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Right? I have many of each blood bowl team, but only one goblin team and one halfling team.

Why waste plastic on gobbo's?

Because all the people with the plastic Orcs will likely want a box of plastic Goblins to go with them?

Elbows wrote:I dub it the Rat mediOgre.

I think it doesn't matter too much since there are still so many third party companies who make Blood Bowl figures, but they're not doing themselves any favors.

daemonish wrote:The puppets of war one looks far and away superior in every way.

If BB's popularity caught FW by surprise, could I assume that FW and PW had similar time frames to knock these out?

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I do like it better, but it does still have hooves rather than ratty feet

Hooves

Maybe rat-monsters would look better with bare feet, but I think it's a reasonable enough dodge to make use of the bulk of the mini without leaving it with actual hooves, or having to provide separate feet as well as heads and tails.

Rayvon wrote:
Yea it looks like a really good minotaur, but the body shape and the feet are not how i want a rat ogre to look.

I thought it looked close to the IoB ones. It's fairly wide, and fairly abby and obliquey.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:It's a conscious style that they just didn't pull off very well on the Rat Ogre.

And how.

However because acrylics don't behave like oils, it's actually a tricky style to pull off when painting with acrylics because a bad blend with an acrylic just looks like a bad blend rather than an intentional rough effect (frankly it takes a bit of artistic talent that I lack to pull off with oils as well )

It's a wee bit different with big gobs of acrylic on a canvas, but with tiny amounts on a gaming mini it'll definitely dry too fast for the same effect, without a lot of retarder or wet blending. (Even then it'll not stay open for hours, let alone days)

and the poor sculpting on the muscles just makes it look even worse. The muscles on the model's right upper arm look like they're barely sculpted on at all but almost entirely painted on, and painted on with an inconsistent lighting direction and freakishly sharp edges.

To be honest I think it looks like the work of a hobbyist who learned about anatomy by looking at other sculptors' minis, rather than from, y'know, anatomy. If it was a first-time hobbyist showing this off it'd be a case of "Nice work! Well done!" but from a business with the reputation of FW, holding it's hand out for a big fat piece of recompense, it's "Yer havin a laugh!"

Binabik15 wrote:The plastic rat ogres might be better than this. No, not the nice IoB ones (who are amazing besides the weird fur patches GW uses), the freaking multi-part plastics. And those are hideous!

Blimey. But you're not wrong!

I would like to see plastic goblins mainly because I have been waiting years to see some decent plastic goblins

If we see them hopefully it's with all the secret weapons as alternate parts on one sprue. Should be feasible based on the Dwarf sprue and how small the goblins should be.

Really hope to see some plastics soon to get some momentum going good again release-wise.

 plastictrees wrote:
If we see them hopefully it's with all the secret weapons as alternate parts on one sprue. Should be feasible based on the Dwarf sprue and how small the goblins should be.

Really hope to see some plastics soon to get some momentum going good again release-wise.

I hope so, no one takes a Gobbo team without secret weapons...theres where all the fun is. And if they didn't include them then the point of a goblin team in plastic seems like a wasted opportunity. They could have done an elf team and not had to do any resin expansions for them instead.

The disparity between the quality of the new GW plastic Blood Bowl kits and most of the Forgeworld ones (with the exception of the excellent sculpt of the Mighty Zug) is really upsetting.

It makes me concerned for the future of the game if the plan is for FW to be the ones providing long term support.

Why isn't there anyone in a position of creative control at FW with enough clout to stop turds like these being released?

I feel like FW really can only be relied on to make nice vehicles...

I hadn't thought about secret weapons, that's a valid point. Shows how much contact I had with Goblin teams: none IRL FW would have to reserve a lot of release slots for all of them if they're in resin. But aren't many limited to one per team? And the current teams are made of clone sprues (I have to admit I haven't bought any yet, I want to finish a Chaos team first*), aren't they? A plastic chainsaw would make me buy a set out of principle though, converting them from chainswords is such a chore.

I still other teams are needed more in plastic. The 40k Grots and a metric ton of Gobbos, Gnoblars can be very good stand-ins. TKs got nuked, Amazons have many models available, but not GW ones, Halflings are apparently a secret shame for GW (any mention of them in Aos, like, ever?! Thanks, New Line, I guess ?) and only have one third of a somewhat recent model - if you count the stuffed one from the giant kit!- even Elves were gutted recently when it comes to models available. And some races have kits that are not really good for BB (or anything) like Lizzards, the Saurus models are so wimpy I haven't build a single one from the box I bought for BB conversions. Chaos Dwarves? If you're rich enough to hack FW stuff apart they might work, but not great.

Do we know from interviews how FW decided on what teams to do? Cyanide BB and KSs for dozens of alt teams, huge internet leagues, third party sellers...did they mine this treasure trove of market research opportunities?

Man, I sound cranky. Time to fully wake up

*I was/am waiting for a Minotaur I like and enough time to finish a CW sculpt and do two more. After GW plastic Minos and now the resin FW minis I think I really have to do one myself or try to cram Jason Hendrick's amazing ZCide one onto a much smaller base - I'm bummed that GW isn't headhunting guys like him, he single-handedly schooled everyone else about Minotaurs, rat monsters and "Trolls with big hands" with his Abominations. And monsters have long been GW's absolute weak point. No, sculptor I won't name, random folds on crudely shaped sticks are NOT how joints are supposed to work. Okay, I still sound cranky.

PS: I forgot to say it in my last post, that Stormfiend conversion is amazingly well done. Maybe I should give in and do a Skaven team, yes-yes, dirty one turn-turn TD tricks, good-good.

