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The 2 or 3 remaining Sisters players are just wishlisting, as usual."

Irritating no nothing Troll is irritating

 Mr Morden wrote:

The 2 or 3 remaining Sisters players are just wishlisting, as usual."

Irritating no nothing Troll is irritating

Well some people just can't face the reality so rather hide from it in denial.

Commissar Benny wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

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Commissar Benny wrote:
[Games Workshop has been putting alot of emphasis on getting rid of the remainder of the IG pewter range.

Thus far all the old IG models are the only ones who have been available for made to order.

Additionally, Astra Militarum has been featured on the front page the past few days and now today the above images are shown.

Many guard players have been asking for plastic models of their regiment almost as long as SoB players who are now confirmed to be getting plastic models.

Is it reasonable to expect that we might actually be seeing Steel Legion, Mordian, Tallarn, Praetorian etc regiments make a return in plastic with all of the awesome stuff GW has been doing lately?

There is so much wrong with this entire post, it's pretty ridiculous.

GW has had the exact same 10-man Tallarn Infantry Squad (with ML & Plasma Gun) continuously available since 2nd Edition, without any change except for price. There has never been a push to get rid of that range, nor the other core Valhallan / Mordian / ASL ranges. They have lost a number of option models (i.e. Heavy Weapons and alt Specials), but still around.

GW tested the "Made to Order" concept with IG stuff that they thought might sell. That doesn't say anything about getting rid of them. If anything, it's a sign of support that allowed IG players to fill gaps in their armies.

AM has been up because M2O made a big splash and got people to buy stuff, notably metal Kasrkin.

IG players have been asking for plastics for a long time, but at no point have plastic Sisters been confirmed with a release date, kits or prices. The 2 or 3 remaining Sisters players are just wishlisting, as usual.

It is not particularly reasonable, given that most IG players already have their armies. At most, we might see GW relaunch regiments with head & body bitz conversion sets like the Black Templars and Dark Angels, but full, alternate ranges? Probably not after the Catachan experience, when GW tried to support both ranges as full ranges.

What is likely is to see GW do more and more of these M2O specials, where people can get Praetorians, etc. all at once, goosing GW's margins for a quick cash grab. And besides, everybody knows the real money is in Diazettes. But really, GW is going to focus on all-new stuff that people don't have (Custodes, SoS) over stuff that people already own (metal IG, SoB).

"IG players have been asking for plastics for a long time, but at no point have plastic Sisters been confirmed with a release date, kits or prices. The 2 or 3 remaining Sisters players are just wishlisting, as usual."

Didn't GW say sisters are a few months out in their teaser? Didn't Lady Atia confirm sisters are coming in plastic? Has he/she ever been wrong?

"GW has had the exact same 10-man Tallarn Infantry Squad (with ML & Plasma Gun) continuously available since 2nd Edition, without any change except for price. There has never been a push to get rid of that range, nor the other core Valhallan / Mordian / ASL ranges. They have lost a number of option models (i.e. Heavy Weapons and alt Specials), but still around."

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You're correct, they are still around but most are temporarily out of stock. Meaning quantities are low. Didn't GW do the same thing prior to most of the sisters line going OOP?

"It is not particularly reasonable, given that most IG players already have their armies. At most, we might see GW relaunch regiments with head & body bitz conversion sets like the Black Templars and Dark Angels, but full, alternate ranges? Probably not after the Catachan experience, when GW tried to support both ranges as full ranges."

Which is why it is important GW add incentive to playing different regiments. Each IG regiment use to have regiment specific benefits. Each space marine chapter does. Not sure why it is that unreasonable for the IG to reflect the lore. You are correct, the catachan line likely did not sell as well as GW hoped. I can tell you why I didn't start them. Skin. Like 90% of catachan models have muscle/skin which at least in my experience is very very difficult to paint. Plus you have to add scars, tattoos etc etc. I personally think that played a large role in why players chose not to play them. Their lore is awesome and their sculpts are pretty decent. I have seen many IG players using DKoK. Clearly there is interest for alternative regiments if there are so many players willing to pay FW prices for the DKoK aesthetic.

Has anybody ever been right about plastic Sisters? In the past 15-plus years since GW first started converting metal to plastic (Catachans, Cadians) and launching all-new plastics (e.g. DE, Kroot)? Ever? Nope. It's all talk and wishlisting until they're up on the shelves at the GW store.

I didn't buy any of my Sisters off the GW webstore when GW shrank the line, so I really wouldn't be able to say one way or another. But now that some of the IG stuff is "temporarily" not available, I'm curious as to what GW will do.

