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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Shame that it's that old Termy Sergeant. They're not even in scale with the current Termies.

You say that as if it were a bad thing.

The new Even Bigger Terminators were one of the reasons that I finally decided to sell off my Dark Angels.

I very much dislike the new Even Bigger Terminators.

The Auld Grump - on Even Bigger Bases.

I don't think that because these kits are meant for young'ns doesn't mean they have to be snap-fit. I started about age 10, but even then I didn't like how Moria Goblins were 1 piece + base. Even though the focus is supposed to be on painting, I like(d) actually building the kits too.

I could care less that they are trying to pander to an even younger market...the thing that bothers me most about seeing these is why use the old @$$ ork vehicle kits? I understand that the newer bikes and trukks are complex kits, but I'd really like to see them throw some resources at designing new buggies and wartrakks, they could even make the new kits 'easy to assemble' as long as they look cool and fit with the newer Ork aesthetic.

I think these kits are a great idea and I hope Gw comes out with a free or at least very cheap skirmish ruleset to go with them.

I like an awful lot of this.

The hobby needs many more young people - there are far too many of us old guys and not enough young uns for it not to become more and more niche.

pre primed kits is great

 Fango wrote:
I could care less that they are trying to pander to an even younger market...the thing that bothers me most about seeing these is why use the old @$$ ork vehicle kits?

Because the whole point of this exercise is to get some more use out of old moulds, I would suspect.

Throwing resources at it is the exact opposite of what's happening here. It's a way of generating a few extra sales and possible pushing into a new corner of the market without any significant expenditure of capital or resources.


And, really, the old Ork kits aren't actually that bad. Just slap a new head on them and they fit in well enough with the current range.

 insaniak wrote:

 Fango wrote:
I could care less that they are trying to pander to an even younger market...the thing that bothers me most about seeing these is why use the old @$$ ork vehicle kits?

Because the whole point of this exercise is to get some more use out of old moulds, I would suspect.

Throwing resources at it is the exact opposite of what's happening here. It's a way of generating a few extra sales and possible pushing into a new corner of the market without any significant expenditure of capital or resources.


And, really, the old Ork kits aren't actually that bad. Just slap a new head on them and they fit in well enough with the current range.

I get that is makes sense financially for GW...but what about 'MY' needs? They should really be thinking about how to squeeze a few more $$ out of my pocket book for updated versions of models I already own

 Fango wrote:
I could care less that they are trying to pander to an even younger market...the thing that bothers me most about seeing these is why use the old @$$ ork vehicle kits? I understand that the newer bikes and trukks are complex kits, but I'd really like to see them throw some resources at designing new buggies and wartrakks, they could even make the new kits 'easy to assemble' as long as they look cool and fit with the newer Ork aesthetic.

Because they look to be aiming at a low price point

so if they design new stuff or use the current kits they'll kill the sales of part of their main range.

Using the old kits lets them save money on the front end, and keeps their main range pricing unaffected

It's been pointed out over and over that the kits and artwork are placeholder to give a general idea of what the product would entail and aren't yet final.

There could be new kits designed specifically for this range, as far as we know at this point.

 Scrub wrote:
It's been pointed out over and over that the kits and artwork are placeholder to give a general idea of what the product would entail and aren't yet final.

There could be new kits designed specifically for this range, as far as we know at this point.

There are no new kits designed specifically for this range. Again, the confirmation that there are no new moulds being made for this has already been posted in this thread.

 Fango wrote:
I could care less

How much less could you care?

 Scrub wrote:
It's been pointed out over and over that the kits and artwork are placeholder to give a general idea of what the product would entail and aren't yet final.

There could be new kits designed specifically for this range, as far as we know at this point.

As far as we know at this point, all Victoria Secret Angels could be madly in love with me. GW investing heavily in a discount line? Seriously? If we see just a single new model for this line this year I'll be eating my hat.

 Crimson wrote:

 Fango wrote:
I could care less

How much less could you care?

Meh, I couldn't care less about how much less he could care.

Or, for that matter, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

These strike me as an affordable means to help GW climb out of a hole - and, as such, I approve.

I do not care if the models are older - this is aimed at a different audience.

Plus... last year I got the rules for GorkaMorka for my good lady.... Cheap trucks from that game? Oh, yeah....

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Fango wrote:
I could care less

How much less could you care?

Meh, I couldn't care less about how much less he could care.

Or, for that matter, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

These strike me as an affordable means to help GW climb out of a hole - and, as such, I approve.

I do not care if the models are older - this is aimed at a different audience.

Plus... last year I got the rules for GorkaMorka for my good lady.... Cheap trucks from that game? Oh, yeah....

The Auld Grump

This.
Cheap trucks to convert

Haven't read thread so don't know if it's been mentioned but to me the ork box with the deffkopta seems like a fraudulent idea to me, at least if they don't release the kit as a general kit for 40K.