 Binabik15 wrote:
The 40k Grots and a metric ton of Gobbos, Gnoblars can be very good stand-ins.

GW have been lacking Goblin models that don't have hard to remove parts that identify them as 40k models or are in a distinctly "firing a gun" pose.

The WHFB Goblin kit is pretty terrible, they don't look too bad ranked up but individually the models look really awkward.

And Gnoblars look like arse, I never consider them good stand ins for Goblins

So I'm happy enough to see a plastic Goblin team, even though I'd prefer to see a plastic Lizardmen team that matches the video game aesthetic for Lizardmen.

 Binabik15 wrote:
...or try to cram Jason Hendrick's amazing ZCide one onto a much smaller base - I'm bummed that GW isn't headhunting guys like him, he single-handedly schooled everyone else about Minotaurs, rat monsters and "Trolls with big hands" with his Abominations.

I don't think I've seen those. Well, maybe the abominations - were those in the first Zombicide game?

And monsters have long been GW's absolute weak point. No, sculptor I won't name, random folds on crudely shaped sticks are NOT how joints are supposed to work. Okay, I still sound cranky.

Yes you do. You're not wrong, though!

Yeah. Is there a link to those figures(Jason Hendricks)?

Just google Zombicide Black Plague Abominations.



They're nice enough sculpts, but the plastic doesn't do them justice.

Scale shot of the new Rat Ogre next to Griff.. quite happy with now its in my hand.. still another one to go.

As a side note, went with Helmeted Griff, but the 'hair' seemed to good to waste.. then it hit me.. 'Surehanded' is back.

Just have to put this out there, the pics of the rat ogre don't do it justice. I was at Warhammer world over the weekend and saw the painted model, it actually looks quite good.

Why the goblin hate? They're not a top-tier team, but they certainly are fun. I don't play in big tournaments. I play in small leagues with friends. A goblin team in plastic will encourage me to replace the metal 2nd Ed one I already have because I bloody love the little guys.

As for the questions about plastics, the Goblins are the last official team mentioned in terms of plastic team boxes. Blood Bowl has sold well enough that it's a given that more teams will be produced in plastic now, but don't hold your breath on anything popping up any time soon. I imagine the focus will now shift to the resin teams (Nurgle confirmed, but there'll obviously be more) for a bit until GW can push more plastics into design and production.

 ekwatts wrote:
Why the goblin hate? They're not a top-tier team

Your second sentence answers your first. Many people can't imagine not picking the "best" team.

Goblins are tons of fun. (Just like your mom! heyyyy-oooo!) If they had G access as a regular skill up they'd be top tier.

Goblins are bottom tier next to Halflings and other garbage. Still fun garbage, and I would certainly like to see it in plastic. I like this game best as a casual game with friends, that's maybe the best way to play it.

By the pace new teams are released, I hope to finish painting the previous releases until next release. So far I'm 12 dwarves behind, 14 savage orcs behind and all the star players behind.

How come you get the new forge world stuff so quick? I ordered them and I see they're still up for pre-order, which means they'll ship in 2 days and hopefully I get it end of next week.

Is there some hidden trick to get new stuff before everyone else?

And what's up with warhammer world, I thought that was in january? At least Grak and Crumbleberry are listed as "Warhammer world exclusive" at ebay.

Still waiting for the new pitch from Forge World and disappointed they're silent even after the teasing in white dwarf:

Heavily hinted that this is another full plastic team, not an upgrade sprue or a Forgeworld effort by GW in the facebook comments.

That Rat Ogre looks awful. It's those (fake) muscle definition problems that I thought the AoS Fyreslayers also had.

For all most people on this forum claim GW are the masters at plastic model making, they seem to really struggle with muscles at the moment - and faces. Nearly everything released recently is hooded with goggles or metal masked. One of the few faces they did is that Ultramarine Primarch and that (as my grandmother would have said) looks as camp as Christmas.

We're going to see the human upgrades soon (finally)?

What does this mean? New tokens? New rules for yet another human team? New models for alternative human team?

Already waiting for:
-2x unique human blitzers
-2x unique Skaven Gutter Runners
-Deathroller
-Forgeworld Oldowl pitch
-re-stocking of winter pitch and dwarf/skaven pitch

At that point everything so far would be complete.

What do you expect when it comes to Star Player releases? How many will we see? There are about 60 Star Players in total, GW/FW has released 3 miniatures from the older rules and 2 miniatures with new rules (Grak & Crumbleberry). In addition they have 2 new star players in the app and 1 new star player in Deathzone Season 1.

Bright Crusaders sounds Brettonian to me. That would be cool.

A long time BB veteran says (guesses) it's High Elves.

 CragHack wrote:
A long time BB veteran says (guesses) it's High Elves.

It says in Death Zone Season one that they are a Human team.

Bright Crusaders are a human team which had such high standards they never foul or assist in fouls. As a result, their success was limited.

Bretonnia is something different, I've seen them foul on multiple occasions.

Rumors were lantern jawed optional heads for the Bright Crusaders I believe.

Not the same logo but there used to be a legendary team in earlier editions

Yeah same team, they have been there from the start pretty much, the joke play nice team.. they actually have stats and a special rule in the Season 1 book.

Have to wonder if that means we'll see the Orc team that appears at some point being the Orcland Raiders, as that was the Orc team with special rules in Season 1.

Yes, you will. They have horned helmets

No pic of the model yet.. but I guess he is due soon.. just shared on the BB facebook page.