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Denmark.

Now, I don't know if this is familiar ground I am treading, but what if the Skorne aren't just a random race? I mean, the Lyoss blew up the middle of Immoren and created the bloodstone marches, whereafter they fled to western Immoren to start over, but maybe some of the Lyoss stayed, losing their gods as the elven gods died or left Caen forever.

Think about it. Deranged, slender creatures with spiky ears and a lack of gods, trying to sustain themselves in a wasteland created by elves, who where also slender and pale creatures with spiky ears.

Could the Lyoss have become the Skorne?
   
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No.

Skorne were there at the same time, or bevel before the elves.

Forces of war: retribution describes the early expansion of lyoss as pushing back human and skorne invaders. In other words, they were already there!


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The Skorne were around when Lyoss was at its peak. The Lyossans attempted to civilize them many times, but the Skorne would have none of it.

After Lyoss exploded, the Skorne hounded the survivors. Then eventually built their own civilization, prior to that they were nomadic. The survivors of Lyoss fled west and created Ios.


The developers have emphatically stated that the Skorne are NOT elves. But there are many physical similarities. Plus they have never stated where the Skorne came from, every other race is accounted for as being created by X god.

My own personal theory is that the Skorne were Elf 1.0, and for some reason the Elven gods decided they were flawed and abandoned them to create the Iosans. All this was long ago forgotten. So the Skorne do have a creation, but they still have no gods.

Alternatively, some people think they might be the only naturally occurring intelligent race on Caen. The native species of the planet, everything else was created by meddling gods.

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Denmark.

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing all that up anyway!
   
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I was always wondering where they came from as well, very interesting to see what people said. They are a cool army... too bad a lot of the models just seem ugly to me.
   
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I generally use two words to describe the Skorne:

Pain Elephants

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 Elector wrote:
I generally use two words to describe the Skorne:

Pain Elephants


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You mean the People for Enragement and Total Abuse of animals?

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 Surtur wrote:
 Elector wrote:
I generally use two words to describe the Skorne:

Pain Elephants


PETA haters


It's called PETT in Caen:


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The Skorne really aren't all that slender -- no more so than any other desert dwelling culture that is unlikely to accumulate any real amount of body fat due to the lack of resources in their environment (Rasheth excepted as he's more like a merchant prince than a warrior). There are examples of extremely large/stout Skorne in the fluff and game. Xerxis, Hexeris, and most Cataphracts are universally described as very large and powerfully built.

To me they've always seemed like cousins to the Lyossan/Iosan elves that they're currently warring against. They were barbarians as far as the elves are concerned, both then and now.

Skorne have also struck me as the closest thing to an 'Orc' that the WM/H universe gets. They're related, in some way, to elves. They're very militaristic and prone to pain/violence. They have a specific grudge against the elves (it's the elves' fault that the eastern side of the continent is a wasteland, and that's the home of the Skorne). At the same time they're a lot deeper than that with the psuedo-Bushido and the Persian stylings.

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 Platuan4th wrote:



It's called PETT in Caen:



Can I steal that. My local group NEEDS to see that image.
   
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Sure? It's not mine, it's something PP did themselves when they released the Agonizer because people were in an uproar over tortured fictional animal babies. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth and people swearing to ragequit Skorne over it. Some people even swearing they were quitting the game altogether because it was supporting animal cruelty.

I wish they still sold the shirts and buttons.

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I still prefer the local PETFAB (People for the Ethical Treatment of Fictional Animal Babies) variant. And then I proceeded to make my own little Agonizer herd. I think I'm up to three (techncially four) of them now.
   
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Denmark.

 CIsaac wrote:
The Skorne really aren't all that slender -- no more so than any other desert dwelling culture that is unlikely to accumulate any real amount of body fat due to the lack of resources in their environment (Rasheth excepted as he's more like a merchant prince than a warrior). There are examples of extremely large/stout Skorne in the fluff and game. Xerxis, Hexeris, and most Cataphracts are universally described as very large and powerfully built.

To me they've always seemed like cousins to the Lyossan/Iosan elves that they're currently warring against. They were barbarians as far as the elves are concerned, both then and now.

Skorne have also struck me as the closest thing to an 'Orc' that the WM/H universe gets. They're related, in some way, to elves. They're very militaristic and prone to pain/violence. They have a specific grudge against the elves (it's the elves' fault that the eastern side of the continent is a wasteland, and that's the home of the Skorne). At the same time they're a lot deeper than that with the psuedo-Bushido and the Persian stylings.


