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 CragHack wrote:
A detachment...that nobody uses, because it's designed for apocalypse play.
Few KINDA OK and one pretty good, maybe even cheesy and with a no-brainer-not-to-buy-daemon-models, formations.
Relics...that are pretty much useless, except for Kabe's Herald, which is also situational.
Tactical objectives...well, finally, everyone else ALREADY HAD THEM.
An Altar of War... when everyone plays single Maelstorm.

WOW.

Would be great if the Archmagos passed it's invul to the Knights and it stacked with ion shields tho :>

I never said it was GOOD content. GW doesn't give a toss whether the rules they put out are good. They give the Kauyon content for Tau and """""""Updated"""""" Waaagh Ghazghkull for orks and go "Ok, well that's Tau and Orks sorted for a while, good job boys let's go get a pint!"

I wasn't explaining why Cadians and Black Legion don't DESERVE content in "Campaign: Black Legion vs Cadia", I'm saying why they won't get it. There's a difference!

(Also, you forgot Volkov's Cane, which is amazing, and the super-poisoned laspistol, which is hilarious. Plus even if the detachment is gak, I've had great success/fun with 4-5 of the formations. Emp Wrath, Spear, Blade, Psykana, and the Sentinel one are all great.)

the_scotsman wrote:
I never said it was GOOD content. GW doesn't give a toss whether the rules they put out are good. They give the Kauyon content for Tau and """""""Updated"""""" Waaagh Ghazghkull for orks and go "Ok, well that's Tau and Orks sorted for a while, good job boys let's go get a pint!"

Sorry for being off topic here but how much do these "writers" get paid yearly at GW? I mean the work they do, it's not that much so how do they survive on a salary or working at GW yearly since I can't see GW paying all these workers more than $10 000 Canadian so that would be what 5000 pounds a year? The work they do especially in the rules and then fluff writing is a lot of regurgitation so what are they actually doing at GW besides having pints? The new stuff that they do release no way incurs a salary of $50 000 Canadian or 25 000 pounds a year work then multiply that by how many people they have working there now.

Now back on topic. I take it GW has stopped doing the Campaign book, box set about campaign then campaign book? It started with Storm Claw, then Shield of Baal, then it stopped. Yes they released what Deathmasque without a campaign books in beginning and end. If GW is still doing campaigns it would have been nice if they kept with the campaign box set in the middle. This way those armies would have gotten something nice and the "exclusive" mini.

No, I don't think Wulfen had a box set. The last couple (Tau one and SW one) were basically 1 campaign book, then a second book concluding the campaign with different units involved.

So it was Tau vs SM, then FSE vs Guard, and it was SW vs Daemons, then Thousand Sons plus some Daemon stuff.

Were I a man inclined to betting, I would predict (and hope!):

-Book 1 as we know

-Book 2 detailing sudden and inevitable betrayal by the Dank Elder, sisters led by resurrected celestine save the day.

twould be nice! But who am I kidding, it'll probably be GW deciding ultramarines don't have enough content because there's not a specifically called out as only ultramarine decurion, versus khorne-aligned chaos with an ALL NEW khorne decurion!

Davor wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I never said it was GOOD content. GW doesn't give a toss whether the rules they put out are good. They give the Kauyon content for Tau and """""""Updated"""""" Waaagh Ghazghkull for orks and go "Ok, well that's Tau and Orks sorted for a while, good job boys let's go get a pint!"

Sorry for being off topic here but how much do these "writers" get paid yearly at GW? I mean the work they do, it's not that much so how do they survive on a salary or working at GW yearly since I can't see GW paying all these workers more than $10 000 Canadian so that would be what 5000 pounds a year? The work they do especially in the rules and then fluff writing is a lot of regurgitation so what are they actually doing at GW besides having pints? The new stuff that they do release no way incurs a salary of $50 000 Canadian or 25 000 pounds a year work then multiply that by how many people they have working there now.

Now back on topic. I take it GW has stopped doing the Campaign book, box set about campaign then campaign book? It started with Storm Claw, then Shield of Baal, then it stopped. Yes they released what Deathmasque without a campaign books in beginning and end. If GW is still doing campaigns it would have been nice if they kept with the campaign box set in the middle. This way those armies would have gotten something nice and the "exclusive" mini.

