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Hey guys playing a friend who runs Tyrnids on saturday and im trying to tune up this army please help me out if you have any suggestions thank you.


Chaos Daemons Army List 2500 Nurgle / Khorne

HQ

1. Bloodthirster - Points 295.
(IH,DF,DMN,FC,DS,BOBG,UM)

2. ku,Gath The Plaguefather - Points 300.
(NT,DMN,FNP,S&P,COF,AOD,BOC,Necrotic missiles,Nurgling Infestation)

Elites

1. 5 Bloodcrushers of Khorne - Points 210.
(IH,HB,DMN,FC,FOK 1)

2. 5 Beast of Nurgle - Points 185.
(DMN,RPA,FNP,S&P,NT 1)

Troops

1. 2 squads of 10 Khorne Bloodletters - Points 340.
(DMN,FC,HB,FOK 1)

2. 2 squads of 10 Plaugebearers of Nurgle - Points 320.
(PS,DMN,FNP,S&P,NT 1)

Fast Attack

1. 10 flesh hounds of Khorne 1 Karnak - Points 210.
(BOBG,DMN,FC,FOK 1) - Karnak (FOK,BOBG,IOC,DMN,FC,POBG)

Heavy Support

1. Soul Grinder Of Chaos - Points 185.
(DMN,Vomit,Fleet,Phlegm,tongue)

2. Soul Grinder of Chaos - Points 185.
(DMN,Vomit,Fleet,Phlegm,Tongue)

3. Daemon Prince of Chaos - Points 270.
(DF,IH,UM,MON,NT,BOC)



DMN = Daemon
IH = Iron Hide
DF = Demonic Flight
UM = Unholy Might
FC = Furious Charge
DS = Death Strike
NT = Noxious Touch
FNP = Feel no pain
S&P = Slow and pourposeful
CoF= Cloud of Flies
AoD = Aura of decay
BOC = Breath of Chaos
HB = Hellblade
FOK = Fury of Khorne
RPA = Random Posioned attacks
PS = Plaugesword
BOBG = Blessing of the Blood God
POBG = Pray of the Blood God
IOC = Insturment of Chaos
MON = Mark of Nurge

Well Im not a huge fan of tailoing lists to fight your opponent, here are some tips that work well against nids, but in general can be used in any competetive deamon build.

1. Use Skulltaker. Those big bugs die on a 4+ if he gets into them, they die outright. He is also useful vs T. wolf cavalry and all the new Blood Angel charachters soon to hit the table.

2. Deamon prince of Nurgle, I would take 2. I would also cut own the points. Since you have Nox. touch and you wound on 2+ you dont need Unholy might, save the points. Also, Breath is OK on the princes, but not neccesary. You get one shot and then you charge into melee. A lot of times I dont shoot it anyways, because I want to assault and I dont want my opponent to pull casualties so I cant make melee. I understand you could use it the turn you arrive, but generally it will be difficult to deepstrike within range, risking 240+ points.

I like the blood crushers and soulgrinder in the list. I would put Skulltaker on a Jug. Also I would downgrade Kugath to a Great Unclean One. He will be just fine and save you 140 or so points. Give him cloud of lfies and you are set.

Alright thanks for the help but since i would be using 2 greater daemons i wouldent be able to run skulltaker with my current list even if i downgrade to uncleen one wich of the greater daemons would you so i lose ?

I dont think a skulltaker is needed with this list. Skulltaker is weaker with less wounds, and is really quite tough to use.

Another thing is you have gone too crazy with your upgrades. Not all the units need every upgrade. Go with tounge or phlegm not both in the soul grinders. I would reccomend phlegm as BS 3 doesnt work well with tounge. Either get noxious touch or unholy might, not both. I would remove death strike on the bloodthirster. You might use it once, maybe its not worth the points.

Versus nids i would highly recommend aura of decay on your Daemon Prince. The 6" radius range is very good for thinning out gaunts or swarms of units.

I think kugath is a good choice specifically vs nids. Necrotic missiles, nurgling infestation, cloud of flies, and aura of decay will be extremely usefull.

I personally dont like flesh hounds and i would add more troops instead, but thats really personal opinion.

Might i ask what the waves will be?

Hey thank you for the input i just got this army started so i am looking for help i am toneing this list down and over the flesh hounds what would you do im assuming just a squad of plaugebearers and a squad of bloodletters ontop of that i have cut down on allot of points this will actualy be my first real game running chaos daemons

Unless you are in love with your list or don't want to get new models, I would check out this list. It can be created for a fairly cheap. Use Vampire Count Zombie Horde for Plaguebeares ( $70 will net you 6 units of 5 with 10 left over) Dark Elf Cold One Knights for Fiends at 5 for $25 ( $75 nets you 3 units of 5 although you still need 3 more fiends to complete the list) You can get either dire wolves or chaos warhounds to represent fleshounds of khorne ( 10 models for $22). This is probably the cheapest ( and definitely the best) army out there for 2500 points.

http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/03/chaos-demons-ard-boyz-approved.html