GW had IG doctines for a very short amount of time, and then *poof!* gone from the last actual "Imperial Guard" Codex, and still gone from the new replacement Codex. While there is some interest in alternate looks, it's not at all obvious that it would sell en masse to justify a new line.

If we accept that the bloom is off the rose, and GW is in a holding pattern, then relaunching existing product that people already own makes zero economic sense compared to new product that nobody owns. That's why we got Sisters of Silence instead of Sisters of Battle. And Custodes. And everything packaged as limited run board games for GW to grab the money while it's hot and not carry product SKUs afterward.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

If we accept that the bloom is off the rose, and GW is in a holding pattern, then relaunching existing product that people already own makes zero economic sense compared to new product that nobody owns. That's why we got Sisters of Silence instead of Sisters of Battle. And Custodes. And everything packaged as limited run board games for GW to grab the money while it's hot and not carry product SKUs afterward.

Literally every 40k board game that has come out in the past few years has subsequently been partitioned into kits for individual units that are still available. If you're going to barge into threads to troll Sisters players and generally be rude, at least don't be easily proven wrong too.

I'm sorry that you think it's "rude" to state facts.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If we accept that the bloom is off the rose, and GW is in a holding pattern, then relaunching existing product that people already own makes zero economic sense compared to new product that nobody owns. That's why we got Sisters of Silence instead of Sisters of Battle. And Custodes. And everything packaged as limited run board games for GW to grab the money while it's hot and not carry product SKUs afterward.

GW more than hinted at them and we have source that has pretty much 100% record(if Atia has ever been wrong I don't know. Haven't heard one but albeit something might have slipped me) says they are coming. You think Atia is going to start inventing rumours now?

Keep deluding yourself if you wish though. Not sure what you have to gain by denying truth though but guess it's fun for some people to live in denial.

And the board game contents have had funny habit of coming into brand new boxes...SKU limitation as if. They are expanding SKU's like there's no tomorow.

Can Atia actually show anything? Or is it just talk?

I would totally love to see new regiments, i personally like the cadians, but the catachans? gosh no. they're truly awful sculpts. so cadians were the only choice i had in terms of guard

I think cadians fulfill GW's needs as far as selling IG and they are more likely to long for safer crash makers in my opinion. But that'd be so sweet to have plastic, non-clone Vahallans!

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
I think cadians fulfill GW's needs as far as selling IG and they are more likely to long for safer crash makers in my opinion. But that'd be so sweet to have plastic, non-clone Vahallans!

I just park this here.



https://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/soviet-winter-infantry-plastic-box-set

40 for $48. Your call if you need to swap in las guns or if they can just be a regiment that uses autoguns.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
I think cadians fulfill GW's needs as far as selling IG and they are more likely to long for safer crash makers in my opinion. But that'd be so sweet to have plastic, non-clone Vahallans!

I just park this here.



https://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/soviet-winter-infantry-plastic-box-set

40 for $48. Your call if you need to swap in las guns or if they can just be a regiment that uses autoguns.

I can vouch for this, Ive done this conversion myself and it looks cool. Keep in mind there's only 25 greatcoat bodies in the box annoyingly. The rest are quilted uniforms. Not a huge deal if you catch them on sale or use the quilted uniforms to start a Bolt Action force (which I heartily recommend, V2 is amazing) but it's good to point out.

Victoria Lamb and Mad Robot weapons scale with the Warlord stuff the best. I'll look up the post I made in P&M some time tomorrow so you can see how they look.

Here's the link http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/688918.page

Say did you ever paint those guys?

Also can do put up a pic next to a GW figure so we can see proportions?

Speaking of Vic's I never noticed this, female dress uniforms and modular 5 model kits...

http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/product/tannenburg-fusiliers-universal-5-woman-squad



Just the thing to spice up my Mordian regiment...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Can Atia actually show anything? Or is it just talk?

Just check Atia's post.

That source has so high rate of accuracy that to disbelieve is deluding yourself. Why Atia would suddenly start inventing stuff up?

Atia's word is about as good as WD.

Ah screw that. Atia makes less errors than WD.

I just wish GW would do something with the IG kits. I can't count the number of times the SM tactical squad has been redone since we got the Cadian squad.

Does anyone else think the "Start Collecting" set for IG should be a decent sized platoon kit?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
I think cadians fulfill GW's needs as far as selling IG and they are more likely to long for safer crash makers in my opinion. But that'd be so sweet to have plastic, non-clone Vahallans!

I just park this here.



https://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/soviet-winter-infantry-plastic-box-set

40 for $48. Your call if you need to swap in las guns or if they can just be a regiment that uses autoguns.