Have you ever worked in an office? It's basically meeting after meeting discussing what your going to do with a handful of hours spent looking busy doing repetitive work every week. I am sure they make more then you are expecting for the little they actually produce as new content. I also bet several of them if not most of them would love to have more creative free reign to actually write new rules/fluff but I can assure you they probably have board rooms of panels that are holding their hands on every decision.

the_scotsman wrote:
twould be nice! But who am I kidding, it'll probably be GW deciding ultramarines don't have enough content because there's not a specifically called out as only ultramarine decurion, versus khorne-aligned chaos with an ALL NEW khorne decurion!

ow. that was physically painful to read.

 ZoBo wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
twould be nice! But who am I kidding, it'll probably be GW deciding ultramarines don't have enough content because there's not a specifically called out as only ultramarine decurion, versus khorne-aligned chaos with an ALL NEW khorne decurion!

ow. that was physically painful to read.

Search your feelings. you know it to be true.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Have you ever worked in an office? It's basically meeting after meeting discussing what your going to do with a handful of hours spent looking busy doing repetitive work every week. I am sure they make more then you are expecting for the little they actually produce as new content. I also bet several of them if not most of them would love to have more creative free reign to actually write new rules/fluff but I can assure you they probably have board rooms of panels that are holding their hands on every decision.

Never worked in an office so not a clue.

Anyone see today's Regimental Standard? Looks like the Imperium may have more than just Chaos to worry about on Cadia:

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/01/04/no-necrons-on-cadia-study-finds/

I wonder if this could be an indication that we'll be getting some sort of Necron release in the near future. But then again there's definitely, certainly no Necrons on Cadia, so there's probably nothing to worry about. The pylons are just big natural structures and there are no strange aliens walking around Cadia. Nope. Not a single one. Move along.

I have to say, I am enjoying this new marketing campaign.
I especially liked the footnote at the bottom

Author of the popular research journals ‘Hrud Migrations: Nature’s great plague’, and the partially completed ‘There are no Wolves on Fenris’, ended prematurely following the untimely death of Xeno Biologis Orthion Casus in an unfortunate mauling incident.

GW has gained awareness.

guru wrote:

Spoiler:

Is it just me or does the paintjob make the scion/stormtroopers look a LOT more badass than the black templars?


Also, is it just me or does the fluff with this looks like it's going to be terrible, horrible, awful? Like, after the Blood Angel brofists, are we going to see Celestine high-five Trazyn while flirting with a wulfen? Have Sisters lost their legendary alignment to the most puritanical interpretation of the Imperial dogma? They used to have trouble to deal with marines, as they were too closed to mutation (spitting acid and all that) and heresy (the Emperor not being a god) ffs! They ought to have purged every wulfen they ever got in contact with. And Necron, and Eldar. And also give very bad look to the Mechanicus guys and gals.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

guru wrote:

Spoiler:

Is it just me or does the paintjob make the scion/stormtroopers look a LOT more badass than the black templars?


Also, is it just me or does the fluff with this looks like it's going to be terrible, horrible, awful? Like, after the Blood Angel brofists, are we going to see Celestine high-five Trazyn while flirting with a wulfen? Have Sisters lost their legendary alignment to the most puritanical interpretation of the Imperial dogma? They used to have trouble to deal with marines, as they were too closed to mutation (spitting acid and all that) and heresy (the Emperor not being a god) ffs! They ought to have purged every wulfen they ever got in contact with. And Necron, and Eldar. And also give very bad look to the Mechanicus guys and gals.

I think the Sisters should be more purgey of the Wulfen, but I think the fluff will be fine. I think it's more a "Work with the Xenos over letting Abaddon sieze all of Cadia and it's resources".

It'd be cool if towards the end Necrons just burst forth from the ground and start exterminating everyone on the planet. It gives the Templars more abominations to meet out the Emperors mercy with.

The twist could be that Cadia was a Tomb World all along.
Of course, that would be a bit silly, as surely they would have noticed the vast alien civilisation underneath them. What, you mean in all those thousands of years they didn't think to dig down? That's dumb.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The twist could be that Cadia was a Tomb World all along.
Of course, that would be a bit silly, as surely they would have noticed the vast alien civilisation underneath them. What, you mean in all those thousands of years they didn't think to dig down? That's dumb.

