GW new "build + paint" range, moving to models stores

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**insaniak**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hopefully the quality of these kits mould-wise is up to standard we expect from GW.

I would very much doubt that they're using anything other than the original moulds for these sprues, so they're likely to be more or less exactly the same quality-wise as they were when they were first released.

For that matter, if they've chosen to go for a harder, more model-kit-ish plastic formula for these than they use for their gaming miniatur, they may even be slightly better than they were originally...

**JoshInJapan**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
I may pick up the Heavy Assault Team if it is the AoBR Terminators and the AoBR Dreadnought.

As would I. My six year-old son is starting an Ultramarines army with my unused SM models, and I would much prefer to pay $40USD than that approximately $1,000 the full sets could cost.

**djphranq**

Kanluwen wrote:
I want one of those swag bags in the back with the Knight on it. That looks amazing.

They look like the bags they're using now at GW stores. Did you want 1 or 2?

EDIT:

This is what they have at the store lately... one side Knight... other side AoS...

**Warhams-77**

insaniak wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
Hopefully the quality of these kits mould-wise is up to standard we expect from GW.

I would very much doubt that they're using anything other than the original moulds for these sprues, so they're likely to be more or less exactly the same quality-wise as they were when they were first released.

For that matter, if they've chosen to go for a harder, more model-kit-ish plastic formula for these than they use for their gaming miniatur, they may even be slightly better than they were originally...

Yes, good points. I had a few minutes of Finecast-Dejavu but there is nothing actually hinting at that. We can see some sample sprues and they look fine

**Barzam**

krushgroove wrote:
Hi guys, I'm the one that took the pictures (and my name ain't Chris whatever!). I posted this in the 2 main 40k groups on Facebook, The Overlords group and on my site/blog, Tiny Plastic Spacemen: http://www.tinyplasticspacemen.com/games-workshop-2016-releases-from-the-spielwarenmesse-the-nurnberg-toy-fair/ - there's some extra pictures on my site of the Age of Sigmar terrain, I wasn't aware that it's not released yet because I'm sure I've seen it at Warhammer World before now.

I also posted the pictures of the Built + Paint sets flyer on the Spikey Bitz Facebook page, and they somehow turned it into a 'GW is going to Target and Walmart' story - which I just didn't get at all from talking with the head guy at the GW stand. They're placed right in the middle of die-cast and scale model manufacturers, in a prime spot to talk to hobby shops and try to get back into independent stores. Who knows what their strategy is but I don't think it's get into big retailers. Although it's not a bad idea, with an all-in-one model kit! I will try to confirm this one way or another in the next couple of days, though.

That's a little disappointing that they aren't aiming for big box retail. Baby steps, I suppose. Since my FLGS is also a hobby/model shop, I shouldn't have any issue finding these if I want them.

**nudibranch**

This is really cool actually. Also nice how they're making some oop models available again (especially the Deff Copta as the only other models for it is ancient.)

**Guildsman**

I hate to be a downer, but if they're not aiming to get these "new" kits into big box stores, I really don't see the point. If by "hobby shops" you mean places like Michael's or Hobby Town here in the U.S., then that's not exactly going to bring a flood of new customers. A lot of these stores already have GW kits.

**Kanluwen**

Guildsman wrote:
I hate to be a downer, but if they're not aiming to get these "new" kits into big box stores, I really don't see the point. If by "hobby shops" you mean places like Michael's or Hobby Town here in the U.S., then that's not exactly going to bring a flood of new customers. A lot of these stores already have GW kits.

There's also model train shops, stores that sell scale models but not games, etc.

And whether those stores have GW stuff or not seems to be a regional/manager based things. The Michael's near me most definitely has no GW stuff, and has not since the Return of the King sets.

**insaniak**

Guildsman wrote:
I hate to be a downer, but if they're not aiming to get these "new" kits into big box stores, I really don't see the point. If by "hobby shops" you mean places like Michael's or Hobby Town here in the U.S., then that's not exactly going to bring a flood of new customers. A lot of these stores already have GW kits.

That may be the case in the US. Less so elsewhere, I suspect.

Hobby stores here rarely carry GW, and those few who do just have a small range tucked in a corner that nobody knows anything about.

These kits will be much easier for those sorts of stores to sell,, as they're a self contained product and don't require any knowledge of the actual game.

**loki old fart**

Guildsman wrote:
I hate to be a downer, but if they're not aiming to get these "new" kits into big box stores, I really don't see the point. If by "hobby shops" you mean places like Michael's or Hobby Town here in the U.S., then that's not exactly going to bring a flood of new customers. A lot of these stores already have GW kits.