Though they might seem persian at first glance, that couldn't be more wrong. The Persian Empire where actually a pretty nice place to live, and if you were counquered by them, you get to keep your lifestyle, as long as it didn't go against the law. Slaves were uncommon and usually only used by the cultures who used slaves before they became a part of the Empire. It was ruled by a High King, who then again ruled the other Kings of the many countries of the Empire, but those were to be elcted or chosen any way they saw fit - only the High King was really a true king. Life in the Persian Empire was pretty nice - It was pretty easy to become a true citizen of the Empire (Only men with property, who were born in the city where true citizens of Athens, for example - they were also the only ones who could participate in the democracy), and women were treated almost like men - they could have property, didn't need to be under a man, could even become a soldier, all stuff people from Athens couldn't do.

And though the visuel part of the army seem very persian, remember that the persians wasn't much different from the greece at the time - No turbans, masks, curved swords and gold.

Please. Don't believe what 300 wants you to believe. I am a student of ancient greek and latin, and I have come to realize that the persians wasn't bad guys - Greece was.

/rant off
   
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 The Wise Dane wrote:
 CIsaac wrote:
The Skorne really aren't all that slender -- no more so than any other desert dwelling culture that is unlikely to accumulate any real amount of body fat due to the lack of resources in their environment (Rasheth excepted as he's more like a merchant prince than a warrior). There are examples of extremely large/stout Skorne in the fluff and game. Xerxis, Hexeris, and most Cataphracts are universally described as very large and powerfully built.

To me they've always seemed like cousins to the Lyossan/Iosan elves that they're currently warring against. They were barbarians as far as the elves are concerned, both then and now.

Skorne have also struck me as the closest thing to an 'Orc' that the WM/H universe gets. They're related, in some way, to elves. They're very militaristic and prone to pain/violence. They have a specific grudge against the elves (it's the elves' fault that the eastern side of the continent is a wasteland, and that's the home of the Skorne). At the same time they're a lot deeper than that with the psuedo-Bushido and the Persian stylings.


Though they might seem persian at first glance, that couldn't be more wrong. The Persian Empire where actually a pretty nice place to live, and if you were counquered by them, you get to keep your lifestyle, as long as it didn't go against the law. Slaves were uncommon and usually only used by the cultures who used slaves before they became a part of the Empire. It was ruled by a High King, who then again ruled the other Kings of the many countries of the Empire, but those were to be elcted or chosen any way they saw fit - only the High King was really a true king. Life in the Persian Empire was pretty nice - It was pretty easy to become a true citizen of the Empire (Only men with property, who were born in the city where true citizens of Athens, for example - they were also the only ones who could participate in the democracy), and women were treated almost like men - they could have property, didn't need to be under a man, could even become a soldier, all stuff people from Athens couldn't do.

And though the visuel part of the army seem very persian, remember that the persians wasn't much different from the greece at the time - No turbans, masks, curved swords and gold.

Please. Don't believe what 300 wants you to believe. I am a student of ancient greek and latin, and I have come to realize that the persians wasn't bad guys - Greece was.

/rant off


Hence my use of the word "stylings", which is meant to only reference how they look.

I was referencing the vague visual aesthetic they imply, not the societal structure they maintain.

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 CIsaac wrote:

Skorne have also struck me as the closest thing to an 'Orc' that the WM/H universe gets. They're related, in some way, to elves. They're very militaristic and prone to pain/violence. They have a specific grudge against the elves (it's the elves' fault that the eastern side of the continent is a wasteland, and that's the home of the Skorne). At the same time they're a lot deeper than that with the psuedo-Bushido and the Persian stylings.


To be fair, the traditional Tolkien view of orcs (ie twisted elves) is best conveyed by the Nyss in pp's setting (blighted twisted elves).

I did ask ages ago why there were no orcs in the setting:
http://privateerpressforums.com/archive/index.php/t-61314.html?s=f43894ac15773417a77e15469ddc9edd

The main writer - Doug SeaCat chipped in and said while they didn't include a lot of fantasy races, the skorne did fulfil a lot of the niche traditionally held by orcs - highly militarised society, invading army etc. it's also of note that farrow are similar to orcs in a lot of ways too - the joke is the iron kingdoms don't have Ork, they have pork.

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Denmark.

 CIsaac wrote:
 The Wise Dane wrote:
 CIsaac wrote:
The Skorne really aren't all that slender -- no more so than any other desert dwelling culture that is unlikely to accumulate any real amount of body fat due to the lack of resources in their environment (Rasheth excepted as he's more like a merchant prince than a warrior). There are examples of extremely large/stout Skorne in the fluff and game. Xerxis, Hexeris, and most Cataphracts are universally described as very large and powerfully built.

To me they've always seemed like cousins to the Lyossan/Iosan elves that they're currently warring against. They were barbarians as far as the elves are concerned, both then and now.

