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Hmmm... I'm really anxious to see the large drake.

Well, since Archaon slays Vandus Hammerhand and Calanax, then his army kills the Hammers of Sigmar to the man, I wonder if the Dracoth knights are a new "unit", fluff-wise, designed by Sigmar to combat Archaon's forces?

I hope the new battletome picks up where Balance of Power leaves off. I want to know where the Celestant Prime was while Archaon was kicking Vandus's shiny metal buttplate.

RoperPG wrote:

 Necros wrote:
So, is Fulminate even a word? What does fulminating mean?

I'm gonna stick with concussors I guess, so they'll match my starter set guy.. or maybe try magnetizing the arms or hands?

fulminate
ˈfʊlmɪneɪt,ˈfʌl-/
verb
1.
express vehement protest.
"all fulminated against the new curriculum"
synonyms: protest, rail, rage, rant, thunder, storm, declaim, inveigh, speak out, make/take a stand; More
2.
literary
explode violently or flash like lightning.
"thunder fulminated around the house"
synonyms: explode, flash, crack, detonate, blow up, go off; rumble
"thunder fulminated around the house"

Pretty apt either way.

I really do like to think the first definition is the one that applies here.


Two Stormcast Fulminators behold their advancing foe...
'Chaos. Again.'
'Oh, bloody hell, it was them last week!'
'I know! Ridiculous! They're just so boring! I mean, can't they ever do anything that doesn't involve spikes and blood?'
'Guess not. Oh, well, I guess we better go and fight them... For all the good it'll do..
'Yeah, 'spose you're right... but the Lord Castellant will be getting a strongly worded letter if we end up impaled! We have right, you know!'



I do look forward to seeing the Stormcast dragon. The artwork in the cover is pretty awesome, I hope the model can live up to it.

I can't wait to test out duels between those guys and Varanguards!

 Manchu wrote:
I hope the new battletome picks up where Balance of Power leaves off. I want to know where the Celestant Prime was while Archaon was kicking Vandus's shiny metal buttplate.

He was busy beating the chaos out of Torglug

The pic showing a whole army of these guys is pretty cool, but unfortunately, it also shows the almost complete lack of customisation of the dracoth.

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Well I certainly hope the price of the book is true. Shows the GW at least acknowledges that the hardcover ones at THAT price were not selling.

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Well I certainly hope the price of the book is true. Shows the GW at least acknowledges that the hardcover ones at THAT price were not selling.

It is smaller than the others as well.

 streetsamurai wrote:
The pic showing a whole army of these guys is pretty cool, but unfortunately, it also shows the almost complete lack of customisation of the dracoth.

Indeed, it is a nice looking model, but gets very samey across the unit. Might have been nice if they had even just included one less weapon option for the riders in favour of a couple of variant heads for the mounts... The cloned bodies wouldn't be as obvious if you could at least vary the heads a bit.

Going even further, these still seem to be designed from a ranking up frame of mind... If you're going to include beasts like this in a skirmish game, there's no good reason not to put them on round bases so that you can have a bit more fun with dynamic posing, rather than just having them all in rigid 'charge straight ahead' poses.

Having said that, it's a new kit, and they're big models, so keeping it to the two poses does help keep the production costs down. Given how much they're putting into the Stormcast range, it wouldn't surprise me to see the mount options expanded out in later sets.

 Haechi wrote:
I can't wait to test out duels between those guys and Varanguards!

The only weak sauce in there for me is the Desolators because of unit size mechanic to maximise them.
All the others have particular strengths, although I think for me the Tempestor just-and-just wins out because their bonus effect (disruptive fire) is massive.
Concussors with a bit of synergy will bring stuff down tough stuff very quickly, and Fulminators on the charge aren't a lot of fun either.

Frankly I can't really see a clear no-brainer pick out of them - which is kinda nice I guess, because you can go with what you think looks good.

Since it looks like the only difference in any of the builds is probably going to be the hand with the weapon, some magnets might do wonders for a set of these guys.

Probably would make a reasonably priced box or two pretty worthwhile units.

What would be really tempting, and I have no idea if it would work, would be playing around with the starter set Dracolith rider and seeing if he could use those weapons with a bit of converting.

Could probably build up a pretty sizable unit that way....

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Since it looks like the only difference in any of the builds is probably going to be the hand with the weapon, some magnets might do wonders for a set of these guys.