Agreed, they need to get these into Smyths or toys are us. Right next to airfix and the like.

**Sinful Hero**

Guildsman wrote:
I hate to be a downer, but if they're not aiming to get these "new" kits into big box stores, I really don't see the point. If by "hobby shops" you mean places like Michael's or Hobby Town here in the U.S., then that's not exactly going to bring a flood of new customers. A lot of these stores already have GW kits.

Where do you live that Hobby Lobby's have GW kits? I remember Hobbytown USA's used to carry a few years ago; is that what you're talking about?

Wait, have we had this conversation before? With Big Box hobby stores having a small selection in the NorthEastern US?

**Korinov**

This is certainly a good step in the right direction. As others have said before, it could also indicate that the panic button has already been pushed (this is barely a month after the Christmas bundles).

Nice to see those oldie and lovely pieces of box art again.

**Jehan-reznor**

Reasonable prices with paint a kit and brushes, surely this must be a sign of the end of times!

Good idea GW!

**Tannhauser42**

After I got over my initial shock of GW doing something rather intelligent, I then got the second shock: GW actually attended an industry event. I thought they avoided those things like the plague?

**Accolade**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
After I got over my initial shock of GW doing something rather intelligent, I then got the second shock: GW actually attended an industry event. I thought they avoided those things like the plague?

I'm guessing that, in a meeting, someone asked the very difficult question "Why?"

When everyone shrugged, it was decided GW should attend.

**Talys**

Korinov wrote:
This is certainly a good step in the right direction. As others have said before, it could also indicate that the panic button has already been pushed (this is barely a month after the Christmas bundles).

Nice to see those oldie and lovely pieces of box art again.

Keep in mind these won't show up til NEXT Christmas (November 2016), and since there's photos of the sprues and such, they must have been planed quite a while ago. Like, we are seeing it now, but the genesis of the project was probably over a year ago; at least many months past.

We have a little bit of an idea of how long it takes them to get a project going -- they announced SGs at the end of last year, and BB is slated for some time in 2017 now, I think. So, there's a good chance this was a project started in early 2015 to hit late 2016. Looking at the sprues, I think the sprues have been retooled, if nothing else, to optimize space so that the boxes can be smaller (old sprues had tons of space between each model part; new sprues have everything crammed in tight).

**Verviedi**

...I think I actually just threw an error. Does this qualify as advertising? Because I think this qualifies as advertising.

**insaniak**

Talys wrote:
. Looking at the sprues, I think the sprues have been retooled, if nothing else, to optimize space so that the boxes can be smaller (old sprues had tons of space between each model part; new sprues have everything crammed in tight).

They look like the original sprues to me. And I handled a lot of those sprues...

I don't think this would have anything like the development time of new Specialist Games. They have the moulds. They have the artwork. The longest delay would be getting boxes printed... Which may be why the boxes shown are just mockups.

**Crazyterran**

Those look like the Old 25mm Terminators (as you can see in one of the pictures) and the god damn Gorka Morka trucks.

Ughhh.

**Sinful Hero**

Crazyterran wrote:
Those look like the Old 25mm Terminators (as you can see in one of the pictures) and the god damn Gorka Morka trucks.

Ughhh.

They also have "Mock-up" written on the box art.

**Talys**

insaniak wrote:
Talys wrote:
. Looking at the sprues, I think the sprues have been retooled, if nothing else, to optimize space so that the boxes can be smaller (old sprues had tons of space between each model part; new sprues have everything crammed in tight).

They look like the original sprues to me. And I handled a lot of those sprues...

I don't think this would have anything like the development time of new Specialist Games. They have the moulds. They have the artwork. The longest delay would be getting boxes printed... Which may be why the boxes shown are just mockups.

When I looked at it again -- you're right. If the boxes are printed out of China, the freight could take a while; local printing should be no biggie (I mean, considering they have 9 months to go).

**Jehan-reznor**

Even if they use the old molds it is finally something to draw in a younger crowd and for us veterans, Conversion potential!

**Kid_Kyoto**

krushgroove wrote:
Hi guys, I'm the one that took the pictures (and my name ain't Chris whatever!). I posted this in the 2 main 40k groups on Facebook, The Overlords group and on my site/blog, Tiny Plastic Spacemen: http://www.tinyplasticspacemen.com/games-workshop-2016-releases-from-the-spielwarenmesse-the-nurnberg-toy-fair/ - there's some extra pictures on my site of the Age of Sigmar terrain, I wasn't aware that it's not released yet because I'm sure I've seen it at Warhammer World before now.

