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I have looked at there history and have been wondering what is really going on? To most it just seems like a new army for GW to throw into the shop but is it really that simple?

Of course the people of Mars are essential to the survival of the Imperium and the Human race in hole but this hole thing seems odd. The Machine Spirit is a god as the people of Mars say but if you look into it and think about it for days like I have you come to think. Could the so called Machine spirit be one of the last AIs? I mean its not impossible the machine spirit has the abillity to control almost every vehicle and device that the Imperium has and it is said the Machine spirit can do everything the normal crew of any vehicle can do.

Now on to the Adeptus Mechinicus they have only recently started to show there own warriors (Other then every vehicle the Imperium has) It has gotten me thinking what are the true intentions of the people of Mars? If the Machine spirit truly is a code name for one of the last AIs could it mean the sudden appearance of the Mars armies are there for more then protecting the Imperium?

We know that some of the top members of the Inquisition think the Emperor can never come back but if you read enough you will learn they have done more then that some have even done things to halt the return of the Emperor because they know he will not stand for them. (If you want to know more about this look up the Inquisition and read there history and watch for the Resurrectionists.

Are the people of mars just trying to protect the Imperium? or are they preparing for war?

I would love to hear your thoughts on this and see what you think about all I have said.

XTurnerX wrote:
I have looked at there history and have been wondering what is really going on? To most it just seems like a new army for GW to throw into the shop but is it really that simple?

Of course the people of Mars are essential to the survival of the Imperium and the Human race in hole but this hole thing seems odd. The Machine Spirit is a god as the people of Mars say but if you look into it and think about it for days like I have you come to think. Could the so called Machine spirit be one of the last AIs? I mean its not impossible the machine spirit has the abillity to control almost every vehicle and device that the Imperium has and it is said the Machine spirit can do everything the normal crew of any vehicle can do.

Machine spirits are AI, but a limited AI. Fully functional AI is banned due to the war with Iron Men that destroyed the pervious human empire.

XTurnerX wrote:

Now on to the Adeptus Mechinicus they have only recently started to show there own warriors (Other then every vehicle the Imperium has) It has gotten me thinking what are the true intentions of the people of Mars? If the Machine spirit truly is a code name for one of the last AIs could it mean the sudden appearance of the Mars armies are there for more then protecting the Imperium?

What do you mean by recently. The Admech have been fielding armies since at least 25k. They were crucial in the great crusade. They fought in the HH on both sides, and they have been involved in every major engadgement humanity has faced till the 41st millenium. Their models are just showing up because GW had difficulty making plastic robes.

XTurnerX wrote:

We know that some of the top members of the Inquisition think the Emperor can never come back but if you read enough you will learn they have done more then that some have even done things to halt the return of the Emperor because they know he will not stand for them. (If you want to know more about this look up the Inquisition and read there history and watch for the Resurrectionists.

Are the people of mars just trying to protect the Imperium? or are they preparing for war?

I would love to hear your thoughts on this and see what you think about all I have said.

The ad mech is a twin empire in alliance with the IoM. Their interests are aligned and they believe the emporer is their god. If their interests didnt align, well they would leave. Neither side can survive without the other, so their interests continue to align.

Its easy to confuse the Machine Spirit with the Machine God.

The Machine God is the subject of belief. It's like the Christian God, except machine-y. Some people theorise that it's actually the C'tan, Dragon, who is sealed beneath the Noctis Labyrinth.on Mars.

The Machine Spirit - or rather, Machine Spirits - are the souls of the technology created by the Mechanicum. Some Machine Spirits, such as the ones of Land Raiders and Cognis weapon systems, are actual AIs based off human brains (it might be more accurate to call them "co-opted intelligences", as they aren't truly artificial, merely repurposed). The majority of Machine Spirits, such as those in bolters and lasguns, are simply animistic manifestations - which is to say, there may or may not be anything there, its either superstition (to a rationalist mind) or the device really does have a soul attached to it (to the religious mind).

Nobody in 40k is a rationalist. Religion has the entire Imperium deeply in its grip.

As far as the Skitarii - the militant arm of the Mechanicum - are concerned, they've been around forever, defending Forge Worlds, guarding Titans and going on Crusades to retake lost Forge Worlds, hunt Archeotech and chase down rumours of STCs.

This is slightly muddied by the recent codices - technically, the "Skitarii codex" is actually Skitarii Vanguards, a specialist unit within the Skitarii. The Cult Mechanicus codex also features Skitarii units - the Kataphron - but the Electro-Priests, while popular, are a semi-obscure cult within the Mechanicum. Presumably, this is why it can be called "Cult Mechanicum".

As for the eventual goals of Mars? Nobody can say. Very little has been written about the current Fabricator General, but in the past, the interests of the Adeptus Mechanicum have basically been the same as that of the Imperium: Fight. Survive. Expand.

Luckily for the Imperium, a significant portion of the Cult Mechanicum believes the Emperor to be the mortal incarnation of the Omnissiah - as Jesus is to God, the Emperor is to the Machine God. Child and mortal incarnation.

Spoiler alert

The topic of who the machine god is a hotly contested subject during the pre heresy era.

The loyal mechanicum followers believe the Emperor was the machine god because of his ability to create technology and manipulate them from great distances.

The power of the machine spirit rule is technically the emperor himself taking g control of a gun and shooting it at something.

You're looking for watsonian answers to a doylist situation.

 Kain wrote:
You're looking for watsonian answers to a doylist situation.

Exactly. The reason- the only reason- AM were released was for GW to generate sales. Which is fine, more power to them. As time has gone on, they've plundered more and more of their old lore looking for ideas for new releases. The Adeptus Mechanicus were just the most ripe back-faction. There are rumors of Genestealer cults in the future, and I imagine that we'll see Sisters released...someday (right when they're debating between them and Squats).

Beyond that, there is no greater thought process at GW, certainly not about lore.