releasing board games aimed at 40K players allows them to take more risks then bring on the board games I say.

So, you're totally okay with extraneous content that you paid for but have little intention of using? Wouldn't you rather have more USEFUL content for your dollar? Do you always root for the company over the customer? You are a good consumer.

It's not like we're paying a premium for the board game part of the set anyway. £100 for all these models is reasonable by GW pricing standards.

GW puts out increasingly more expensive boxed games, and you open your wallet because it seems comparatively reasonable. BTW, Dark Vengeance has 45 infantry-sized minis, plus 3 bikes, a dreadnought, and a rulebook for a full, tabletop game and it still costs $55 less than this boardgame. So, where's the "reasonable" in this box's value?

But it makes you feel good, so we need to ignore facts, right?

Look, I love the minis. These sculpts are fantastic, but it's being presented all wrong. Rewarding GW's behavior of putting out expensive boardgames so you can get "cheap" minis for a tabletop game is bizarro world and really illustrates a further disconnect and disrepect of its customers.

I can understand why this is more expensive than Dark Vengeance. DV is a gateway into 40K, whereas this is a way for GW to sell more niche models. This is higher risk so they charge a higher price.

If GW end up releasing a Genestealer Cult codex and Deathwatch codex, with the boxes to go with it, will that assuage your complaints, or just make it worse in your eyes? The models will be a lot more expensive than what you're paying for in this board game after all.

I'm not really sure why you're saying that I'm rooting for the company over the consumer anyway. Personally I think this is the best thing to come out of GW in years and is well worth buying to add to my collection. If others feel it's a waste of money then they're free to not buy it.

Hey, boys, agree to disagree. You don't have to win, one thinks it's worth it, the other doesn't, end of story. Don't ruin the vibe for the rest of us trying to dig each other out of an entrenched position using the same arguments post after post.

I have no problem if Armyman doesn't think it's a deal. I think it's a deal personally, with a very high buy minimum. But he can think otherwise and we can both be right, because it's just our opinion, and shouldn't impact the enjoyment or lack thereof of the other. Same goes vice versa.

Thank you, MajorTom. I'll retire to the shadows, since it's unlikely I'll change any hearts at this point. If anyone wishes to respond, that's fine. I'll remain silent after this post.

TimHuckelbery wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
It's too bad that GW "phoned this one in" as others said, or else we might have gotten something REALLY nice.

Seriously though, this is quite the release even if you aren't as big of a Cultist as I am. So many nice touches the more you look at them.

To me, the Aberrants are screaming "look at us, we're a new unit type coming in the codex!" I'm not sure they would have spent the energy on a new concept if it was only for a couple models in a board game.

Is Tim Huckleberry in the house? I feel like all of us old cultists need to raise a glass or something.

Yep, glass raised and drained several times. Didn't think we'd get pics till Monday so this made the weekend
Fantastic to see all the old-school models and names return, along with new things too. Hopefully Brood Brothers will also return as well!
-Tim

NICE! How are you doing, brother? I gotta admit I never saw this day coming until the rumors started flowing from good sources. We still need our codex, but I'm feeling good about the chances.

You have to feel great. You put in a lot of work over the years to keep GCults alive, man.

And did I spell your name wrong AGAIN? Jesus. Then again, I recall that being a pub quiz question back in the day, so it wasn't just me...

i have a tiny sliver of hope rules for the genestealer cult and the individual deathwatch members will be in 2 white dwarfs after the game is out, might be a bit hopeful though :\

Tim Huckelbery... I just read in your 3rd ed army list two hours ago to compare it with the leaks, and the Compilation and 2nd ed list. Cheers!

Good times indeed

You would have thought GW would put 40k rules for the Genestealer Cult amd Deathwatch out but who knows

On the Marines: I guess they are ok but way too much bling on them - likely get it and ebay most of the Marines. Like the White Scars Iron Hands and the Salamander though...........so maybe not

Genestealer Cult: Echo pretty much eveyone else - these are great

Now where are my Sisters!!!

 the_Armyman wrote:
Thank you, MajorTom. I'll retire to the shadows, since it's unlikely I'll change any hearts at this point. If anyone wishes to respond, that's fine. I'll remain silent after this post.

