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now that we have a solid sampling of their core units and rules, do you guys see anything yet that alters the meta? To me they seem a little stronger against Xenos and GEQ than PA forces, so maybe it will continue the slow move towards a balance between IoM and Xenos?

I could see a few more sniper lists or atleast included squads with the Galvanic Rifles that punish the hidden power fists. No chance for Look Out Sir in a unit that actually does REAL damage and the sniper shot is just a bonus. Other than that, nothing is really game changing from what I'm seeing. The Cognis ability gives some pseudo Fast/Skyfire and other snap shot reasons but again, not game changing.

Well, I'll say this, I certainly don't see the point of Scions or DKoK Grenadiers anymore

That said, the cost of their Plasma Gun equivalent is insane

 Vaktathi wrote:
Well, I'll say this, I certainly don't see the point of Scions or DKoK Grenadiers anymore

That said, the cost of their Plasma Gun equivalent is insane

Well it is A3 and 18"...Though yeah it's expensive.

I'm just amused by how many Tasers are in the army though, be like a fancy light show every time the Skitarri fight.

Though disappointed by lack of dedicated melee unit so far, though I think the Scions still have the fact that they have Orders and vehicles/transports.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Well, I'll say this, I certainly don't see the point of Scions or DKoK Grenadiers anymore

That said, the cost of their Plasma Gun equivalent is insane

They have AP3 lasgun too?

I do see them being very similar to many IG options. Longer range special weapon veterans without a flyer (for now). Their MSU looks solid, and they certainly will perform well in maelstrom games with all those walkers.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Well, I'll say this, I certainly don't see the point of Scions or DKoK Grenadiers anymore

That said, the cost of their Plasma Gun equivalent is insane

They have AP3 lasgun too?

S4 AP4 with Pulse Rifle ranges and Precision Shots, and 3 specials at 10 strong, along with higher Ld, lots of Ld boosters, and FNP 6+, and they're cheaper than Scions/Grenadiers.

I never get anything out of that AP3 anyway, especially at S3 and 9" for double-tap

I'm not impressed so far, those walkers are just war walkers and no one takes them because a light breeze murders them, as for the infantry they are short ranged and gooey.

I'm seeing a foot slogging seriously strong short ranged army with okay durability.

Until we see the orders, the HQ, elites, relics and warlord traits Im not all that worried about this.

I also think its not gonna be clear where the army stands until we see the rest of the info.

Imagine seeing Imperial guard troops for the first time with just their stats and cost. Pretty pathetic right? Add to that the order system, buffs by priests/psykers/ warlord traits and of course support by the rest of the codex, and suddenly you have a resilient, hard-hitting blob that defies expectations.

So I think until the final codex is out and we have all the units revealed things will be uncertain.

One thing I love is that, if they don't purchase CC weapons, tau can match them in melee.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
One thing I love is that, if they don't purchase CC weapons, tau can match them in melee.

They have 6+ FNP and one of them lowers Tau Toughness to T2.

As well as WS3.

I find it's the initiative that hurts me the most generally.

Tau are int 2 the Skitarii are int 3.

I thought tau were int3, and the base was 4... Just me being forgetful again.

AV 11 walkers with 2 HP? I'll pass. I sold all my dreads after 20-25 games of 7th where they never got their points back before blowing up no matter how I played them. Are these going to be the harlequins of the Imperium; cool models that get blown off the table by a light breeze?

That was the Scion job, their flyer was their most armored unit.

 Toofast wrote:
AV 11 walkers with 2 HP? I'll pass. I sold all my dreads after 20-25 games of 7th where they never got their points back before blowing up no matter how I played them. Are these going to be the harlequins of the Imperium; cool models that get blown off the table by a light breeze?

I look at the walkers and I see basicly a better sentinal.

 Toofast wrote:
AV 11 walkers with 2 HP? I'll pass. I sold all my dreads after 20-25 games of 7th where they never got their points back before blowing up no matter how I played them. Are these going to be the harlequins of the Imperium; cool models that get blown off the table by a light breeze?

