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Ex-GW sculptors Perry Brothers are releasing their War of the Roses Men-at-Arms plastic box set by the end of August. They're taking pre-orders now and they also have a special offer shown below:





Some other photos of the foot Knights/Men-at-Arms below:




I'm personally excited for this since they'll be swelling the ranks of my fantasy human army. That's a lot of armored infantry: 38 in a box for 20GBP is always a steal.

Amazing as always!

Also really digging the cover art, gives me a good old fashioned model kit vibe.

Very cool; if I played Fantasy these would be front and centre in my army.

Well, looks like my Empire will finally be getting some Greatswords.

38 for 20 Pounds? Oh yes, I think my Empire are getting a make over. What was that? A horde of Greatswords? Yessah!

I'm assuming these are closer to their GW LotR scale than Fantasy.

They look great regardless. Do they do their own Historical or Fantasy rulesets, or perhaps suggest ones?

Oh yeah. What I've been waiting for for ages now. And I've always loved those visored sallets!

Finally, Reiksguard on foot

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm assuming these are closer to their GW LotR scale than Fantasy.

They look great regardless. Do they do their own Historical or Fantasy rulesets, or perhaps suggest ones?

Perry 28's are definitely larger than LOTR but not as fat as Warhammer figs. In other words, they look fine when mixed in, unless you really really want your entire army to have hamfists and melonheads.

I personally use Hail Caesar and Kings of War for historicals (pre gunpowder). Both work wonderfully for huge huge battles.

I don't play historicals, but those are pretty!

 judgedoug wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm assuming these are closer to their GW LotR scale than Fantasy.

They look great regardless. Do they do their own Historical or Fantasy rulesets, or perhaps suggest ones?

Perry 28's are definitely larger than LOTR but not as fat as Warhammer figs. In other words, they look fine when mixed in, unless you really really want your entire army to have hamfists and melonheads.

I do not want that, so these look to be an excellent 'counts as' option - I can wait to get a whole bunch!

I can practically hear the "chunk, chunk" of a crossbow loading. Time to fire WotR back up...

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm assuming these are closer to their GW LotR scale than Fantasy.

They look great regardless. Do they do their own Historical or Fantasy rulesets, or perhaps suggest ones?

In terms of anatomy, yes. In terms of size, LotR is 25mm and these are 28mm. So they're a little it larger but not much.

Most historical manufacturers don't produce their own rules. There are a lot of rules floating around and you can switch to a new rulesset without changing models. That's how historicals roll.

For historicals there's Hail Caesar and Saga, to name a few. I mainly use Kings of War (the medieval version) and Kings of War (the official version, so I can pit them against undead and orcs). There's also no stopping you from using WHFB rules.

If you are looking for rules for Historicals there are two or three threads in the Historicals forum that survey the market and make recommendations.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/599284.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/572388.page

Right now I am purring like a walrus!

(Don't ask... but it is a happy sound. )

The Auld Grump

Too late to use with the new Saga expansion I suppose? Then again there was those smaller wars that took place after the major Crusades. In any case those are some nice models, and its good to see an improvement over the earlier lines the brothers made. Damn, some times you just see such nice models and want to buy them even though you'll probably never use them. I'm surprised that there's a need to have 38 armoured warriors in one game, though I'll put that down to my lack of knowledge of the period (what really, there was entire units of guys geared up like this fighting at one time. Put that down to the amount of cash being thrown about then I suppose).

I just bought a bunch of minatures for my empire.....looks like im going to have a MASSIVE empire infantry army now

Let the Game of Thrones projects continue!

Really wish these came with an option of HW&S

Hmmm.....wish they were 28mm/heroic scale. Would love to use them for Inquistor crusaders or even Empire. Would look horrible on the table next to Citadel mini's.

MultiDyls wrote:
Really wish these came with an option of HW&S

These are for a historical period where the shield was mostly obsolete due to thick plate armor overriding the need to add a heavy shield to an already heavy kit while only gaining a few inches of defensive capability.

Bleh to you and your historical accuracy!

Those figures do look damn nice though. If I were ever inclined to build an actual fantasy army that wasn't composed entirely of Gnolls, Wolfmen, or Undead, I'd be using these guys.

Now, if they could just branch out a bit and start doing funky Dark Souls style armored guys as well. Then I'd be truly set.

These are awesome, I will start a project just to use them, probably something game of thrones related.

Something like these, perhaps?




I will also be using these for my Lannister army. Right now it's extremely lacking in heavy infantry and these will fit just fine.

As for wanting to have shields on them, you can always get separate shields and damn historical accuracy. I believe Fireforge has extra Templar shields on them. If you're using them for Fantasy no one's gonna stop you (and a lot will even encourage you!) to mix and match from different products.

And I would prefer if they'd stay with the proportions they do right now instead of heroic proportions. Too much of that in the market already, and if you're aiming for realism (since they are still first and foremost historical models), heroic scale isn't really the way to go.


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And no release dates for these yet, but for their WotR line Perry is planning on adding a light cavalry plastic box set:



And they're also making a box set for English infantry for their Agincourt to Orleans line. Perfect to mix and match with their WotR mercenary and Bows and Bills boxes, if you want your bowmen to look more peasant-y by having older fashioned gear, I guess? If these were released the number of archers in my army would swell pretty damn well (wow that rhymes!).

Damn. Is it wrong to want to be able to field an army corresponding to every possible year of (recorded) human history?

As long as you don't try to cover every culture or nation, that's actually doable. The key is to not get bogged down in minutia and pick miniatures that work for a wide array of times. Like for the dark ages you can have warriors with spear and round shields and simple clothes and helmets cover like 600 years. With only around 5000 years to cover, you could probably do less than a dozen armies. When you get to the 20th century, there's nothing stopping you from picking forces that didn't change their uniforms and weapons much. African militia with AK47s can span 40 years or more, for example.

An Old/Middle Kingdom Egyptian army covers about 3,000 to 1,500 B.C. for example. The only change was the spread of more metal to replace stone for weapons, not necessarily noticeable for mass infantry even at 28mm scale.

Add chariots, khopeshmen and Sherden to make it into a New Kingdom army and cover another 500 years.

Or if you play Fantasy, you can mix and match. Dark Age warriors can represent peasant levies which you can field alongside knights in full plate, for example.

Another thing to consider is that most Ancient and Mediaeval rules let you field armies from any time and location against each other.

Obviously it isn't realistic, but it usually works all right as a game and is pretty standard in competitions.

If you like the Perry WoTR figures, make an army and you can fight against Imperial Romans, Incas, Vikings, and so on.

General Hobbs wrote:


Hmmm.....wish they were 28mm/heroic scale. Would love to use them for Inquistor crusaders or even Empire. Would look horrible on the table next to Citadel mini's.

Is this really the case?

Because if it is, that's a bummer, and this guy here:

namiel wrote:I just bought a bunch of minatures for my empire.....looks like im going to have a MASSIVE empire infantry army now

might be pretty upset.

Unless he's using ONLY Perry Miniatures for his WFB Empire army?

But that seems hard to do, given all the 'wacky' things you'd also want in an Empire army...