I'd reckon the Inquisition/High Lords would have been aware of it but prevented any further digging on the planet? It could easily be prohibited for organisations to excavate a large amount of land, many Inquisitors have been studying the pylons, the official reports probably just say they don't know what they are.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The twist could be that Cadia was a Tomb World all along.
Of course, that would be a bit silly, as surely they would have noticed the vast alien civilisation underneath them. What, you mean in all those thousands of years they didn't think to dig down? That's dumb.

I'd reckon the Inquisition/High Lords would have been aware of it but prevented any further digging on the planet? It could easily be prohibited for organisations to excavate a large amount of land, many Inquisitors have been studying the pylons, the official reports probably just say they don't know what they are.

Then why didn't they destroy it? Send in some maintenance workers (deathwatch in clever disguise) to clear rubble for mining operations (planting nukes / C4 / an unusually flatulent sheep)

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The twist could be that Cadia was a Tomb World all along.
Of course, that would be a bit silly, as surely they would have noticed the vast alien civilisation underneath them. What, you mean in all those thousands of years they didn't think to dig down? That's dumb.

I'd reckon the Inquisition/High Lords would have been aware of it but prevented any further digging on the planet? It could easily be prohibited for organisations to excavate a large amount of land, many Inquisitors have been studying the pylons, the official reports probably just say they don't know what they are.

Then why didn't they destroy it? Send in some maintenance workers (deathwatch in clever disguise) to clear rubble for mining operations (planting nukes / C4 / an unusually flatulent sheep)

Im just picturing a load of 7 foot tall Deathwatch marines just walking by civilians but with orange overalls over their armour. "Nothing to see here folks, just gotta check the pipes."

Edit: Don't you have to Exterminatus to destroy a Tomb World? If the pylons are Necron tech and linked to the Eye of Terror then I imagine if there was a Tomb World, it would run pretty deep in and across the planet, blowing one part might disturb and awaken the whole lot,

 Darth Bob wrote:
Anyone see today's Regimental Standard? Looks like the Imperium may have more than just Chaos to worry about on Cadia:

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/01/04/no-necrons-on-cadia-study-finds/

I wonder if this could be an indication that we'll be getting some sort of Necron release in the near future. But then again there's definitely, certainly no Necrons on Cadia, so there's probably nothing to worry about. The pylons are just big natural structures and there are no strange aliens walking around Cadia. Nope. Not a single one. Move along.

The Regimental Standard is always good for a chuckle As much as I would love a new plastic Trayzn model I don't think there's going to be anything soon. He's featured fairly prominently in the WD and now in the Standard as his existing model. Maybe alongside a future volume if he sticks around?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The twist could be that Cadia was a Tomb World all along.
Of course, that would be a bit silly, as surely they would have noticed the vast alien civilisation underneath them. What, you mean in all those thousands of years they didn't think to dig down? That's dumb.

I'd reckon the Inquisition/High Lords would have been aware of it but prevented any further digging on the planet? It could easily be prohibited for organisations to excavate a large amount of land, many Inquisitors have been studying the pylons, the official reports probably just say they don't know what they are.

Then why didn't they destroy it? Send in some maintenance workers (deathwatch in clever disguise) to clear rubble for mining operations (planting nukes / C4 / an unusually flatulent sheep)

Why would they be looking underground when there's something more actively threatening and tangible above their heads?

Most Necron structures are made of living metal and reinforced with incredibly sophisticated technological defenses. You can't just blow it up. If that were the case, Necron fleets wouldn't be as devastating for the Imperium to deal with. That, and they have more important things to worry about. They're in the literal eye of the storm for Chaos activity. They don't have the time nor, I imagine, inclination to spend much time digging up lost forgotten empires that may or may not have horrible alien evils in them. Assuming the High Lords/Inquisition know it's Necrons, they wouldn't want to wake them up if they're still dormant and cause yet another problem in that sector. And if they don't know, why would they bother digging it up?