Dreadnoughts are bad because they're 100-120 pts

The skatari walkers are 45-55 points. That is cheap

45-55 points that will be gone before it kills anything against a competent opponent. I just don't see much competitive potential here. Hopefully the rest of their stuff will be better. If not I'll just stick to forge world mechanicum. The models look better and are much more powerful on the tabletop.

Good. I'd be glad to have my opponent waste shooting on such a cheap unit

I just hope there is at least 1 heavy armor type walker that is built to slug it out with other tanks. Now I don't want a Leman Russ with Legs. Perhaps something more mobile with slightly less firepower with similar armor.

Of the things shown for the walkers, did anyone expect a Skitarri primed and ready to joust things with a gigantic taser on what amounts to a sentinel?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Of the things shown for the walkers, did anyone expect a Skitarri primed and ready to joust things with a gigantic taser on what amounts to a sentinel?

I will be honest. I didn't expect Chicken-Walker Robot Jousting.

Yes its all grimdark and what-not but it just doesn't strike me as...... Ad Mech.....

I would expect something more akin to a guy strapped (through some extreame bionics and such) into the machine with it laden with guns and it goes Terminator on the enemy, relentlessly hunting them in a cold, efficient manner.



ONwards my Steed!




To battle for the Omnissiah!!






Wait a second.....

 Engine of War wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Of the things shown for the walkers, did anyone expect a Skitarri primed and ready to joust things with a gigantic taser on what amounts to a sentinel?

I will be honest. I didn't expect Chicken-Walker Robot Jousting.

Yes its all grimdark and what-not but it just doesn't strike me as...... Ad Mech.....

I would expect something more akin to a guy strapped (through some extreame bionics and such) into the machine with it laden with guns and it goes Terminator on the enemy, relentlessly hunting them in a cold, efficient manner.

Well these are Skitarri, they do most of the major heavy lifting and one could expect that the Taser walkers are built and designed to capture large things, they do come on plenty of explorator fleets and overall is designed to protect their betters, I suppose they could be designed for various things in order to provide help for their leaders.

Yeah I want DR. Octopus style super tentacle robed heartless cold mechanical guys! Still pumped for Admech though.

One thing to remember is Skiratii are most often deployed to battle zones in support of the titan legions. the ironstrider and dragoon are noted as being part of their scout force.

Thus I imagine These

riding as outriders for...
these


so yes go ahead and waste your firepower on my ironstriders and dragoons. meanwhile the titan I'm escorting is ripping you apart

While the design of those walkers are, in my opinion, horrible, they are cheap and can be in 5-man squads. Seems an interesting option.

Ah, and they get +3" to move/charge/run. awesomesauce!

Anyways, the things that got my attention were the Arc weapons (haywire galore) and Taser ('oomies' tesla'). If Skitarii get any kind of good transports, I could leave my melta at home

Well am not the one to go all out feminist in a hobby dominated by man, but those walker models are sexist or what. Unless the "horses" are ex male balet dancers then it is all ok.

Also thanks GW for kind of a fixing my army. Maybe ill counts as my IG as mechanicus. I even have enough of the IG the walkers to do that. Got over 16 from friend that left the game.

How the flying feth is the walker SEXIST?!

I mean, seriously. HOW?

There is nothing about it that is gender-related. I'm not even sure the soldiers HAVE genders considering they are admech and all.

 BoomWolf wrote:
How the flying feth is the walker SEXIST?!

I mean, seriously. HOW?

There is nothing about it that is gender-related. I'm not even sure the soldiers HAVE genders considering they are admech and all.

Troll-ololol?

Actually, I wonder if he's referring to the feet on it? Some dummy might think that they're supposed to resemble heels, which they obviously don't since we can see that they go flat when the foot is all the way on the ground. It might be an attempted cross-reference to the whole "Zero Suit Samus has rocket heels now for some unfathomable reason", which actually was kind of sexist.