Probably would make a reasonably priced box or two pretty worthwhile units.

What would be really tempting, and I have no idea if it would work, would be playing around with the starter set Dracolith rider and seeing if he could use those weapons with a bit of converting.

Could probably build up a pretty sizable unit that way....

Depends how anal you are. Different heads as well...

 insaniak wrote:
Going even further, these still seem to be designed from a ranking up frame of mind... If you're going to include beasts like this in a skirmish game, there's no good reason not to put them on round bases so that you can have a bit more fun with dynamic posing, rather than just having them all in rigid 'charge straight ahead' poses.

Having said that, it's a new kit, and they're big models, so keeping it to the two poses does help keep the production costs down. Given how much they're putting into the Stormcast range, it wouldn't surprise me to see the mount options expanded out in later sets.

There have been several AoS models where it seems to my eye they were originally intended to work with the WHF ranking system, or the sculptors are still in that mindset when it comes to designing them.

The new battletome has 7 war scrolls. That would be 4 for the different dracoth guard variants and one for the celestant on a dracoth. I guess that leaves 2 for different variants of the star drake kit

Source http://cdn.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/extremis-4.jpg

 Haechi wrote:
I can't wait to test out duels between those guys and Varanguards!

They're both cavalry; I think a Knights' Tournament is more suited here.

edit: Whoops sorry. got off topic

I ran some simulations and Concussors are straight out more powerful than Varanguards... It's a bit disappointing.

Their special also means that a unit of two will on average stun the opposing unit every time.

Is that 1v1 or 2v3?

I did it as a 1v1 where nobody gets charge bonus and they hit at once. It comes down to the dracoth itself being a much stronger mount.

Presumably most comp packs will take that into account when pricing them.

When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I'm expecting a "start collecting" box for them. If it's like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I'd expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I'm considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I'd hold off.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I'm expecting a "start collecting" box for them. If it's like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I'd expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I'm considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I'd hold off.

He didn't say it was Tzeentch Daemon stuff.

We just had the new Tzeentch mortal faction get namedropped in the Grand Alliance: Chaos book. They're called the "Tzeentch Arcanites".

The only models listed in there right now? Lord on Disc of Tzeentch(Finecast), Curseling(renamed Vilitch), Blasted Standards, and the plastic Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord(No Longer Available).

 Kanluwen wrote:
the plastic Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord(No Longer Available).

Maybe soon a repack with a multi-weeks Tzeentch release?

RazorEdge wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
the plastic Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord(No Longer Available).

Maybe soon a repack with a multi-weeks Tzeentch release?

"No Longer Available" stuff tends to just go.

He was one of the early plastic characters where they actually are sculpted to fit with JUST the square base they came with and it becomes very problematic to place them on anything else for GW.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I'm expecting a "start collecting" box for them. If it's like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I'd expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I'm considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I'd hold off.

He didn't say it was Tzeentch Daemon stuff.

We just had the new Tzeentch mortal faction get namedropped in the Grand Alliance: Chaos book. They're called the "Tzeentch Arcanites".

The only models listed in there right now? Lord on Disc of Tzeentch(Finecast), Curseling(renamed Vilitch), Blasted Standards, and the plastic Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord(No Longer Available).

Ah, ok. I thought he had chimed in with Tzeentch info, like a combination of AoS and 40k stuff. If it's still a ways out (meaning who knows if/when), then I'm buying whatever boxes I'm interested in this afternoon. No reason to wait. Thanks Kan.

Has anyone been able to figure out why it looks like the drake/dragon model in the background has its wings pointed downward? At least thats what it looks like to me.

I can see its head, and its breast plate, but those appear to be pointed up. I dont see how the wings can be pointed towards the ground if its head it looking straight/a bit upward.

Any speculations?

Vida wrote:
Has anyone been able to figure out why it looks like the drake/dragon model in the background has its wings pointed downward? At least thats what it looks like to me.

I can see its head, and its breast plate, but those appear to be pointed up. I dont see how the wings can be pointed towards the ground if its head it looking straight/a bit upward.

Any speculations?

I think a good example might be the Terrorgheist in how it is displayed. My first instinct was that it maybe a reskinned version of this model as this seems to be the order of the day for GW. What makes me more concerned is why they thought painting it's wings to look like a watermelon was a good idea from these images?