As if i hadn't thought about this

I collect an old metal regiment (Praetorians ftw!), and honestly, I'd rather see GW either develop completely new IG plastics, or overhaul the Cadians, rather than dive into the more niche regiments.

The basic Cadian box is simply underwhelming. Oversized models, a shameful lack of options, and dorky looking heads. Here's my dream IG release:

New Cadian infantry box: 10 models, with one flamer, GL, Melta, Plasma, and sniper rifle. Sergeant weapons, including power weapons, vox, and missile launcher.

Cadian heavy weapon squad: three heavy weapon crews, three each of the heavy weapons, tank commander bitz

Cadian command: bitz to build PCS/CCS, specialized kit, shotguns, etc.

That leaves a few kits left for a vendetta/vulture upgrade sprue, and plastic rough riders.

 Polonius wrote:
I collect an old metal regiment (Praetorians ftw!), and honestly, I'd rather see GW either develop completely new IG plastics, or overhaul the Cadians, rather than dive into the more niche regiments.

The basic Cadian box is simply underwhelming. Oversized models, a shameful lack of options, and dorky looking heads. Here's my dream IG release:

New Cadian infantry box: 10 models, with one flamer, GL, Melta, Plasma, and sniper rifle. Sergeant weapons, including power weapons, vox, and missile launcher.

Cadian heavy weapon squad: three heavy weapon crews, three each of the heavy weapons, tank commander bitz

Cadian command: bitz to build PCS/CCS, specialized kit, shotguns, etc.

That leaves a few kits left for a vendetta/vulture upgrade sprue, and plastic rough riders.

I wouldn't mind Cadians getting new models provided some of the other regiments get some love. Cadian players at least have the opportunity/option to purchase from Forgeworld (Full page) if they aren't happy with the existing models whereas most of the other regiments have none.



I can understand why some IG players might not have interest in seeing the other regiments supported in plastic but I think it would be a missed opportunity on GW's part. As I mentioned earlier, if catachans were GW's testbed for seeing if there is interest in additional regiments in plastic it was not a good indicator. I remember back when I first started IG I wanted to start a catachan army but was intimidated by the amount of skin I would have to paint. I doubt that is something GW even considered. Catchan players probably face more scrutiny on their painting than any other player in the game because they are human and we know what skin is supposed to look like and their models are all skin. If it looks off, the entire army is going to look goofy. I commend anyone who plays catachans because that would be a nightmare to paint. I'm sure I was not the only IG player reluctant to start catachans for this reason.

The other reasons I think its economically feasible is because if the lore were reflected, regimental doctrines would make a return and existing IG players would have incentive to collect additional regiments to change up their play style. In 3rd edition every regiment had unique rules. Fighting chaos? Who better to bring than Cadians who fight outside the eye of terror every day. Fighting in dense jungle? Bring some catachans and get move through cover and better cover saves in terrain. Fighting a Waagh? Best bring some Steel Legion. I think it would be a great way generating new & old interest in the army. If that evidence isn't enough, just think of all the 3rd party companies making a living off all the unsupported IG lines and the amount of interest DKoK generates. Forgeworld prices are pretty steep, and collecting an entire regiment of DKoK is quite the investment.

About the only thing that would really sell would be Greatcoat Guard, something that people have been asking for a long time. If GW won't launch those, it's not happening.

But even if they did, if they aren't in scale with my 2E metals, I'm not buying. And if they matched scale, I might only buy a single box. Already having 100s of metal IG, I just won't buy more.

Off of Polonius said it's just shameful to compare Cadians to Empire Handgunners (or whatever they're called now).

Gunners get 2 choices of basic weapon, gun or crossbow, several special weapons including a sniper rifle and gattling gun, about 20 heads with a lot variation, a flag, musical instruments and various grubbings.

Imagine that for an IG kit, 10 lasguns or shotguns, all 5 special weapons, a missile launcher, 20 heads...

I haven't gotten the GS cultists yet but I imagine they're also overwhemingly well equipped.

For inspiration I'd tell GW to look to the original Necromunda Spiders or metal Cadians both of which had a great sci-fi cannon fodder look.

Actually for me a real ideal kit would be 20 models, one-piece bodies legs and arms with multiple heads and a few armless figures for making specialists. One obstacle for IG is the sheer amount of assembling you have to do so get minis that are basically posed the same.

One-piece bodies also allow for more natural and ironically more varied poses. Compare the diversity in metal Cadian poses to the sameness of the current guys - squatting, gun held across the stomach without aiming.

@KK, I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong about the Empire Handgunners kit.