Reason for this is that if this new kit is the only way to get the deffkopta people will buy it just for that and then GW can say this new strategy has been a huge success because they've sold tons of those kits when in reality the statistics can't be trusted because you wont know how many old ork player bought it compared to the target audience at general toy stores.

These aren't due out until November.

There are rumors of am Ork update well before then, IIRC.

Really? I'm normally pretty up to date on the rumours and I can't remember reading anything.

So what rumours are there?

 insaniak wrote:
These aren't due out until November.

There are rumors of am Ork update well before then, IIRC.

Which is kind of funny, because they are one of the more recently updated lower-tier codices with the exception of DE, IIRC. I guess Nids, Guard, SoB, and, worst off, CSMs will just have to continue waiting. But in either case, I'm going to hold off on buying an Orks Codex before these rumors are 100% confirmed or denied.

Back on topic, would an Ork update necessarily even mean redone/more/fewer sculpts and kits? I don't think releasing this new line of kids' paint sets will really change up the way they've done things with their main range of models.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Really? I'm normally pretty up to date on the rumours and I can't remember reading anything.

So what rumours are there?

Nah, looks like I was misremembering.

Either way, though, the lack of an existing Deffcopta model right now doesn't mean that there won't be one by the time these kits are finally in stores.

Well, not to mention that it might not even be a Deffcopta that gets released in November. Lots of time for GW to change their minds on what to put in the box.

I am in for 15 2ed Ork bikes

Freaking LOVE the old style artwork.

MrFlutterPie wrote:I am in for 15 2ed Ork bikes

Freaking LOVE the old style artwork.

I think I'd make a small force of them as well. And with Gorkamorka trucks to go with them? Awesome. Some would get converted to have larger flat beds while others would get crazy scratchbuilt (& bitz) cannons mounted on the platform.

Not quite as far as 2000 Volts went with this:


In that direction though.

And I would absolutely love it if the ork boyz were the smaller gorkamorka plastics:



I'm not a fan of super sized gorilla orks. And they do have a sprue:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I wonder if the Timmykits will have tokens on the boxes. Collect them all and send off for a free model or something?

We're going to end up calling this Timmyhammer won't we?

Only if we get Timmyhammer: Age of Timmy...

I want them to do boxes like this with the "Island of Blood" and "Battle for Skull Pass" figures.

I'd be happy with one of those plastic Trolls from Battle for Skull Pass.

 Grot 6 wrote:
That looks like what GW does every couple of years to clear out old stock.

Good snatch and grabs, though, before they come up with the obligatory more expensive replacement models.

No faith in this, BTW. this is a standard practice by them to clear out older stuff.

Something they've never done before is "standard practice"?

Looks like a great idea to me. All this hand wringing about them being old models seems misplaced to me. I don't think the kids will be too bothered, remember, this is going to be their introduction to the hobby. Just keep it simple and fun. I'm sure the kiddywinks will manage.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
That looks like what GW does every couple of years to clear out old stock.

Good snatch and grabs, though, before they come up with the obligatory more expensive replacement models.

No faith in this, BTW. this is a standard practice by them to clear out older stuff.

Something they've never done before is "standard practice"?

In the US in the early 2000s they sold off their monopose 90s plastics as 'toy boxes' with names like Alien Attack. They also cleared out models on Troll Boss Bob's Bargain Basement, for like 50% or more off.

But it's been 15+ years since they did anything like that.

KommissarKiln wrote:I agree with this line of thought. The boxes, and even the sprues, have a good change of being stand-in prototypes, so it's not worth getting hung up over "Those Trukks are gonna be too small!" issues. For me, the greatest hope comes with the fact these boxes we see were labelled "Series 1," so perhaps they'll release more varieties of these fun little packs. My hopes would be for Guard, Chaos, and/or Nids, maaaybe some Fire Warriors if absolutely necessary.

2 issues I have with idea of "these sprues are just placeholders. Final ones are going to be different"

a) with the price point they are aiming for seems doubtful they would be doing new sprues just for this. Old sprues they already have is lot cheaper. Also less danger of cannibalizing own sales of existing models
b) if they ARE mockups...Why old sprues? Couldn't they put CURRENT sprues as a mockup sprues just as well? Ones that would then be more likely closer to final product(who thinks any new models wouldn't look more like current models rather than old ones? New trukk designed for this would be more akin to gorkamorka trukk? Not likely...).

Dendarien wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If they really will use the existing or even discontinued sprues, selling a Land Speeder to an 8-year old sounds like a fine way to lose a customer forever.

Man I remember assembling the 3rd ed starter set way back when I was a kid...that Landspeeder was an absolute nightmare.

Hah first 40k box I had was the 3rd ed starter set. Before that few fantasy models. The thing did not end up assembled particularly well Not easy kit for beginner to assemble. Doable? Yes. But hard.

Then again kids can often ask help from older people anyway so...Little fun time together for dad and son.