Not to mention, if you subscribe to the idea that there's some kind of Necron shenanigans going on on Mars, or look at the numerous other surprise Tomb Worlds that the Imperium has had to deal with, it's not all that hard to imagine the same thing happening to Cadia given the glaring distractions they have.

Cadia isn't a Tomb World: it's a World Tomb; a Necron tomb the size of a planet. And it happens to also be Trazyn's archive.
But why would he build his stronghold so close to the old Eldar homeworld?
How else was he going to collect the Warp Spider Phoenix Lord?

Cadia is really Trazyn's summer home. This was all orchestrated by him so he can guests over for tea
(And steal their stuff)

Urrrghh the Necron hype, Terminator soundtrack on repeat.

End prediction: some mumbo jumbo happens to the pylons, sends out a signal to all remaining Tomb Worlds...... Play Sound of Silence for the Imperium.

I just want some solid info on how the Crusader detachment works already. I play Sisters and have already started collecting Black Templars before I knew they were in this book so now I just need to know how that mess works so I know if I need to tailor my future shopping list or if I can build two separate armies using the new options.

Off topic, but the Pylons specifically prevent the eye from spreading, correct? If that is their actual purpose, then they were not constructed by the Necrons, as the war with the Eldar ended and the necrons began hibernating before the eye was created from the birth of Slaanesh. Why would they have built them if there wasn't an eye at the time? (I could have my time-lines way off here)

Saint Cele and her gals look superb. If they do eventually release a full range of plastic sisters, I'll have to start collecting (note collecting; not playing, building or painting) another army. They will be in queue to get built and painted around 2033.

Iirc, In the old necron fluff, its implied that the C'tan constructed the pylons to try to form a vast anti-psychic network, so as to separate the immaterium from the materium. They were forced into hibernation before they could finish.

Of course, after the 5th codex that's not really the case any more, as the anti-warp aspect is barely touched upon and the C'tan are now pokemon.
I suspect that this whole campaign is just there to clog up that gaping plot hole.

I think Trazyn is one of the best characters in 40k as a whole
Hes a Necron Phaeron (Well hes an Overlord, but runs his own little empire Like a Phaeron) WHO KNOWS SARCASM
SARCASM! Of ALL things!

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Hereticus came post-Apostasy

That was changed some years ago - they only went to public after the Apostasy.

Where's that from? All the sources I can find still refer to them as being founded during/in response to the Age of Apostasy.

Codex: Inquisition and Codex: Imperial Agents (same text).

For the first few millennia of its existence, the Ordo Hereticus was but a rumour even to other Inquisitors, so fanatically was its secrecy guarded. All this came to an end following the Age of Apostasy, when it was decided that the Ordo would serve better by casting an intimidating shadow, rather than existing as a myth too easily ignored. As the Ecclesiarchy flourished, so too did the Ordo Hereticus grow with it, for nothing piques an Inquisitor’s suspicion more readily than a holy man claiming to speak with the Emperor’ s voice.

From the WD:

The Fall of Cadia story is accompanied by four Echoes of War missions, which enable you to recreate the story on the battlefield. The first battle is between Belisarius Cawl and the Orks on Eriad VI, the second takes place in the bowels of the Phalanx where Daemons run riot, while the third and fourth missions are fought on Cadia itself. The fourth scenario, the Emperor Protects, we actually play through later in this issue (here). The scenarios are accompanied by two new Detachments, one representing a combined army of the Imperium, and another the combined forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus. There are also a host of other special rules in the book, including datasheets for all three new characters, a new formation featuring the Triumvirate, new relics and arcana for the Ecclesiarchy and the Adeptus Mechanicus respectively, Inquisition Tactical Objectives and the Empyric Storm chart.

 Darth Bob wrote:
Anyone see today's Regimental Standard? Looks like the Imperium may have more than just Chaos to worry about on Cadia:

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/01/04/no-necrons-on-cadia-study-finds/

I wonder if this could be an indication that we'll be getting some sort of Necron release in the near future. But then again there's definitely, certainly no Necrons on Cadia, so there's probably nothing to worry about. The pylons are just big natural structures and there are no strange aliens walking around Cadia. Nope. Not a single one. Move along.

That's a good one!

Whaaaaaa....?