Empire Handgunners included unrelated options for Halberds (with separate heads!) and Shields, with Command bitz and Handgun bitz, but no special weapons at all. If you wanted the Repeater Handgun or Hochland Long Rifle, you had to special order them as individual models from the Von Zeppel Steam Tank.


If we extended that model to the Imperial Guard, they would include CCW, Hunting Lances and Power Mauls. The Handguns would be included as a separate sprue. The Special Weapons would be a separate blister at best, but more likely something you'd have to scavenge out of a Leman Russ variant upgrade sprue.

You might be thinking of the old 5th edition Empire dual kit, which was a swordsmen/Halbredier plastic frame, with hand gun and cross bow metal bits.

the current kit makes both crossbowmen and handgunners, and includes full command with at least the Hochland long rifle:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Empire-State-Handgunners

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Say did you ever paint those guys?

Also can do put up a pic next to a GW figure so we can see proportions?

Speaking of Vic's I never noticed this, female dress uniforms and modular 5 model kits...

http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/product/tannenburg-fusiliers-universal-5-woman-squad



Just the thing to spice up my Mordian regiment...

Haven't painted them yet, I'm deciding on whether I want to stick with mk1 rifles or use the fancy new lasguns I picked up from a new victoria Lamb order. Also, I was waiting on new melta guns to try with them, and man am I glad I did. For those of you who don't recognize every model in the pics below, you can click on them to view the description in the gallery.

BRACE FOR (crappy) PICTURES




So yeah, compared to the old way I had them here, I'd say it's a pretty big improvement.


The biggest thing about the Warlord models is that they are very dynamic compared to the GW and Victoria lamb sculpts. What I mean by that is that while they seem a bit small, it's because they're all hunched over and running or crouching. Were these guys to stand up straight, they'd actually be about the same size as normal GW or Victoria Lamb guard.




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Sadly I do not own any of the old metal Valahallans, which I imagine is the critical comparison most people want to see.

 Polonius wrote:
You might be thinking of the old 5th edition Empire dual kit, which was a swordsmen/Halbredier plastic frame, with hand gun and cross bow metal bits.

Nah, that's the only Empire Handgunner set that was available when I was buying during 6E. It did not make Crossbowmen at all - that was a separate boxed set, which I also own. Yes, it was introduced back in 5E, back when Empire had access to Imperial Dragons for true and proper Herohammer play.

The main point was to note that GW reconfigures things all the time, and how GW has changed their approach to kits.

Thanks Polonius, I thought I was going nuts for a minute there.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

The main point was to note that GW reconfigures things all the time, and how GW has changed their approach to kits.

Yeah and it's well past the time the circa 2001 Cadians got an update!

Geeze I remember when they were new.
Geeze I remember the jokes we'd make waiting for them to come out.
One of the most disappointing kits I've gotten.




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 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:


As if i hadn't thought about this

Well stop thinking and do it!

I mean wishlist threads like this are fun but the fact is most of what we're wishlisting for available either as plastic historicals or as resin from Vics or Mad Robot.

This really is the golden age of miniatures.


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@MrMoustaffa, the new meltas are a big improvement, can't wait to see these painted. You can always use both sets of las guns, one set for Platoon A (who got the shinny new guns from the forge world) one for Platoon B (who got the tested and true guns that have been in use for 700 years).

@KK - sorry, I figured you'd been into Fantasy long enough to know what I was talking about.

And yes, the plastic Cadians (and Catachans) are simply awful. While they are overdue for replacement, I'm pretty skeptical we'll get a redo when GW can just whip up a giant new shiny kit and sell that instead.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thanks Polonius, I thought I was going nuts for a minute there.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

The main point was to note that GW reconfigures things all the time, and how GW has changed their approach to kits.

Yeah and it's well past the time the circa 2001 Cadians got an update!

Geeze I remember when they were new.
Geeze I remember the jokes we'd make waiting for them to come out.
One of the most disappointing kits I've gotten.




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 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:


As if i hadn't thought about this

Well stop thinking and do it!

I mean wishlist threads like this are fun but the fact is most of what we're wishlisting for available either as plastic historicals or as resin from Vics or Mad Robot.

This really is the golden age of miniatures.


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@MrMoustaffa, the new meltas are a big improvement, can't wait to see these painted. You can always use both sets of las guns, one set for Platoon A (who got the shinny new guns from the forge world) one for Platoon B (who got the tested and true guns that have been in use for 700 years).

Crap I guess I really need to paint them if the mods are getting onto me about it.

I'll get them primed tomorrow before classes and we'll see how it goes

Yeah we got rules here, get those painted in 6 months or face the ban hammer!