I don't understand your concern. Games Workshop used to produce multiple board games that included miniatures that could be used with the board game and with the WH/WH40k games. Then they got away from that. Now they've started to do it again.

 Fugazi wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Thank you, MajorTom. I'll retire to the shadows, since it's unlikely I'll change any hearts at this point. If anyone wishes to respond, that's fine. I'll remain silent after this post.

I don't understand your concern. Games Workshop used to produce multiple board games that included miniatures that could be used with the board game and with the WH/WH40k games. Then they got away from that. Now they've started to do it again.

His opinion is that they're charging extra for the boardgame aspect, instead of just selling the minis. The opposite opinion is that this box averages to ~$3 per mini and the game is free, otherwise GW would charge an arm and a leg for individual character minis and squad boxes.

It's up to personal opinion/taste to determine which camp you fall under.

These were part of so many games back in the day - from Space Hulk to Tyranid Attack. Finally all of these models got their update



I loved the set, a good start for playing 40k and collecting SM and Tyranid/GC armies.

Well, this is a home run to be sure. All awesome sculpts and a huge number of minis in the box. We got a RRP yet?

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
His opinion is that they're charging extra for the boardgame aspect, instead of just selling the minis. The opposite opinion is that this box averages to ~$3 per mini and the game is free, otherwise GW would charge an arm and a leg for individual character minis and squad boxes.

It's up to personal opinion/taste to determine which camp you fall under.

Oh. Okay. I thought there was more to it than that.

Eh. Happy to get both. I happen to like these one-off games with sweet minis.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, this is a home run to be sure. All awesome sculpts and a huge number of minis in the box. We got a RRP yet?

100£ $165USD

 dan2026 wrote:
Gallery of better quality pics.
My treat.

http://imgur.com/a/F4g8P

Thank you very much.

Games like this, even if their replay value is low, are nevertheless big step-up from stuff like Dreadfleet, where you had shallow game AND miniatures which had no use in GW's other games. Or Execution Force, which had too few miniatures and shallow game.

Game board doesn't look too impressive - but then my comparison point is Space Hulk/Descent level game boards. Any way, even in terms of miniatures this is fairly good deal by GW standards.

I'm so tempted to buy this just for my upcoming Dark Heresy campaign. Good thing I'm broke.

Any word on 40k rules in this WD or the previews?

 M0ff3l wrote:
Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.

Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?

Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.

While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.

Warhams-77 wrote:


Calth II is rumored to be released in Fall 2016 so in about 7-9 months from now by Sad Panda.

I wouldn't call it Calth II or a Calth sequal.

It's a boxed game during the Heresy. There are Space Marines. Similarities end there.

Davor wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.

Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?

Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.

While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.

This is kind of a worthless and honestly pretty stupid answer.
There are no genestealer cult rules, if someone wants to play genestealers they have been around forever.
There are also no rules for these characters.
So why waste people's time with a really stupid and unhelpful answer?

 the_Armyman wrote:
The minis are beautiful, but I don't understand this as a concept for a boardgame. 50 premium "game pieces" makes the board look ridiculously cluttered. It's like they jammed a 4x4 with two 2000 point armies and said "Look how awesome this is!" nevermind the fact that you can't actually move or play a tactical game in such a cramped space.

Why the boardgame pretense? Who is the target audience if not tabletop wargamers? I know most of you don't care as long as you get your minis, but these are the questions you should be asking. But I'll let everyone get back to their "new GW Golden Age" and "Kirby's well and truly dead" hyperbole.

Maybe different scenarios will call for different minis, hence why GW gave us so many.

As an aside, the saying is true, someone, somewhere will always have to say something negative, no matter how good it is, or how good the people are feeling.


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 BloodGrin wrote:

Davor wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.

Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?

Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.

While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.

This is kind of a worthless and honestly pretty stupid answer.
There are no genestealer cult rules, if someone wants to play genestealers they have been around forever.
There are also no rules for these characters.
So why waste people's time with a really stupid and unhelpful answer?

Stupid answer really? Who said anything about Geanstealer cults? The person I quoted asked for Deathteam. Why couldn't you use them if you had the codices for them? Also it's called using your IMAGINATION. If there is no rules exactly for them, with all the codices out there, you can find a rule and use it as a "counts as", so Yes you can field the Deathwatch rules and hell I am sure people could come up with Genestealer cult rules with "counts as" as well.