I also posted the pictures of the Built + Paint sets flyer on the Spikey Bitz Facebook page, and they somehow turned it into a 'GW is going to Target and Walmart' story - which I just didn't get at all from talking with the head guy at the GW stand. They're placed right in the middle of die-cast and scale model manufacturers, in a prime spot to talk to hobby shops and try to get back into independent stores. Who knows what their strategy is but I don't think it's get into big retailers. Although it's not a bad idea, with an all-in-one model kit! I will try to confirm this one way or another in the next couple of days, though.

Thaks for the information, cool stuff.

I remember GW did something similar in the early 2000s, putting a lot of their 1 pose plastics out for a bargain price. 8 Bezerkers and Plague Marines for $8, the Heroquest and Warhammer Quest models as well.

**Guildsman**

Sinful Hero wrote:
Guildsman wrote:
I hate to be a downer, but if they're not aiming to get these "new" kits into big box stores, I really don't see the point. If by "hobby shops" you mean places like Michael's or Hobby Town here in the U.S., then that's not exactly going to bring a flood of new customers. A lot of these stores already have GW kits.

Where do you live that Hobby Lobby's have GW kits? I remember Hobbytown USA's used to carry a few years ago; is that what you're talking about?

Wait, have we had this conversation before? With Big Box hobby stores having a small selection in the NorthEastern US?

My bad; that was phrased badly. Hobby Town and such have a small selection of kits, or at least my local one does. Places like Michael's or Hobby Lobby don't have GW, but they do have Revel, Airfix, etc. And maybe it's just me, but those don't seem to be the sort of places that would make a huge difference to GW's bottom line. Now, if they got these new beginner kits into stores like Wal-mart or Target... that would be a real coup.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Won't be saddened if it doesn't end up in places like Target or Wal-Mart (but wouldn't mind it, that's for sure).

What I do hope to see is this stuff in Michael's, Jo- Ann, Hobby Lobby... places that sell model kits, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, offer those sweet, delicious, 40+ percent off coupons like it's going out of style.

I will go on record with saying that if these show up in stores my wife already has stockpiles of coupons for, I will forgo will lizarding ways and start a space marine army up again.

Just like old times.

**casvalremdeikun**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Won't be saddened if it doesn't end up in places like Target or Wal-Mart (but wouldn't mind it, that's for sure).

What I do hope to see is this stuff in Michael's, Jo- Ann, Hobby Lobby... places that sell model kits, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, offer those sweet, delicious, 40+ percent off coupons like it's going out of style.

I will go on record with saying that if these show up in stores my wife already has stockpiles of coupons for, I will forgo will lizarding ways and start a space marine army up again.

Just like old times.

Very true. This might actually be a way of getting a bunch of miniatures for a halfways decent price. I will be picking up the Terminator/Dreadnought boxed set for sure. This might even be a cheap way to get some bikes (with added SM Captain probably also from AoBR). Too bad they didn't do something like release the AoBR Tactical Squad this way. Would also be cool if they released some of the other starter set miniatures this way, though I would expect the Helbrute to be called a Chaos Dreadnought.

**Talys**

I think Toys-R-Us and Walmart would do a lot better than Michaels. Not sure about the US version of the store, but the Canadian Michaels targets a much older demographic. There's a very small fine arts section that I frequent, but most of the store is dedicated to things like dried flowers, framing, seasonal "craft" type stuff (for Halloween, Christmas, etc.), that kind of thing. I've never seen any kind of model like a Tamiya or Revell in one.

I'm on board with 40% and 50% coupons though!!

**Grimskul**

Talys wrote:
I think Toys-R-Us and Walmart would do a lot better than Michaels. Not sure about the US version of the store, but the Canadian Michaels targets a much older demographic. There's a very small fine arts section that I frequent, but most of the store is dedicated to things like dried flowers, framing, seasonal "craft" type stuff (for Halloween, Christmas, etc.), that kind of thing. I've never seen any kind of model like a Tamiya or Revell in one.

I'm on board with 40% and 50% coupons though!!

Indeed, the Michaels store near me in Mississauga really doesn't have much product for the gaming/modelling demographic, there's paint and stuff for sure but its aimed more towards arts and crafts moreso than tabletop or hobby-esque stuff.

**H.B.M.C.**

I... don't see a problem with this. At all.

Gamgee wrote:
I got a bad feeling 7th is going to be the last version of 40k.

Yeah but Age of Ultramar is going to be rad!!!

**casvalremdeikun**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I... don't see a problem with this. At all.

Gamgee wrote:
I got a bad feeling 7th is going to be the last version of 40k.

Yeah but Age of Ultramar is going to be rad!!!

At least we know that when it does happen, Space Marines and Orks are safe.