Skorne have also struck me as the closest thing to an 'Orc' that the WM/H universe gets. They're related, in some way, to elves. They're very militaristic and prone to pain/violence. They have a specific grudge against the elves (it's the elves' fault that the eastern side of the continent is a wasteland, and that's the home of the Skorne). At the same time they're a lot deeper than that with the psuedo-Bushido and the Persian stylings.


Though they might seem persian at first glance, that couldn't be more wrong. The Persian Empire where actually a pretty nice place to live, and if you were counquered by them, you get to keep your lifestyle, as long as it didn't go against the law. Slaves were uncommon and usually only used by the cultures who used slaves before they became a part of the Empire. It was ruled by a High King, who then again ruled the other Kings of the many countries of the Empire, but those were to be elcted or chosen any way they saw fit - only the High King was really a true king. Life in the Persian Empire was pretty nice - It was pretty easy to become a true citizen of the Empire (Only men with property, who were born in the city where true citizens of Athens, for example - they were also the only ones who could participate in the democracy), and women were treated almost like men - they could have property, didn't need to be under a man, could even become a soldier, all stuff people from Athens couldn't do.

And though the visuel part of the army seem very persian, remember that the persians wasn't much different from the greece at the time - No turbans, masks, curved swords and gold.

Please. Don't believe what 300 wants you to believe. I am a student of ancient greek and latin, and I have come to realize that the persians wasn't bad guys - Greece was.

/rant off


Hence my use of the word "stylings", which is meant to only reference how they look.

I was referencing the vague visual aesthetic they imply, not the societal structure they maintain.

You are completely right - I had just come home from the cinema after watching 300: Rise of an Empire, and I don't know why, but I had a vague feeling it would suck like the first one. It did though, and so I needed to vent some steam - sorry that you became the recipient!


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Deadnight wrote:
 CIsaac wrote:

Skorne have also struck me as the closest thing to an 'Orc' that the WM/H universe gets. They're related, in some way, to elves. They're very militaristic and prone to pain/violence. They have a specific grudge against the elves (it's the elves' fault that the eastern side of the continent is a wasteland, and that's the home of the Skorne). At the same time they're a lot deeper than that with the psuedo-Bushido and the Persian stylings.


To be fair, the traditional Tolkien view of orcs (ie twisted elves) is best conveyed by the Nyss in pp's setting (blighted twisted elves).

I did ask ages ago why there were no orcs in the setting:
http://privateerpressforums.com/archive/index.php/t-61314.html?s=f43894ac15773417a77e15469ddc9edd

The main writer - Doug SeaCat chipped in and said while they didn't include a lot of fantasy races, the skorne did fulfil a lot of the niche traditionally held by orcs - highly militarised society, invading army etc. it's also of note that farrow are similar to orcs in a lot of ways too - the joke is the iron kingdoms don't have Ork, they have pork.


The Bogrin, the gobbers larger cousin seems much like traditional orks to me - They are more savage and warlike than their smaller fellows, and don't take kindly to civilization. The first version of the Iron Kingdom RPG let you play Bogrin, but they were later removed, because they were so rare and generally one-sided.

Farrow are the true porky orkies, though.

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 The Wise Dane wrote:


The Bogrin, the gobbers larger cousin seems much like traditional orks to me - They are more savage and warlike than their smaller fellows, and don't take kindly to civilization. The first version of the Iron Kingdom RPG let you play Bogrin, but they were later removed, because they were so rare and generally one-sided.

Farrow are the true porky orkies, though.


I have all the d20 material.

Bogrin are 'hick gobbers'. They're larger than their urban cousins, but when those cousins are the size of a small child, that doesn't really count for much. Gobblers were actually envisioned as a hybrid race to cover goblins, gnomes, hobbits/halflings etc. as mentioned by pp's lead writer, a lot if featured often associated with orcs were wrapped up into the skorne.

Piggies are awesome though.

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Denmark.

Deadnight wrote:
 The Wise Dane wrote:


The Bogrin, the gobbers larger cousin seems much like traditional orks to me - They are more savage and warlike than their smaller fellows, and don't take kindly to civilization. The first version of the Iron Kingdom RPG let you play Bogrin, but they were later removed, because they were so rare and generally one-sided.

Farrow are the true porky orkies, though.


I have all the d20 material.

Bogrin are 'hick gobbers'. They're larger than their urban cousins, but when those cousins are the size of a small child, that doesn't really count for much. Gobblers were actually envisioned as a hybrid race to cover goblins, gnomes, hobbits/halflings etc. as mentioned by pp's lead writer, a lot if featured often associated with orcs were wrapped up into the skorne.

Piggies are awesome though.

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